The Gipper Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 It is not too early for this, I don't think. So perhaps each week we can keep up with this. Here are my Top Ten Preseason Heisman Favorites...and then some one or two who have nudged their way in. Alphabetically: JT Barrett. QB Ohio State May have had the best day of the contenders: 6 passing TDs, 1 running, almost 400 yards Bowling Green will be MAC contenders, so this is impressive Nick Chubb. RB Georgia excellent 222 rushing yards vs good N. Carolina team Dalvin Cook. RB FSU 91 rushing, 101 receiving yards in comeback win vs. Ole Miss (but may have been outshined by his QB) Leonard Fournette RB LSU 138 rush yards vs. tough Wisconsin defense. But team losing does not help. Royce Freeman. RB Oregon. Mediocre 87 rushing yards vs. subpar opponent, UC-Davis Chad Kelley. QB Ole Miss 313 yards and 4 TDs vs. FSU good, but 3 Ints. contributing to loss hurts Baker Mayfield. QB Oklahoma 323 yards and 2 TDs vs. Houston. But outshone by outside candidate Greg Ward of Houston Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford. 126 rush yards 2 Tds vs. Kansas State. Yeoman performance at best. Seth Russell QB Baylor. 163 passing yards, but 4 TDs vs. inferior competition DeShaun Watson 248 pass yards. 1 TD, 1 INT. May have lost frontrunner status Interlopers into the Race: Lamar Jackson QB Louisville 7 passing TDs, 1 rush TD 286 yards. Greg Ward Jr. QB Houston. Leads upset vs. #3 Oklahoma Deondre Francois QB FSU. 419 pass yards, 2 TDs, 59 rush yards in comeback win vs. Ole Miss. Top 3 performers of the week: Jackson Barrett Chubb in my opinion. Give yours. # I know these are all offensive players. Not sure how to measure defenders, though we should not discount them. Like Myles Garret of TAMU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 A defender won't win unless he plays offense/special teams as well. I'm surprised Meyer kept Barrett in as long as he did. Maybe he just wanted him to get the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 A defender won't win unless he plays offense/special teams as well. I'm surprised Meyer kept Barrett in as long as he did. Maybe he just wanted him to get the stats. It was the middle of the 3rd quarter. And the 2d team scored 3-4 TDs....so it wasn't that bad when he was taken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I'll go on record now....Christian McCaffrey will win the Heisman (barring injury). My opinion, but whether or not he wins it, I would LOVE to see that kid with the Browns when he's in the draft. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Lots of the leaders had so-so games. Will be an interesting race this year. Seems pretty deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Give it four games and I'm sure most of that depth will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Give it four games and I'm sure most of that depth will go away. Its what they do in the really big games that will matter. This coming week is not a week for anyone to distinguish themselves....as a lot of these teams are playing the Little Sisters of the Poor: Houston vs. Lamar Ward Georgia vs. Nichols St.....Chubb FSU vs. Charleston Southern....Cook Clemson vs. Troy....Watson Oklahoma vs. Louisiana-Monroe....Mayfield LSU vs. Jacksonville St.....Fournette Ole Miss vs. Wofford....Kelly A couple may have some tough matchups: Louisville vs. Syracuse....Jackson OSU vs. Tulsa.....Barrett Baylor vs. SMU....Russell Oregon vs. Virginia.....Freeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Heisman Trophy watch after week 2: Barrett 149 pass yards 1 TD, 55 rush yards 2 TDs Watson 292 pass yds, 1 TD Dalvin Cook: 83 rush yards 2 TDs Ward: out with injury Chubb 80 rushing yards, 1 TD Mayfield 244 pass yards 3 TDs Fournette: 2 carries, 1 yard (this is what was in the boxscore I saw on ESPN website) Chad Kelly: 219 pass yards, 3 TDs Seth Russell 261 pass yards 2 TDs McCaffrey did not play (no game) Royce Freeman 207 rush yards 2 TDs Lamar Jackson 411 passing yards 1 TD 199 rush yards 4 TDs The leader of this race so far, in my opinion, is clearly Lamar Jackson. He was one rushing yard short of being the first person ever in D-1 level history to pass for 400+ yards and gain 200 yards rushing. And his effort did not come against those lesser cupcake opponents, it game vs. conference foe Syracuse. So, top 3 this week Lamar Jackson Royce Freeman ??? maybe Baker Mayfield. As far as overall leader, I think Jackson has vaulted himself into that position. Watson is still up there. Barrett I think maintains his spot. Not sure what the deal is with Fournette. He had an ankle sprain that kept him out against a cupcake. It doesn't help. Chubb being held to 80 yards vs. Nichols St. in a close game does not help. These guys fall back a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 This USA Today site basically agrees with me: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/heisman/2016/09/13/heisman-trophy-lamar-jackson-christian-mccaffrey-deshaun-watson-jt-barrett/90294008/ Though, they have McCaffrey in top 5 even though he didn't play. And, they have this RB from San Diego St. up there. A guy that I don't think has otherwise been considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Lamar is definitely in the lead. Kid is a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 21, 2016 Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Peppers is now 5th on some CBS Sports Heisman Watch Lists (6th overall), 5th on SIs list, and 5th on USA Todays list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2016 Peppers is now 5th on some CBS Sports Heisman Watch Lists (6th overall), 5th on SIs list, and 5th on USA Todays list. Without going through all the stats of all the candidates clearly these players had the best games (from a team stand) Lamar Jackson...almost obliterated FSU single handedly. He would have a vast lead at this point. JT Barrett.....responsible for 5 TDs vs. OK. Chubb McCaffrey.....165 rush yards vs. USC Nick Chubb...had a good game vs. decent competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Oh yeah, I'm not saying Peppers is leading or anything. Just that he's getting some buzz. Jackson has to be way out in front right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjp28 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 A defender won't win unless he plays offense/special teams as well. I'm surprised Meyer kept Barrett in as long as he did. Maybe he just wanted him to get the stats. I'm surprised UM kept him in as long as he did in all three games so far, maybe the first two to get ready for OKL and get the very young team ready in general but that third game was way over before UM pulled him. Plus OSU has a bye this week before the B10 and other conferences start for real....serious business time, rah, rah, rah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Oh yeah, I'm not saying Peppers is leading or anything. Just that he's getting some buzz. Jackson has to be way out in front right now. At this point, in the actual voting Peppers may not appear in top ten. Peppers has some kick returns, but OSU DBs Marshon Lattimore and Malik Hooker have been playing better defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 At this point, in the actual voting Peppers may not appear in top ten. Peppers has some kick returns, but OSU DBs Marshon Lattimore and Malik Hooker have been playing better defense. ... Based on what? Your opinion? - why would Peppers be considered 5th by analysts but not in the top ten for voting? - why do you think the OSU DBs are playing better? FYI, Peppers isn't even a DB. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 ... Based on what? Your opinion? Performance. - why would Peppers be considered 5th by analysts but not in the top ten for voting? Analysts are not voters, FYI. While maybe Peppers and other deserve consideration,they won't get it because they play defense - why do you think the OSU DBs are playing better? FYI, Peppers isn't even a DB. Peppers is listed as a safety. Last time I looked a safety was considered a Defensive Back. And OSU players are nabbing lots of Ints., lots over coverage breakups...even some sacks. You know...the things they measure DBs by. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Peppers technically plays LB. You say "performance". Have you even watched a Michigan game? Peppers is currently leading the nation in TFL. Yes, he returned a punt for a TD, but he's being doing a ton on defense. So you just say "performance" without actually knowing what you're talking about I'm guessing. You don't think the CFB analysts know what they're doing on their watchlists? This is just another example of you thinking something based on only your opinion, anecdotal evidence and a lack of facts and then parading it around like It's the truth. You do it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 22, 2016 Report Share Posted September 22, 2016 Peppers was the first player in B1G history to win Defensive POTW and Special Teams POTW in the same week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Peppers technically plays LB. You say "performance". Have you even watched a Michigan game? Peppers is currently leading the nation in TFL. Yes, he returned a punt for a TD, but he's being doing a ton on defense. So you just say "performance" without actually knowing what you're talking about I'm guessing. TFL? Tackles for loss. I was saying performance as a DB. The OSU DBs have been performing outstandingly.(THEY are leading the nation in their appropriate categories) If Peppers is playing LB that may be a different matter. I was talking in terms of interceptions and coverager breakups. It seems that if Peppers is playing LB then he has far more duties to rush the passer and stop the run than he would as a DB. If he is playing LB...then why can't the UM guides list him as that? And, no, I haven't seen but snippets of Michigan games. They have been played at the same time as OSU games....or much better games to watch. I have seen highlights only of Peppers on the recap shows....because I have had better things to do or watch. You don't think the CFB analysts know what they're doing on their watchlists? Perhaps they do...but that does not mean he will get actual Heisman votes. This is just another example of you thinking something based on only your opinion, anecdotal evidence and a lack of facts and then parading it around like It's the truth. You do it a lot. Truth....you have no better idea than I what the fucking "truth" will be. And here are a few truths from years and years of watching Heisman Trophy races, going as far back as when Roger Staubach won it in 1964: It is primarily an offensive position award. Only like one ever primary defensive player won it (your boy Woodson)...and that only because he returned a lot of kicks for TDs. If there are not many viable offensive candidates then a defensive player will get some run. But that is not the case this year. There are at least a half dozen viable offensive Heisman Trophy candidates. Those are actual fucking facts that you may not recognize even if they came up an hit you with a two by for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Peppers was the first player in B1G history to win Defensive POTW and Special Teams POTW in the same week. The only real interest anyone here has in him is if he is a player that the Browns would draft. I may be all for that....if for some reason they decide not to take a QB. Just figure out which fucking position he would play. At 6'1" 208 lbs.....which is what he is listed as....he ain't playing LB in the NFL. I mean, maybe for right now for the interest of the Michigan team playing LB works out. But for his interest in his future pro career.....he should stick to safety. Fair to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'll go on record now....Christian McCaffrey will win the Heisman (barring injury). My opinion, but whether or not he wins it, I would LOVE to see that kid with the Browns when he's in the draft. Mike wasn't touchdown tommy vardel from Stanford ? just say NO to white running backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 a correct reply to my above post could have been "white running backs lives matter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 The only real interest anyone here has in him is if he is a player that the Browns would draft. I may be all for that....if for some reason they decide not to take a QB. Just figure out which fucking position he would play. At 6'1" 208 lbs.....which is what he is listed as....he ain't playing LB in the NFL. I mean, maybe for right now for the interest of the Michigan team playing LB works out. But for his interest in his future pro career.....he should stick to safety. Fair to say? That issue with him playing safety is that his deep range and coverage has been spotty. As it stands I don't see a top 10 caliber safety. The physical gifts are there but that's the least of my concerns at that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 The only real interest anyone here has in him is if he is a player that the Browns would draft. I may be all for that....if for some reason they decide not to take a QB. Just figure out which fucking position he would play. At 6'1" 208 lbs.....which is what he is listed as....he ain't playing LB in the NFL. I mean, maybe for right now for the interest of the Michigan team playing LB works out. But for his interest in his future pro career.....he should stick to safety. Fair to say? If all the weight stuff is correct, Shazier has an inch and 20 lbs on Pepppers. So you're right that he'd probably be a small NFL LB. I've seen him pegged as a SS, which makes a lot of sense. You still need coverage ability, but you're attacking the LOS more. Really it would take a talented, creative DC to get the most out of him in the NFL. Near the end of his time in Green Bay, Woodson was playing every position but DL on the defense (not meaning to make a direct Woodson / Peppers comparison, its just a good example). Nickleback is also become a more important position. So who knows. NFL offenses are getting more spread out, more pass happy. A hybrid space player like Peppers could be huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 That issue with him playing safety is that his deep range and coverage has been spotty. As it stands I don't see a top 10 caliber safety. The physical gifts are there but that's the least of my concerns at that spot. We've asked Peppers to play 3 defensive positions in 3 years (the 1st was CB, and he was hurt most of the year). On top of the special teams and offensive roles. It is a great way to showcase all of his abilities, and he's excelled at pretty much all of them, but it probably isn't the best way to really master certain aspects. If an NFL DC wanted him as a Safety or CB, and he focused on that, I'm guessing he could get much better at the coverage aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Missed a HUGE block on Penn State's fat ass kicker who proceeded to lay out the return man. That was giggle worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Ya, that chubby mother fucker laid a shot on Lewis. I don't think our return team was expecting him to come flying down the field haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Ya, that chubby mother fucker laid a shot on Lewis. I don't think our return team was expecting him to come flying down the field haha I don't think anybody expected that. Big boy has some wheels. Thought it was Chris Farley for a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 If all the weight stuff is correct, Shazier has an inch and 20 lbs on Pepppers. So you're right that he'd probably be a small NFL LB. I've seen him pegged as a SS, which makes a lot of sense. You still need coverage ability, but you're attacking the LOS more. Really it would take a talented, creative DC to get the most out of him in the NFL. Near the end of his time in Green Bay, Woodson was playing every position but DL on the defense (not meaning to make a direct Woodson / Peppers comparison, its just a good example). Nickleback is also become a more important position. So who knows. NFL offenses are getting more spread out, more pass happy. A hybrid space player like Peppers could be huge. So...correct me if I am wrong, but what I am hearing is that this guy may not be all that great of an NFL prospect? That his coverage skills are lacking for a DB....and certainly his size is lacking for a LB. That he is a "tweener"? What about Free Safety? That position has more room to roam generally......and does not always have specific coverage responsibilities? CBS Sport has him rated as the #3 overall prospect, behind Garrett and Watson. Are some of you saying they may be off base? (they list him at SS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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