Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Goff throws off of his back foot. Reminds me of Jake Plummer. Backfoot? Which of the 5 gifs in the article I posted show that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Backfoot? Which of the 5 gifs in the article I posted show that?Not in the gifs but I've seen some highlights. Don't worry man I'm wrong about qb's all the time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I disagree. And to be clear, I like both him and Wentz a lot. I'm deciding if I like them No. 2 overall enough or not. I'll try to find some clips later to show you what I'm talking about, and why it might be an issue. I don't think his arm strength is sub par for the NFL, but it definitely wouldn't be the best. It's definitely better than a Brian Hoyer anyway. How much do you think an NFL conditioning program could improve it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 well just because Jamarcus was #1 overall doesn't mean there was a consensus he would be excellent. Sometimes a guy can go #1 overall and there be very little certainty over what his nfl career will be like. Cam newton was another such guy who went the other way of course... Fair to say....though I don't think it was a case of the Raiders having been considered to have gone of the rails when they picked him. Most if not all draft services had Russell going very very high in the draft the year he came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 The comment concerned TacoCabana clearly relishing his ignorance with an overreliance on "no one can predict" (which ironically happens to be a prediction). If you are eager to share that stance, then I'll gladly lump you in with him. You can lump me in with him....that is fine......because that happens to be the correct thought process in this discussion. Myself... I prefer to argue my own opinion based upon my own observations. Doesn't mean I will be right in any particular case, but overall I like my odds. I may know nothing, but at least I'm working to fill the void. One... do I have to drag out your introductory posts on Manziel again? Not sure what you are talking about with Manziel. I thought we were talking about the QBs available in this draft. You seem to be drifting Snow White. Two... do you realize how your opening undermines everything that follows? Again, not following what you are talking about. I save my opening statements for court. (or maybe you are talking to another person?) My money is still on you being a trolling alt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm drifting? Look at the original post... two replies to two different posts. And you do realize John Snow fucked the person who told him he knew nothing... don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'm drifting? Look at the original post... two replies to two different posts. And you do realize John Snow fucked the person who told him he knew nothing... don't you? When you quote your thread, only your replies come up, so it gets a little lost in translation when you reply to multiple posts. That is why I never do that. And yes, I know about Jon Snow. And no, I am neither a chick nor gay....so I must respectfully decline your offer of sex. Though I did have red hair like Igrett. It has faded with years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't think his arm strength is sub par for the NFL, but it definitely wouldn't be the best. It's definitely better than a Brian Hoyer anyway. How much do you think an NFL conditioning program could improve it? Sure, he's a big kid and could definitely increase in those areas. But I think it's a big gap. Am liking him more in other areas the more I watch, though. He throws with excellent touch. By that, I mean he changes velocity/arch in certain situations, and takes some speed off or adds at appropriate times. Arm is perfectly fine for about 40 yards. Baits/looks off defenders. Ball placement at times seems poor, average mobility, college system (pre-snap, I can't tell very much. Also, I think he'll take a lot of sacks his rookie year) and deep ball are my biggest concerns. Everything else looks tip top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Then we're seeing about the same thing... On mobility... For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure. Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure. Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come. I was thinking Big Ben myself in watching some of that move a bit this way, that way, up a bit, etc. while still focused on receivers. If we are going to take a QB first, then I'm leaning more Goff's way than the other two. Lynch hasn't shown me anything better than late 2nd / early 3rd rounder and I'm a bit prejudiced concerning quality of opponents when it comes between Goff and Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Then we're seeing about the same thing... On mobility... For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure. Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come. By mobility I meant improv/scrambling, athleticism and extending plays looks average (call it the Johnny Grade, but I know you won't lol), maybe even a little above that, to me. Which isn't bad. Because 90% of QBs can't do that well, and very few these days who can't, can play in the NFL. I'd attribute your description and pocket movement to pocket presence. Which is very good, but it's a different grade for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 From everything I've seen and read Goff is the better prospect than Wentz. Dan Brugler of CBS sports compares Wentz to Alex Smith. Not sure that's a good thing. It's Goff at # 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 From everything I've seen and read Goff is the better prospect than Wentz. Dan Brugler of CBS sports compares Wentz to Alex Smith. Not sure that's a good thing. It's Goff at # 2. Try to watch some tape and be able to back up those statements without "this guy said" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 @TonyGrossi Bumped into an ex #Browns player - no names, please - who said he was in company of Jared Goff & Goff was grilling him on playing in Cleve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 By mobility I meant improv/scrambling, athleticism and extending plays looks average (call it the Johnny Grade, but I know you won't lol), maybe even a little above that, to me. Which isn't bad. Because 90% of QBs can't do that well, and very few these days who can't, can play in the NFL. I'd attribute your description and pocket movement to pocket presence. Which is very good, but it's a different grade for me. lol... I can accept "Johnny grade"... just don't try to convince me that Johnny sets the standard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Goff doesn't have a rocket arm, but that's fine by me. As long as he can make progressions, deliver the ball accurately and avoid pressure in the pocket, I'm good. Rocket arms fail far more often than rocket minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Then we're seeing about the same thing... On mobility... For scrambling and running, whether it be for his life or a first down, I won't quibble with "average", but it's his movement inside the pocket that impresses the hell out of me. He just glides to safety seemingly without ever actually looking at the pressure. Not only is his pocket movement not average IMO, I've been hard pressed to come up with a comparable. Big Ben may be as close as I can come. This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 This jumped out to me too. That pocket presence is filthy. I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 I think everyone that's watched him comes away with some things, maybe different, but every single person has noted his pocket presence. It's like he's gliding away from the pressure. Blitzing linebackers get sidestepped like nothing. Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yep-there was that one play in the highlights where the blitzer flashes by him at 100 mph, but something he does just lets the guy go right by while he briefly reloads and sends the ball to his receiver, never seeming to take his eyes off looking downfield. Pretty damn amazing. Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion... Like watching a bullfighter sidestep the bull with nothing but a football in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Is this Camp Peeta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Think I'm thinking of the same play - against some team in purple? I got misty eyed, envisaging that being CJ Mosley or someone being neatly sidestepped and he makes the completion... One of the Gifs in here: http://insidethestar.com/dallas-cowboys-draft-jared-goff-film-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gftChris Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 One of the Gifs in here: http://insidethestar.com/dallas-cowboys-draft-jared-goff-film-review/ Yep, that's the one I was thinking of. Not purple then. UCLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/4/10921004/jared-goff-was-reportedly-asking-browns-players-what-cleveland-is-like?_ga=1.177749029.1812942263.1403652396 BB here's one for you. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/2/4/10921004/jared-goff-was-reportedly-asking-browns-players-what-cleveland-is-like?_ga=1.177749029.1812942263.1403652396 BB here's one for you. WSS Hormel Chili-no beans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Hormel Chili-no beans? I just went to a restaurant for lunch today. The diner had TVs going and Michael Simon was on ABC with some other chefs and they were having a Chili Cookoff associated with the Super Bowl. They had some NFL players in their as judges. I know Nick Mangold was one...not sure who the others were. Simon had on a Browns #55 jersey. I guess that is Alex Mack's jersey. Anyway, he won...and the chili looked good so that is what I ordered for lunch......and The Magic City Diner has some pretty good Chili!. ( but it did have beans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 He looks skinny. Like Paul McDonald. Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 He looks skinny. Like Paul McDonald. Z Just freeking great. Just what we need, another Paul McDonald. You are one depression inducing mother fucker Zombo. Could you not at least have said "he looks skinny....like Brian Sipe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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