TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 In my mind's eye Spence looks so good in Kruger's old role... Problem being that Spence will not be there by the time we take our 2nd pick. My bet is somewhere between 9 and 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Problem being that Spence will not be there by the time we take our 2nd pick. My bet is somewhere between 9 and 16. Certainly his Senior Bowl showing has set that kind of rise in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Certainly his Senior Bowl showing has set that kind of rise in motion. Yep-but look who WalterFootball now has us taking in the 2nd after Wentz @ #2 overall. Hopefully he doesn't hang around with JM. Cleveland Browns: Germain Ifedi, OT/G, Texas A&M "Negotiations between the Browns and Mitchell Schwartz have not gone well, so if he leaves via free agency, the Browns will obviously need to find a new right tackle to block for their new quarterback." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Well at least JM did not poison the TAMU well... But let's not forget... this is Camp Goff. The best part of Camp Goff? Why... the Goff Course of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 At least you have a source now, but it's still early and some of their connections seem to think Goff will emerge as #1 after he gets to meeting with teams. But it's only one, everybody else grades them out as first round talents so far. Well, I had several sources.....most of which were verbal after hearing them on TV/Radio. I mean, did you think I was making this shit up? And note.....these guys make the disclaimer that this is where they evaluate their talent in relation to the rest of the pool of players in the draft....not where they think they will be drafted. So....all along, as I said, because they are QBs these second round rated talents will still probably go high in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Ah... blissful ignorance... If you are talking about Tacosman's statement, I happen to think he is right. NO ONE has a clue if any or which one of these QBs will be an outstanding QB. After all.....most people had Weeden a low 1st or 2d rounder. No one had Russell Wilson up there that year. And of course there is obviously the Tom Brady example. And on the opposite extreme the Jamarcus Russell example. You know nothing Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 What do you mean? Tacosman has time and again displayed his outstanding football mind. Just because i've been right every damn time on every damn thing since I've come in here doesn't mean I know everything......and I'm not afraid to admit it. I have no idea if goff, lynch, or wentz will be a good nfl starter or a crappy journeyman.....what I do know is that if anyone tells you they know, they are FOS. None are cant miss prospects, and none are sure thing duds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 If you are talking about Tacosman's statement, I happen to think he is right. NO ONE has a clue if any or which one of these QBs will be an outstanding QB. After all.....most people had Weeden a low 1st or 2d rounder. No one had Russell Wilson up there that year. And of course there is obviously the Tom Brady example. And on the opposite extreme the Jamarcus Russell example. You know nothing Jon Snow. well just because Jamarcus was #1 overall doesn't mean there was a consensus he would be excellent. Sometimes a guy can go #1 overall and there be very little certainty over what his nfl career will be like. Cam newton was another such guy who went the other way of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 i've been right every damn time on every damn thing since I've come in here No but seriously Tacosman there's no such thing as a guarantee in the NFL draft. That's the reason everybody does a whole plethora of evaluation and scouting through tape, interviews, workouts to figure out the best guy - even a sure fire thing can go south. Well, I had several sources.....most of which were verbal after hearing them on TV/Radio. I mean, did you think I was making this shit up? And note.....these guys make the disclaimer that this is where they evaluate their talent in relation to the rest of the pool of players in the draft....not where they think they will be drafted. So....all along, as I said, because they are QBs these second round rated talents will still probably go high in round 1. Those optimum scouting guys seem to think Goff will rise though, and pretty much everybody else disagrees with them on how they rank Lynch and also the overall ranking - most have Goff/Wentz graded as first round talent overall by all positions, not based on projected draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Cam newton was another such guy who went the other way of course... Newton has been winning football games since HS. At his size & a few 2 years of thumping's at Carolina he has found his way. It's accepting coaching, film room & Team Game. He has worked for everything this game is giving him & more including time well spent with children in our community. But yes he can be a hot dog!! Out of the 3. Wentz maybe fun to watch with emotion & Goff has that Silent Assassin look .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Has anyone actually watched Goff throw a deep ball? Interested to hear your takes on his 25+ throws, especially seam and deep middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 If you are talking about Tacosman's statement, I happen to think he is right. NO ONE has a clue if any or which one of these QBs will be an outstanding QB. After all.....most people had Weeden a low 1st or 2d rounder. No one had Russell Wilson up there that year. And of course there is obviously the Tom Brady example. And on the opposite extreme the Jamarcus Russell example. You know nothing Jon Snow. The comment concerned TacoCabana clearly relishing his ignorance with an overreliance on "no one can predict" (which ironically happens to be a prediction). If you are eager to share that stance, then I'll gladly lump you in with him. Myself... I prefer to argue my own opinion based upon my own observations. Doesn't mean I will be right in any particular case, but overall I like my odds. I may know nothing, but at least I'm working to fill the void. Just because i've been right every damn time on every damn thing since I've come in here doesn't mean I know everything......and I'm not afraid to admit it. One... do I have to drag out your introductory posts on Manziel again? Two... do you realize how your opening undermines everything that follows? My money is still on you being a trolling alt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Has anyone actually watched Goff throw a deep ball? Interested to hear your takes on his 25+ throws, especially seam and deep middle. I'll be happy to note those throws going forward, Mike. One of my notes from the 2015 USC game was, "Nice 30-yd touch pass." In tape so far have been some nice deep crosses (posts), but don't recall many seams. I do recall several sideline fly routes. He seems to have a tendency to overthrow them if he misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I do recall several sideline fly routes. He seems to have a tendency to overthrow them if he misses. Slow receivers. JG and Bengy will track them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 The comment concerned TacoCabana clearly relishing his ignorance with an overreliance on "no one can predict" (which ironically happens to be a prediction). If you are eager to share that stance, then I'll gladly lump you in with him. Myself... I prefer to argue my own opinion based upon my own observations. Doesn't mean I will be right in any particular case, but overall I like my odds. I may know nothing, but at least I'm working to fill the void. One... do I have to drag out your introductory posts on Manziel again? Two... do you realize how your opening undermines everything that follows? My money is still on you being a trolling alt... I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about with how I viewed and view Manziel. I've always been of the opinion that while he was an exciting player in college he was not likely cut out for the nfl. I've made hundreds of posts on manziel, even before this season. Can you find one or two posts on manziel which I praise him in some way? Perhaps...but you'll find(even before this season) far far more posts critical of manziel. My consistent stance of manziel(despite whatever hyperbole I used in a few introductory posts) was that he was NOT going to be a legit nfl qb. I was right on where we would be this year. I was right on Pettine. I was right on what we would do with pettine after I was right on where we would be as a team. I was right on every manziel. I was right on every damn thing.....and a lot of you dumbasses were wrong. So I'll just leave it at that for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Tacosman has a short term memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 No but seriously Tacosman there's no such thing as a guarantee in the NFL draft. That's the reason everybody does a whole plethora of evaluation and scouting through tape, interviews, workouts to figure out the best guy - even a sure fire thing can go south. Those optimum scouting guys seem to think Goff will rise though, and pretty much everybody else disagrees with them on how they rank Lynch and also the overall ranking - most have Goff/Wentz graded as first round talent overall by all positions, not based on projected draft position. yes, the majority do have goff and wentz rated as first round talent overall....but the majority of first round overall qbs are still a very mixed bag in terms of where they are likely to fall on the spectrum eventually. There is so much eventual variance in terms of guys drafted in the first two rounds at qb past a certain point(past that Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck level)......is a guy graded #11 overall more likely to have a good career as a qb than a guy graded #21 overall? Sure, I guess....but it's marginal and you're still in a very mixed range in terms of what to expect. Could be good, could be bad, could be ok. Goff, whether he is the highest rated qb in this class or not(and whether he is a first round grade overall or not...he is I guess) is certainly going to fall within that spectrum as a qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Tacosman has a short term memory. Bullshit I can list dozens of posts where I bashed manziel the player before all this off the field stuff this year started happening. I was harder on manziel than most of his detractors. I wanted to see him start over mccown and that was still the right decision. I was right on with every single damn key event this season....if many of the posters here predictions had panned out we would be going to the 2017 with Mike Pettine. no thanks. I was the loudest voice all along saying "this idiot is fired at the end of the year"....and I was saying that EARLY ON. So yeah...I'm going to be reminding people of that, especially when a lot of those same people were saying "pettine will be back, deal with it". The browns were right to fire pettine....and you could see that happening at the beginning of the year. As I predicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Bullshit I can list dozens of posts where I bashed manziel the player before all this off the field stuff this year started happening. I was harder on manziel than most of his detractors. I wanted to see him start over mccown and that was still the right decision. I was right on with every single damn key event this season....if many of the posters here predictions had panned out we would be going to the 2017 with Mike Pettine. no thanks. I was the loudest voice all along saying "this idiot is fired at the end of the year"....and I was saying that EARLY ON. So yeah...I'm going to be reminding people of that, especially when a lot of those same people were saying "pettine will be back, deal with it". The browns were right to fire pettine....and you could see that happening at the beginning of the year. As I predicted. Your history doesn't back that up, tour showed it before. I believe manziel has several years guaranteed starting or along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Your history doesn't back that up, tour showed it before. I believe manziel has several years guaranteed starting or along those lines I think it was like 150 starts or some other such bullshit number that will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Dude... I've posted them twice already... Oh well... let's go for the hat trick. I don't think these are even the same ones that I dug up earlier... so many gems to choose from... I think JF will get at least 2 whole seasons to prove himself, but after one whole season it will be so clear he is the franchise qb that this conversation will all seem silly. Look Brandon weeden got a solid year and a half or so to stink, and weeden wasn't 22 years old, wasn't a heisman winner, etc..... I expect JF to play better next two weeks, but if he doesn't it's no big deal. This is HIS TEAM. For a LONG TIME. Absolutely a couple years....look how long other first round qbs get, even if they are bad. Blaine gabbert got about two years of terrible play. You guys are delusional if you think 22 year old first round qbs have a few starts only to 'prove they belong'..... Now it's not important in this case because JF is going to be good. But this crazy idea you guys have that a first round 22 yo qb for a bad franchise needs to play well in the final 2 games or else(or else what Connor shaw starts lmfao) is not based in reality. Even funnier because Shaw did get a start and actually looked like a QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'll be happy to note those throws going forward, Mike. One of my notes from the 2015 USC game was, "Nice 30-yd touch pass." In tape so far have been some nice deep crosses (posts), but don't recall many seams. I do recall several sideline fly routes. He seems to have a tendency to overthrow them if he misses. My main reason for bringing up those two areas of the field, is his arm seems limited to me. He can get the ball there, but if you watch competent NFL QBs, especially Aaron Rodgers (who he is constantly compared to) you see a better trajectory with more velocity. His deep balls seem to need more air to get there. It doesn't look to be a problem caused by bad mechanics, so it points to arm strength. That's important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I haven't looked that closely I mostly looked at the fact he gets the ball there. I've seen a couple underthrows but not that many. I mean if he gets the ball there and hits a guy in stride down the sideline at 30+ yards I'd find it hard to criticize the velocity or trajectory, probably need to look closer at his misses but I think a lot of them were overthrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I disagree. And to be clear, I like both him and Wentz a lot. I'm deciding if I like them No. 2 overall enough or not. I'll try to find some clips later to show you what I'm talking about, and why it might be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 My main reason for bringing up those two areas of the field, is his arm seems limited to me. He can get the ball there, but if you watch competent NFL QBs, especially Aaron Rodgers (who he is constantly compared to) you see a better trajectory with more velocity. His deep balls seem to need more air to get there. It doesn't look to be a problem caused by bad mechanics, so it points to arm strength. Mechanics to my eye look to be really, really good. I don't see the Rogers comparison. Maybe more of a same-school thing? I'm with you though... arm is not "elite" like Rogers' or Newton's. He's not capable of Aaron's 65-yd howitzer hail mary or a Newton 50 from his knees, but it looks more than adequate to me... especially given the anticipation I see in him. Earlier I pegged his effective range as 55-yd-ish. I've since seen a couple 60-ish shots that were well thrown. Also no issue with the 15-yd out to the far side. Bit of a hump in it, but that's all. Aside: You mentioned Arkansas OG Tretola a bit ago. I've now worked the 2nd Qtr of the Sr. Bowl and he did show well. But I am starting to love Nick Martin at C or OG. Unfortunately Nick looks to be going higher... maybe too high to be an option for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Jared says he's going to do it all at the Combine... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/03/jared-goff-says-hell-do-everything-at-combine/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Nice article here with a few embedded gifs... http://insidethestar.com/dallas-cowboys-draft-jared-goff-film-review/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Goff throws off of his back foot. Reminds me of Jake Plummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 At least NFL DraftScout does... Goff 1 Wentz 1 Lynch 1/2 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2016&sortorder=tsxpos&order=ASC On their Big Board they now have: Goff at #4; Wentz at #10; and Lynch at #28. Big drop for Lynch who was initially at #17 IIRC... http://www.nfldraftscout.com/members/ratings/top750.php?draftyear=2016&sortby=rateall&order=ASC Walter Football has Wentz #2, Goff #7, Lynch #13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I don't think you know what the hell you are talking about with how I viewed and view Manziel. I've always been of the opinion that while he was an exciting player in college he was not likely cut out for the nfl. I've made hundreds of posts on manziel, even before this season. Can you find one or two posts on manziel which I praise him in some way? Perhaps...but you'll find(even before this season) far far more posts critical of manziel. My consistent stance of manziel(despite whatever hyperbole I used in a few introductory posts) was that he was NOT going to be a legit nfl qb. I was right on where we would be this year. I was right on Pettine. I was right on what we would do with pettine after I was right on where we would be as a team. I was right on every manziel. I was right on every damn thing.....and a lot of you dumbasses were wrong. So I'll just leave it at that for now. UM, it wasn't exactly rocket science to get on the Manziel hate train, day one. I'll leave it at that- Pettine was a tad harder, but when the losses started piling up- well, it was pretty easy to jump on the ride him out of town on a rail crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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