bbedward Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Heard Gruden on ESPN this morning. He has no interest. He admitted that he could not get his head around the whole analytics thing and that it would not be a situation in which he would be comfortable. I don't think it'd be such a problem for him - but I think the bigger problem would be if he went somewhere he'd probably want to be the main man making personnel decisions, which is something we probably aren't offering. He may have considered a team like the Colts (who are keeping Pagano) - and would have demanded a gross amount of money. The Gruden, Cowher, Dungy people have always been in fantasy land anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 doesnt look like it will be gase Bears OC Adam Gase will have a second interview for the Eagles' head-coaching vacancy this weekend. Appearing on the radio Wednesday morning, ESPN's Adam Schefter said, "I do believe that Philadelphia is highly interested in Gase. I think the Eagles are in a situation here where if it weren't for their past, it wouldn't surprise me if they already would have made a play to hire Gase." Schefter believes the Eagles are taking their time to feel Gase out after previously rushing into hiring Chip Kelly in 2013. As of now, the Eagles have to be the favorite for Gase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1216 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 What if the Browns did something truly crazy? For the sake of continuity and not completely changing schemes/players, let's say.... Promote Flip to HC Keep Pettine as DC and bring in Bernie Kosar as OC Or keep Flip as OC and have Kosar coach, either way. It would be great to bring in someone who is passionate about the Browns and passionate about winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 What if the Browns did something truly crazy? For the sake of continuity and not completely changing schemes/players, let's say.... Promote Flip to HC Keep Pettine as DC and bring in Bernie Kosar as OC Or keep Flip as OC and have Kosar coach, either way. It would be great to bring in someone who is passionate about the Browns and passionate about winning. Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 What if the Browns did something truly crazy? For the sake of continuity and not completely changing schemes/players, let's say.... Promote Flip to HC Keep Pettine as DC and bring in Bernie Kosar as OC Or keep Flip as OC and have Kosar coach, either way. It would be great to bring in someone who is passionate about the Browns and passionate about winning. Any idea that can be placed in a nutshell........................belongs there. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 What if the Browns did something truly crazy? For the sake of continuity and not completely changing schemes/players, let's say.... It would be great to bring in someone who is passionate about the Browns and passionate about winning. My only concern is that they bring in some real experience.......which was completely missing from the last group.... Everybody....from the FO to the Coaches was new at their perspective jobs and there were zero experienced NFL veterans at any positions....not one.... Really....we need an inside influence that has some knowledge or experience.....But, so far, we have only new guys and rookies again.....(could he repeat the same mistake???) So....hoping the "GM" or new head coach is that guy....but, based upon the rumored interviews so far, I haven't seen or heard about anybody that would bring that NFL experience to the team....nor have I heard about anybody that wouldnt be looking at a promotion to get here(IE: stepping to the next level, instead of already having the exp).... Fingers crossed that Jimmy mans up and hires someone who actually might know something and NOT being learning a new job on the fly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I don't think it'd be such a problem for him - but I think the bigger problem would be if he went somewhere he'd probably want to be the main man making personnel decisions, which is something we probably aren't offering. Well, I can only go by what he said himself: that Gruden said he could not....nor would he want to....get his head around the analytics process. If by the he really felt "If I went that route I could lose control"....so be it. That may have been an unexpressed intention of his. He may have considered a team like the Colts (who are keeping Pagano) - and would have demanded a gross amount of money. The Gruden, Cowher, Dungy people have always been in fantasy land anyway. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns1216 Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 My only concern is that they bring in some real experience.......which was completely missing from the last group.... Everybody....from the FO to the Coaches was new at their perspective jobs and there were zero experienced NFL veterans at any positions....not one.... Really....we need an inside influence that has some knowledge or experience.....But, so far, we have only new guys and rookies again.....(could he repeat the same mistake???) So....hoping the "GM" or new head coach is that guy....but, based upon the rumored interviews so far, I haven't seen or heard about anybody that would bring that NFL experience to the team....nor have I heard about anybody that wouldnt be looking at a promotion to get here(IE: stepping to the next level, instead of already having the exp).... Fingers crossed that Jimmy mans up and hires someone who actually might know something and NOT being learning a new job on the fly..... I see your point about experience, but I don't think we can realistically expect an experienced coach to come here. Maybe Marrone? I don't know, it is very difficult to completely turn around an organization in 2 years, and I don't see an experienced, successful head coach coming here to get fired. Maybe all of these numbers guys Haslam has been bringing in will take some pressure off of the learning curve for a new coach. Who knows though, knowing the Browns they will find some dark horse candidate no one has heard of and make him (or her?????) the new head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 My only concern is that they bring in some real experience.......which was completely missing from the last group.... An advisor would be nice, but Chud had experience in both his OCs and in the end he lost the locker room. I'll take football IQ and communication skills even if it is inexperienced. If those skills can ripple through the staff all the way from the HC to the Asst. Position Coaches, I'd like our chances. Makes me wonder about analytics role, if any, in the coaching searches at all levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 Mike Singletary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted January 7, 2016 Report Share Posted January 7, 2016 I see your point about experience, but I don't think we can realistically expect an experienced coach to come here. Right.....they may or may not hire en experienced coach.. Honestly....Im more worried about his staff, who will be the guys actually "coaching".....ala teaching technique, tackling etc, as well as the coordinators who will be game planning and actually calling the plays..... Thats where I think we get hurt by lack of experience......and I also think head coach gets way more discussion, but is actually the one coach who really isnt coaching much....(maybe coaching coaches, but not players).... So....bring me a veteran staff.....or a veteran GM.....or, ideally....BOTH An advisor would be nice, but Chud had experience in both his OCs and in the end he lost the locker room. Makes me wonder about analytics role, if any, in the coaching searches at all levels. Yeah....Chud.....now I think he had the type of staff that really would be helpful for a rookie HC....those types of guys could help avoid a lot of technical, game time and strategic errors... And, yeah, he lost the locker room.....but I just think Chud wasnt a strong leader and that was the reason.....certainly it wasnt due to him having an experienced staff..... Analytics for a coach???....possible.....wonder what the variables would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted January 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2016 http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/report-chip-kelly-visited-alabama-coaching-staff-010716 this is strange could saban be headed to pros and kelly to alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted January 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 The San Jose Mercury News reports Bengals OC Hue Jackson is the "clear front-runner" for the 49ers' head-coach job. Jackson has yet to interview with the 49ers, but the sides are expected to meet Sunday. It sounds like he could be offered the job if everything checks out. Jackson can't accept any offers until the Bengals are eliminated from the postseason. He also has interest from the Browns and Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren15 Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 I am surprised we have not looked at former Falcons coach Mike Smith ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/report-chip-kelly-visited-alabama-coaching-staff-010716 this is strange could saban be headed to pros and kelly to alabama More like Lane Kiffin is jobless and Kelly is their OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 I'm an old guy, not a "techno-wiz", but when I look at this analytics approach & the guys we have in place, I just have a gut feeling Patricia may be the guy. I like what I've read about him, seen in interviews, & his passion for coaching as shown by his leaving a high paying engineering job to start at the bottom of the ladder in coaching. I don't trust Marrone. We'll see. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 My only concern is that they bring in some real experience.......which was completely missing from the last group.... Everybody....from the FO to the Coaches was new at their perspective jobs and there were zero experienced NFL veterans at any positions....not one.... Really....we need an inside influence that has some knowledge or experience.....But, so far, we have only new guys and rookies again.....(could he repeat the same mistake???) So....hoping the "GM" or new head coach is that guy....but, based upon the rumored interviews so far, I haven't seen or heard about anybody that would bring that NFL experience to the team....nor have I heard about anybody that wouldnt be looking at a promotion to get here(IE: stepping to the next level, instead of already having the exp).... Fingers crossed that Jimmy mans up and hires someone who actually might know something and NOT being learning a new job on the fly..... Very good post Mud. That's a great explanation of why none of the rock star candidates want to bury their careers in Cleveland. The only nitpick I have is your point about zero experienced NFL vets at any positions. Dansby, McCown, Whitner, Tramon Williams, Barnidge, Hartline, Hawkins, Starks, Kruger, Lee and others were brought here with a lot of experience. In addition, we already had veterans here like Mack, Thomas, Greco, Schwartz, Hughes, Bryant & Bryant, Haden, Benjamin, Robertson, etc. I will admit injuries complicated all that quite a bit in 2015; but we got off to a 7-4 start in 2014 despite an enormous injury volume most likely because of the amount of veterans we looked to. FWIW, maybe a position coach is more apt to stress the basic fundamentals of football that were completely MIA in 2015 from shedding blocks to making tackles in particular. If one hits with his helmet, he's more apt to get a concussion right? Well, take a look at how many concussions we had on our defense that was one of the worst units I've ever seen at tackling. That's a fundamental gone wrong that might work well with some type of Harvard formula/analytical evaluation not just during the season with who's already on the roster - but with a scouting department looking for what's missing. Did ANYONE have to teach Lawrence Taylor, Ray Lewis, or Ed Reed how to kill the guy with the ball or elude blockers in the first place? No, so their coaches didn't have to waste time on Dr Frankensteining a PROFESSIONAL into someone that might not ever be capable regardless of how many lessons (ie; Mingo). An offensive version of this would be Greg Little and the whole "we're gonna TEACH him how to catch the ball" so we can stop leading the conference in dropped passes for 2 consecutive years. The other Ohio team took AJ Green who had a lot of film getting open and catching passes in the SEC right before we kicked Julio Jones off our doorstep so we could take a DT with a Ferris Buller work ethic. Head Coaches end up being convenient scapegoats for a crummy front office incapable of identifying red flags like doesn't tackle well at all (ie; Justin Gilbert, Bark Mingo), can't shed blocks vrs point of attack (ie; Bark Mingo, Courtney Brown, Beau Bell) or can't catch (ie: Quincy Morgan, Greg Little, Vince Mayle). Somebody in our front office needs to know the difference between professional football and youth football. If bad traits are on film - you're asking your coaching staff to be miracle workers instead of guys that sharpen/refine tools and fundamentals that are already there. Last year's coaching staff needed an exorcist, magician, voodoo specialist, miracle worker, Nurse Ratched, drug and alcohol counselor, case manager because of the shitsies we draftsies... The Head Coach doesn't have to be a Coordinator if the front office gets the right guys. At 1 time the Rooneys had to make a decision on who stays and who sprays between Bill Cowher and Tom Donahoe as their work relationship became a War of the Roses. They kept Cowher and made the appropriate upgrade in the FO. In doing so, that would eventually set up easy street for a position coach Tomlin to take over after Cowher retired and get that team back to the Superbowl. John Harbaugh's first NFL was being a strength coach before he went on to being a STs Coordinator. The Head Coach needs to hire the Coordinators for the X's and O's strategies and fundamentals so he can oversee all 3 phases as strange as it is to type such a well duh it IS Cleveland we're talking about. As for the next BB pupil after Charlie Weis, Eric Mangini, Romeo Crennel and Josh McDaniels - what happens when they no longer have BB's experience and know-how evaluating/guiding them daily and weekly? Different outcomes with no parachutes? Been there and done that twice right? I'm more open to a position coach candidate for this HC job than I've ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 My avatar. That is also my answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 Very good post Mud. That's a great explanation of why none of the rock star candidates want to bury their careers in Cleveland. The only nitpick I have is your point about zero experienced NFL vets at any positions. I think Mud was still referring to "coaching positions". Vet players can help a young staff members, but there are so many new things from running practices for maximum efficiency to developing personal leadership styles that "rookie" coaches have to discover that the cumulative load of a nearly all-rookie staff is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 "Hello, is this Mr George Szell? Hi this is Jimmy Haslam and my wife wants me to buy the Cleveland Orchestra. I just hired me a general manager feller named Harold Hill ironically, who has a brand new way to hire musicians. Its called the think system. We're looking for a conductor. Hello... Hello... Dee I think I dropped the call" WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 9, 2016 Report Share Posted January 9, 2016 lol... Finally after years we have George Szell reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Marrone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Patricia interviewed today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kvoethe Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 After wikiing Szell, i found that remark hilarious, as well as learning something new. Thank you WSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 After wikiing Szell, i found that remark hilarious, as well as learning something new. Thank you WSS. Thank you sir. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Anybody have to google Harold Hill? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 Anybody have to google Harold Hill? Isn't he from Gary, Indiana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 10, 2016 Report Share Posted January 10, 2016 My boy! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 My boy! WSS I was thinking of Henry Hill......the guy from Goodfellas. (but he is now deceased) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted January 11, 2016 Report Share Posted January 11, 2016 I was thinking of Henry Hill......the guy from Goodfellas. (but he is now deceased) You missed the one clue comparing analytics to the think system. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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