MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 So do you have a point woody? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 One more time. Abortion is completely legal and easy to get, same thing with birth control. Overpopulation, and rampant teenage single parent pregnancy are primarily found in destitute third world shitholes and the inner city. Not so much in upper middle class suburbs or civilized Western countries. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Carson getting annihilated in latest polls. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The suburbs and rural areas are not overcrowded. Give me a list of Western civilizations with terrible overpopulation problems. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 The suburbs and rural areas are not overcrowded. Give me a list of Western civilizations with terrible overpopulation problems. WSS Yeah, I clearly wasn't commenting on the overpopulation part of your post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Everyone in the world could live on their own residential sized lot in the state of Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 [imgl=http://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/family-support/children-poverty/children-poverty-by-race-ethnicity/charts]http://www.actrochester.org/children-youth/family-support/children-poverty/children-poverty-by-race-ethnicity/charts[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 http://articles.latimes.com/1990-07-17/news/mn-91_1_young-black-men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Again, I am responding to your comment that teenage pregnancy is primarily found in the inner city, which is incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 As you probably know by now, or maybe vaguely recall, Paris is something of a second home for me. My girlfriend is Parisian, I've spent probably 6 or 7 weeks there in the past year working, or visiting friends. So when this happened, and when it happened on a smaller scale in January, it hits me a lot more personally than most on the board here. That's why I haven't really responded so much. The first thing that struck me is - why Paris? Yes, France has been involved in attacks on Daesh, but not to the same scale and not as prominently as the US, Russia, UK, for example. So why Paris? Paris has the largest population of muslims in the western world (possibly as a percentage but I think outright) - in fact, some of the victims of the attacks were muslim. To what end? Well, when you think about their recruitment policies, it becomes clear. Most, if not all, of their recruitment comes from muslims who feel like the western world is overwhelmingly strongly anti-muslim, who feel like they must 'stand up' for what they believe is a valid way of life, yada yada yada. So, by staging these attacks, yelling 'allah akbar' all over the place, they try to cultivate an anti-muslim culture that they can use to recruit new jihadists. The troubling part is, it works, at least in part, and you see things like this: "Some muslims just killed a bunch of innocent people - to show them what savages they are and how wrong they are, lets go to a place with lots of innocent muslims and kill some of them" Great response. Contrary to what Hillary Clinton seems to think, this *is* a radical islam problem, not an islam problem; it's a result of life in the middle east leading itself to this way of life. We've spoken many times before about this, and how to resolve it, and the answer doesn't change. We need to stop the radicalisation before it happens, and we need to eliminate the radicalised. It's difficult to do the latter without comprimising in some way the former, but not impossible. This was an attack by 8 people, maybe with a support network of dozens. There are hundreds of thousands of muslims in paris alone, each as shocked as you and I by the events. Let's not turn our hate towards them; let's not let the terrorists win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 It's an Islam problem. Again, so-called moderate Muslims never denounce this shit. Why? Because they really aren't moderate. Fuck Islam and fuck your bleeding-heart excuses for their savage behavior. It's ignorant to think that any Muslim doesn't want western civilization to collapse. Do you really think they would betray Islam for the sake of the infidels? Don't be stupid. Islam by its very nature doesn't allow for moderation. No one is going to buy into the oppression of women and other Islam nonsense half-heartedly. It's an all or nothing ideology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Yeah, I clearly wasn't commenting on the overpopulation part of your post... I apologize, since I wasn't clear and that's my fault. I'm not drawing a racial line I'm drawing a poverty line. The numbers you provided only tell me the difference between the inner city and the rest of the population. I would think, & I don't see anything to prove otherwise, that single teenage mother families ( not merely teenage pregnancy numbers but households) are more prevalent in urban poor areas than they are in Strongsville or Hudson or wadsworth or Avon Lake or Chesterland. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I don't think that dusting a bunch of uninvolved people is a good idea but to say this isn't an Islam problem is ridiculous. The Western world makes it very easy to assimilate. Muslims who leave third world dumps tend to collect into neighborhoods where they do not have to assimilate. They can live by the same morals and social norms of the dumps they left. Muslims should be making efforts to adapt to their surroundings. The responsibility doesn't fall on the people who welcomed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I don't think that dusting a bunch of uninvolved people is a good idea but to say this isn't an Islam problem is ridiculous. The Western world makes it very easy to assimilate. Muslims who leave third world dumps tend to collect into neighborhoods where they do not have to assimilate. They can live by the same morals and social norms of the dumps they left. Muslims should be making efforts to adapt to their surroundings. The responsibility doesn't fall on the people who welcomed them. In much the same way as termites and carpenter ants very rarely assimilate with in someone's home and begin to adopt the manners and customs of the dogs cats birds etc that already live there. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 In much the same way as termites and carpenter ants very rarely assimilate with in someone's home and begin to adopt the manners and customs of the dogs cats birds etc that already live there. WSS So muslims are a different species? In fact, not just species, but a different phylum. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I don't think that dusting a bunch of uninvolved people is a good idea but to say this isn't an Islam problem is ridiculous. The Western world makes it very easy to assimilate. Muslims who leave third world dumps tend to collect into neighborhoods where they do not have to assimilate. They can live by the same morals and social norms of the dumps they left. Muslims should be making efforts to adapt to their surroundings. The responsibility doesn't fall on the people who welcomed them. It's not just muslims that don't tend to assimilate, most people stick to their own when moving to a new country, especially if moving with a family. It's just easier. Efforts must be made by both parties to encourage more assimilation. As for the idea that "moderate Muslims never denounce this shit" - well that so clearly off base it's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 http://www.oic-oci.org/oicv2/topic/?t_id=10642&t_ref=4194&lan=en The Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Iyad Ameen Madani, condemned in the strictest terms the terrorist attacks perpetrated in the French Capital, Paris, on Friday night 13th November 2015, which claimed lives of and caused injuries to many innocent and peaceful people. ^Largest muslim organisation in the world. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NotInMyName&src=tyah ^muslim social media users condemning the attacks with the hashtag #NotInMyName to show how far removed from moderate islam these things are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Besides which, whenever someone commits some atrocity in the name of christianity (it does happen), does everyone here feel the need to explicitly condemn it? No, because it's implied. Apply the same logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 So muslims are a different species? In fact, not just species, but a different phylum. Nice. Either I wasn't clear with my tongue in cheek comment or you're not very astute this morning, or whatever time it is there. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Either I wasn't clear with my tongue in cheek comment or you're not very astute this morning, or whatever time it is there. WSS Not in the mood for it I'm afraid. This is very personal, very fresh and is evoking some very stupid responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious Styles Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I don't understand why the gulf countries and Saudis are barely doing anything. They are the ones that need to step up. Gulf states wont step up because they support whats going on. The Saudis are supporting the chaos of a secular Syria central government.Turkey has been bombing the Kurds.....our strongest fighter against isil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Gulf states wont step up because they support whats going on. The Saudis are supporting the chaos of a secular Syria central government. Turkey has been bombing the Kurds.....our strongest fighter against isil. This is true and frustrating. There needs to be a pulp fiction moment where the rest of the middle east just says to each other "our shit's on pause" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Not in the mood for it I'm afraid. This is very personal, very fresh and is evoking some very stupid responses.Fair enough.But if you are looking for an apology for insulting the people who did it you won't get it from me. And you can belay the references of the moral equivalency to the Crusades or abortion clinic bombings or whatever. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Gulf states wont step up because they support whats going on. The Saudis are supporting the chaos of a secular Syria central government. Turkey has been bombing the Kurds.....our strongest fighter against isil. Personally I think we need to arm the Kurds. They've been the most effective ground force against Isil, but instead we choose to arm some Syrian "moderate" isis-sympathizing rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 It's not just muslims that don't tend to assimilate, most people stick to their own when moving to a new country, especially if moving with a family. It's just easier. Efforts must be made by both parties to encourage more assimilation. As for the idea that "moderate Muslims never denounce this shit" - well that so clearly off base it's ridiculous. Other minority groups are not associated with suicide bombings. They may cluster together but they do not actively speak out about the country to which they immigrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Personally I think we need to arm the Kurds. They've been the most effective ground force against Isil, but instead we choose to arm some Syrian "moderate" isis-sympathizing rebels. Fuck arming rebels - that's done shit all for anyone outside of a galaxy far, far away. Kurds, maybe, but then they'll be at war with Turkey afterwards, and that won't end well. I'm sorry to say but this shit needs troops going in there. Not a full scale invasion like Iraq, but specialists - the marines, the SAS etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbedward Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I'm sorry to say but this shit needs troops going in there. Not a full scale invasion like Iraq, but specialists - the marines, the SAS etc. This is what Russia is doing. After an air strike they send in the spetsnaz to slaughter the survivors and clean up. But the western world is too scared of Russia and wants to impose a no-fly zone (like that'll work). We shoot down 1 Russian plane because of our no fly zone in a war torn country and we'll have WW3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 A side note, the French have taken the lead on all co-organised bombing campaigns since friday. Not as a carpet bombing revenge assault, but basically these attacks were going to happen anyway, and the French said "guys, we've got this" and everyone else in the coalition basically said "yep, no problem" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Fair enough. But if you are looking for an apology for insulting the people who did it you won't get it from me. And you can belay the references of the moral equivalency to the Crusades or abortion clinic bombings or whatever. WSS Not expecting one - just not lumping in all muslims with jihadis, not lumping all white people in with white supremacists, not lumping all christians in with Kony. And I'm not talking crusades. Abortion clinic attacks are legitimately terrorist attacks - perpetrated by extremists, unless you don't count bombing something you disagree with extremism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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