calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 CABLE NEWS RACE THU., MARCH 26, 2009 FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,420,000 FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,987,000 FOXNEWS BECK 2,374,000 FOXNEWS GRETA 2,160,000 FOXNEWS BAIER 1,940,000 FOXNEWS SHEP 1,888,000 MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,322,000 CNNHN GRACE 1,300,000 MSNBC MADDOW 1,208,000 CNN KING 1,144,000 CNN COOPER 1,118,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spunkonmyback DPOY Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Didn't you hear? People watch Fox becuase they want to hear stupid, radical and racist things...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 pretty predictable considering the bashing in power seats the right wing (meaning fox's viewers) in congress and the white house. Now they are all sitting watching for some glimmer of hope of pushing their "conservative" agenda again some day. Mean while during the 2 week stock market rally and the left wing watching Obama make logical decisions based on intelligence instead of hearing "god's" voice..... you dont have to watch the news so much because the train wreck that was Bush/Cheney/GOP is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Didn't you hear? People watch Fox becuase they want to hear stupid, radical and racist things...... It confirms their shortcomings, they feel better about themselves if someone on the mighty God Tube says it's ok. Proving a lot of these people can't think for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 pretty predictable considering the bashing in power seats the right wing (meaning fox's viewers) in congress and the white house. Now they are all sitting watching for some glimmer of hope of pushing their "conservative" agenda again some day. Mean while during the 2 week stock market rally and the left wing watching Obama make logical decisions based on intelligence instead of hearing "god's" voice..... you dont have to watch the news so much because the train wreck that was Bush/Cheney/GOP is gone. I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. Explain to me what is logical about skimming through a 1900 page stimulus plan over the weekend? I'm really fcuking dying to hear this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 29, 2009 Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 I knew I shouldn't have read this thread. Explain to me what is logical about skimming through a 1900 page stimulus plan over the weekend? I'm really fcuking dying to hear this. Legacy you are smart enough to deduce the difference between the Obama admin and approach versus the Bush team. Politics itself is not going to change... congressman and senators are not actually going to read anything. The difference is the broad brush strokes. I am not saying Obama and his team and approach along with the obviously corrupt (insert Dodd and company) democratic senators and reps are going to change day to day politics. Its the approach and philosophy of the new White house which is difference. Obama and team have to pay the piper to those who gave them money to get elected (thats not us) The difference between this white house so far and the former is EXTREME, not to mention I have been bitching for years about how Bush jr never could run a business and bankrupted them how was he going to run the country.... Well 8 years 3 tax cuts in the face of 2 wars/occupations/rebuilding along with letting the pay go legislation expire and than sign a new medicare entitlement that will eventually lead to even more debt than the middle east operations... That is why viewership is up on right wing news and down on more moderate to left wing news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2009 Yes, there IS a difference. The Bush admin always refused to trash the first and second amendments... the Nobama admin is all about DOING the that trashing. The Bush admin was all about putting up with a deficit to fight the war on terror. The Nobama admin is all about throwing our entire debt into a long term devastation, and is working Chavez like to consolidate control and power. So, the anti Bush's flocked to CNN for biased coverage against the Bush admin. Now, the shoe is on the other foot, but the shoe is a socialist gonna control you shoe, so REAL Americans are flocking to Fox for a better idea of how much damage the Nobama admin has done in only three months. Which, considering CNN is still the anti conservative choice in colleges, it's impressive it fell behind Fox AND Msnbc for the first time. A lot of happy Americans are po'd, and that majority flocked to Fox News for the first time. I mean, everywhere I go now, garden centers, hardware stores are telling me about first time gardening exploding, including a lot of folks asking how to meet local gardeners who grow a lot of produce so they can know where to go to buy some. It's a grassroots alarming FREAKIN CRISIS coming. Not good. Obviously, when Fox News becomes #1, millions of folks are ONLY NOW freakin worried. (with good reason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 The difference between this white house so far and the former is EXTREME, not to mention I have been bitching for years about how Bush jr never could run a business and bankrupted them how was he going to run the country.... Well 8 years 3 tax cuts in the face of 2 wars/occupations/rebuilding along with letting the pay go legislation expire and than sign a new medicare entitlement that will eventually lead to even more debt than the middle east operations... That is why viewership is up on right wing news and down on more moderate to left wing news. Well I guess you're going to keep bitching because I'd love for someone to rattle off the list of businesses Obama has operated, much less owned that obviously is the annointing requirement to become President. The problem is, you haven't (wont). The other problem is that Obama's daddy hasn't taken his credit card away yet. I've seen episodes of My Super Sweet Sixteen that have exhibited more financial restraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTBH Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 CNN is starting to suck. That whole DL Hughly Does the News absolutely reeks of reverse racism, from the fact that he can't go 10 seconds without saying something about race to the fact that he actually got the show in the first place. Although the ratings are obviously misleading, because there is only one major conservative TV outlet while there are numerous liberal ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Wow, I'm shocked. Toss this one in your Broken Record File. DTBH discussing "reverse racism" is as shocking as Lumbergh defending Derek Anderson. He is kinda right, though. DL Hughley does suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 And this means what exactly? Seriously, if we want to look to the american public for wisdom we might be waiting a long time. And on a side note how come Cal can't can anybody to thank him for a post except diehard? Things that make you go hmmmm.... Those thanks must be real important in your life huh? It's the gayest thing in here. You flip flop by mood in here, either wasted drunk or semi liberal. What is it today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 It's the gayest thing in here. Only by default since Shep and Heck stomped off to Obammyland. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Well I guess you're going to keep bitching because I'd love for someone to rattle off the list of businesses Obama has operated, much less owned that obviously is the annointing requirement to become President. The problem is, you haven't (wont). The other problem is that Obama's daddy hasn't taken his credit card away yet. I've seen episodes of My Super Sweet Sixteen that have exhibited more financial restraint. Obama's lack of private enterprise experience did bother me. Than I watched him run his campaign against hillary with organization to rival any well run private enterprise along with planning and execution and gathering of efficient and experienced talent. For him to beat Hillary was a very large bonus in my book on how he might manage the country. Legacy come on if a guy cant run a business he has no place in running our country, similar skill sets are required because basically the POTUS is our CEO for all intensive purposes. This whole concept that Obama is going "crazy" without any financial restraint is odd. Bush and the republican controlled house and senate let the Pay go legislation expire which let them pass the drug entitilement to medicare without having to pay for it. That cost is more than all of the new stimulas plans combined by a ton. 3 tax cuts when you are fighting and rebuilding in 2 nations simaltaneously? The right wing is all upset about Obama trying to stop and jump start our economic system that he was handed a mess by that party? 3 tax cuts and medicare cost expansion along with 2 plus trillion dollar operational cost from the middle east? Really? Those tax cuts are going to have to be rolled back and medicare(the best voting bloc) will have to have some cost control legislation on the providers and suppliers. I want to see if the dems and Obama pass new Pay as you go legislation for budget programs... my bet is not until they pass everything they want first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 so REAL Americans are flocking to Fox for a better idea of how much damage the Nobama admin has done in only three months. Which, considering CNN is still the anti conservative choice in colleges, it's impressive it fell behind Fox AND Msnbc for the first time. I see so the only way you are a REAL american is if you watch completely Bias agenda from Fox. OK. You are only a REAL american if you are a right wing conservative basically... everyone else is well a fictional american. Basically the low density population states and rural america mixed with White pro business benefits first crowd are the only real americans. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Danamal I do agree with you 100% about the "black" vote was based very heavily on racism. That did not affect my choice in vote as a minority, however it was inspiring to see a major milestone happen in our development as a society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 LOL, thanks for not kicking my butt too much on that one, Sev, I didn't mean for it to come out that way... a lot of Americans on both left and right who didn't watch the news all that much, too busy working and farming and gardening, etc, to monitor Cnn Or Fox much at all, started to be concerned and started checking out in alarm. That's what I was thinking - real every-day America. I'm so busy, I've started re-reading my posts to catch the typos. I can't stop typing so fast, don't have time. 096OIuhOI^)(*709870[u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 OH, and I consider the lack of "Thanks" a vindication of what I perceive of as the -emotional- appraisal of issues, not objective appraisal of the same. For instance: I post, generally speaking, things that disagree with the lib's way of perceiving. Now, generally, most libs get upset at not being agreed with, so they get upset, and voila! They wouldn't thank anybody for posting, cause they have their shoes tied too tight. It can go the other direction too, except generally, conservatives can easily be far more objective, they are -as- sold out to emotionalism in place of honest critical thinking-oriented appraisal. I even "Thanked" mz the pussy, yesterday, I think. I'm an equal opportunity thanker. I think. But I've thought that before, when I should have thunk it, but I admit it, so thank me. "sigh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mz. Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Blow me, LA sissy boy. I know you live out there in France, but here in the U.S., reverse racism is the gigantic elephant in the room that no one is allowed to talk about. And it's because sissy ninnies like you are so scared to be called a racist or anything of the sort you won't dare lend any credence to it. You still think 96% of black people voted for Obama because of his policies? If you do, you might want to check out that Howard Stern video again. This country will forever be split by racism until black people stop hiding behind racism and people like you stop letting them. Man, you sure work hard to defend your overt racism there, DTBH. Hate to break it to you, but there are folks, of every race, who aren't racist. Blacks too! So allow for the fact that not everyone hides behind race as you do. Earth-shattering, I know. PS My favorite DTBH Racist Moment came when you claimed LeBron wouldn't resign with the Cavs because he has no hometown loyalty because he grew up as a Yankee and Bulls fan, as all black kids do, because all blacks are frontrunning fans. PPS Blaming my Liberal nature on California is old and misinformed. I was just as Liberal when I lived in Jersey, Georgia and Upstate NY. Call me a fag instead. It makes you look smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Obama's lack of private enterprise experience did bother me. Than I watched him run his campaign against hillary with organization to rival any well run private enterprise along with planning and execution and gathering of efficient and experienced talent. For him to beat Hillary was a very large bonus in my book on how he might manage the country. Legacy come on if a guy cant run a business he has no place in running our country, similar skill sets are required because basically the POTUS is our CEO for all intensive purposes. Admirable that you made a decision based on an observation. That doesn't get done too often anymore. However, I'd hardly call running his campaign a major business achievement. It would be the equivalent of congratulating a lottery winner's ability to go out and buy two mansions and a car for everyone in his family. In other words, it's very hard to make spending a ton of money not look easy to do. A more impressive financial achievement: accomplish what he did on McCain's budget. This whole concept that Obama is going "crazy" without any financial restraint is odd. Bush and the republican controlled house and senate let the Pay go legislation expire which let them pass the drug entitilement to medicare without having to pay for it. That cost is more than all of the new stimulas plans combined by a ton. 3 tax cuts when you are fighting and rebuilding in 2 nations simaltaneously? The right wing is all upset about Obama trying to stop and jump start our economic system that he was handed a mess by that party? 3 tax cuts and medicare cost expansion along with 2 plus trillion dollar operational cost from the middle east? Really? Those tax cuts are going to have to be rolled back and medicare(the best voting bloc) will have to have some cost control legislation on the providers and suppliers. I want to see if the dems and Obama pass new Pay as you go legislation for budget programs... my bet is not until they pass everything they want first. Rather than gripe about what you perceive the "right wing" to be upset over, how about addressing what I'm upset over? You know, since you and I are having the conversation. In countless threads I've consistently questioned why the current administration is using reckless spending habits to correct a reckless spending problem. Forget for a moment that Bush handed over a shitty situation. The adults in the room are well aware of what our current situation is, and how we got there. Address the italicized text if you don't mind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Basically the low density population states and rural america... As opposed to high density population states/regions?? Are you suggesting that our opinion should matter less because we don't live on top of one another? When you get the time, how about enlightening us on the efficiency and logical behavior on display in a traffic jam. Or parking garage/lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Call me a fag instead. It makes you look smarter. It's lines like this that make me wish for the :ROFLMAO: smiley from the old board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Legacy I dont see the stimulas as "reckless"... I see it as politicians using our situation to further their own pet projects to pay back campaign contributions. Lets say the stimulas adds up to 2 trillion dollars as a onetime cost, well pulling out of the middle east will take probably 20% of that away. I also see it weakening China and Russia along with most of Europe which to me is not a bad thing. Devauling our dollar and pulling back credit and spending hurts our rivals far more than it will hurt us. for me this is economic warfare... that may be a bit well aggressive but I think the middle east with depressed oil costs (Iran) and demands only helps us. I also think that Russia also booming from oil and gas needed to get kicked hard to realign us back into a more moderate even deal making situation with them. The Aholes that are in power right now are only in power because the people have excess money. Anything that weakens China who is heavily vested now with us will make it easier in the future for us to deal with their growing influence. So for me this is not really reckless.... it is more i guess convenient. I do see the pay go legislation that helped Medicare drug entitlements expand and that whole medicare/social security/medicaid killing us unless cost controls are realigned. That is the part that disturbs me not the "stimulas" package and spending. In 20 years those 3 programs will cost more than our ENTIRE Budget income. Legacy I cant pigeon hole republicans because they are legion and everywhere. They do hold voting bloc sway over very specific geographic regions and demographics. I know that party is very diverse, but the power base is what it is. For me I think this is what our Society needed in some sense. A catastrophe that can force a lot of us into more responsible and efficient business models (GM/Chrysler/Ford) and weaken the stranglehold of the Unions and also put back much needed controls and regulations on the Banking and Financial industry. Most people I think dont care about the bigger picture or how our economic system operates as long as it does not directly affect them. This scenario has forced the main voting bloc to see how important it is now. For the record I disagree with your assessment on the Obama party campaign and I think it was a very large multi level business for 2 year basically. For me the CEO of our country does not need to know how to turn a profit necessarily but organization/planning/execution/ as well as the talent you choose to surround yourself with is the essentials. Bush obviously was not in charge of his operation but more was the figurehead other power players were using, that I think really was the fundamental flaw with his "leadership". We can agree to disagree on that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Legacy I dont see the stimulas as "reckless"... I see it as politicians using our situation to further their own pet projects to pay back campaign contributions. Lets say the stimulas adds up to 2 trillion dollars as a onetime cost, well pulling out of the middle east will take probably 20% of that away. I also see it weakening China and Russia along with most of Europe which to me is not a bad thing. Devauling our dollar and pulling back credit and spending hurts our rivals far more than it will hurt us. for me this is economic warfare... that may be a bit well aggressive but I think the middle east with depressed oil costs (Iran) and demands only helps us. I also think that Russia also booming from oil and gas needed to get kicked hard to realign us back into a more moderate even deal making situation with them. The Aholes that are in power right now are only in power because the people have excess money. Anything that weakens China who is heavily vested now with us will make it easier in the future for us to deal with their growing influence. So for me this is not really reckless.... it is more i guess convenient. I do see the pay go legislation that helped Medicare drug entitlements expand and that whole medicare/social security/medicaid killing us unless cost controls are realigned. That is the part that disturbs me not the "stimulas" package and spending. In 20 years those 3 programs will cost more than our ENTIRE Budget income. Ok. But we've got almost 2 years before anybody is "pulling out" of anywhere. And we just sent more troops to Afghanistan. He cant even make good on one campaign ace up his sleeve. To be honest, it's only taken 60 days to re-affirm my belief that our government should stay as far away from our health care as possible. It is 100% clear they do not have the best interest of the patient at heart. Plus, they're idiots. Weakening China & Russia is all well and good as far as keeping them on their toes, however, with the plan to inject 15x more money than is currently in the system they wont be taking on anymore of our debt - which could potentially be a serious problem. Not to mention it sends us straight down the road of using a global currency (Similar to the situation of Iceland & Denmark finally having to consider joining the Euro). Oh yeah, should China & Russia decide to come collect on their debt, it will be with pipe wrenches in hand. Legacy I cant pigeon hole republicans because they are legion and everywhere. They do hold voting bloc sway over very specific geographic regions and demographics. I know that party is very diverse, but the power base is what it is. For me I think this is what our Society needed in some sense. A catastrophe that can force a lot of us into more responsible and efficient business models (GM/Chrysler/Ford) and weaken the stranglehold of the Unions and also put back much needed controls and regulations on the Banking and Financial industry. Most people I think dont care about the bigger picture or how our economic system operates as long as it does not directly affect them. This scenario has forced the main voting bloc to see how important it is now. For the record I disagree with your assessment on the Obama party campaign and I think it was a very large multi level business for 2 year basically. For me the CEO of our country does not need to know how to turn a profit necessarily but organization/planning/execution/ as well as the talent you choose to surround yourself with is the essentials. Bush obviously was not in charge of his operation but more was the figurehead other power players were using, that I think really was the fundamental flaw with his "leadership". We can agree to disagree on that matter. My take on Obama's campaign was simply this: he had essentially an unlimited budget. It's easy to hide mistakes and eliminate them if you have enough people on the company dollar planning, evaluating, and calculating every step. His campaign was run like a chess match, not a business, imo. His unlimited budget allowed Bobby Fischer to make the moves, rather than the latest World Poker champion. Indeed, we have had the perfect situation for a reboot, a catastrophe, and we missed out on the opportunity to let it work. Propping up failing institutions that caused the problem is not the solution. We're delaying the inevitable and finger-banging our future generation(s). This is where the administration's (Bush included) reactionary "well, we just have to do something" mentality gives me the greatest cause for concern. Toss in the deceit that still has a stranglehold on even our new hyper-regulatory operations (b.s.) and you have a recipe for disaster. Absolutely zero organization, zero purpose, and zero strategy is on the menu - but "we just have to do something, throw some money on the fire & maybe we can smother it" - sucks. This is our CEO & COO of the country's plan??? Nice work, fellas. Do you think Sony or Apple or Toyota or Honda has ever not had any kind of purpose/ strategy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 Legacy are you referring to his democratic party election or the general election? I was not talking about the general election but the Democratic inhouse election against Hillary?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 General. I don't know what he did to turn the tide in the Dem. Prim. because it was pretty much a lock for Hillary for the past 6 years. Ignoring the racial implications of the situation*, I won't say he did something admirable, because I don't know what it was. But, it is/was definitely impressive. *Throw race out of it, because what he did in that realm, was impressive and admirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 what I was referring to when I was trying to get some sort of assessment was his democratic nomination campaign against Hillary. That was what helped me even consider him in the first place for the general election. I agree with your assessment of the general election because it was just basica monetary/media bias bullying after he beat Hillary. I am back to being a Mccain fan again now that he does not have to answer to the ultra right wing of his party anymore. His Daughter seems to me a little bit posiitionally I would like the new republican direction to go in. Those type of republican leadership would be very compelling I think in terms of expanding the party's demographics and appealing to more moderate independents. More so than the democratic party currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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