Axe Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Which would be appropriate here if this were the first jump he was making... Going from SDSU to Stanford still leaves you woefully short of knowing how to manage the egos of a big time program. Hey, he'll probably do fine, I just don't like when people assume a guy will dominate the CFB big leagues just because he dominated the small ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's a rivalry Woody. Don't expect anything other than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 If you believe him he wanted to be in San Francisco but was forced out and how has that been going for San Francisco? If he wanted to be in the NFL, he'd still be in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Going from SDSU to Stanford still leaves you woefully short of knowing how to manage the egos of a big time program. Hey, he'll probably do fine, I just don't like when people assume a guy will dominate the CFB big leagues just because he dominated the small ones. He had no egos to manage on an NFL team? Who has said he will dominate? Was Stanford in a "small league"? They play in the same FBS as everyone else, correct? Or are you calling the PAC 12 small? You said there's no guarantee he'll win because he's only won at a "small program". That completely ignores each program he's turned around, it makes Stanford sound like a MAC team, and it ignores his entire NFL stint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's a rivalry Woody. Don't expect anything other than this. No, of course. I am fine with the shit talking and what not. I just would like common sense, based in reality, or factual responses from the other side. Responding with inaccurate statements and straw man gets really old, really fast. It is amazing how much some people can lose any ability to reason and use common sense when it involves OSU and Michigan. I see it here a lot though. It is probably a byproduct of all of the success OSU has had recently. A delusional, arrogant, fanbase. I'd probably be saying the same thing about Bama fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Don't know if you noticed, but YOUR reality or what you view as common sense matches approximately 0 % of the board population opinion concerning this subject matter and not much higher on other subjects.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Don't know if you noticed, but YOUR reality or what you view as common sense matches approximately 0 % of the board population opinion concerning this subject matter and not much higher on other subjects.. Are you talking the political board? 2 things there. One, don't confuse multiple threads about the same thing made by the same people as the population believing that. Two, I'm fine being seen as not agreeing with them on a handful of subjects. I have no problem with not being seen as being on the wrong side of history When it comes to this board, no shit, most of you are OSU fans. I know a lot of sensible OSU fans in real life. Maybe it is the anonymity of the online forum that brings it out, but there are a lot of childlike, toll-like, moronic posts on the subject at hand. Again, if am seen as not fitting that mold, I am ok with it. I have no doubt that if an unbiased observer read through some of the old threads on here, I'd be seen as the reasonable one. Multiple times I've been called out for not being completely 100% OSU 100% of the time. Where the other side gives nothing more than posts attacking Michigan or just spewing incorrect nonsense. If only I did that too.... huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 He had no egos to manage on an NFL team? Who has said he will dominate? Was Stanford in a "small league"? They play in the same FBS as everyone else, correct? Or are you calling the PAC 12 small? You said there's no guarantee he'll win because he's only won at a "small program". That completely ignores each program he's turned around, it makes Stanford sound like a MAC team, and it ignores his entire NFL stint... You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game. Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do? "Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12. It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 We lost the first game, by 7, on the road at night against a good team, with a -3 turnover margin. And it was only 7 points. What do you think "what it could be" is? Most people are putting the bottom as 6-6, with 8-4 a reasonable expectation. 8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Because he's moved up each time... and now he is where he wants to be. You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 8-4 is optimal expectation, 6-6 is reasonable expectation. 4-8 is not beyond the realm of possibility. What is your background in the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You think he is a new Nick Saban......success in college, switches to the pros....things there become iffy...then he decides tp go back to college to his "dream job". Sure, possible. But then his dream job unlike Saban may in fact be back in the NFL......who knows, we shall see. First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban. Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations 1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it 2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to 3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You can cut guys in the NFL. Everyone's got a professionals mentality. Completely different ball game. Pretty much every Michigan fan. If not, what exactly do you think he will do? "Big leagues" is an expression. Stanford is not in the CFB big leagues when it comes to programs. Had nothing to do with the PAC 12. It doesn't ignore each program he's turned around. It says it's a small program. Exactly what I said. Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer? Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate. No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL. Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 What is your background in the issue? Years and years and years of experience. And knowledge. And insight. And divination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 First of all I'd never want Harbaugh to be like Saban. Second, there are a lot of differences in these situations 1) JH actually had success in the pros, a lot of it 2) JH could gave continued coaching in the NFL at a number of locations if he wanted to 3) JH is back at the team he played for. In the town he grew up in. His kids are going to the same elementary school he did. By all accounts he is where he wants to be right now. Possible, but who knows. Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo. So...when did he live in AA as a baern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Possible, but who knows. Harbaugh.....went to HS in Palo Alto (maybe that is where he really would like to be...but can't go back there). And he was born in Toledo. So...when did he live in AA as a baern? He lived in AA between 1973 and 1979, when his dad coached here. During that time he idolized Bo. Not to mention he played here under Bo. He has plenty of time in here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've followed this more than you. It seems like this is where he wants to be. Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL and be in Cali, he'd be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 He lived in AA between 1973 and 1979, when his dad coached here. During that time he idolized Bo. Not to mention he played here under Bo. He has plenty of time in here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say I've followed this more than you. It seems like this is where he wants to be. Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL and be in Cali, he'd be there. Just wait until a decent/good NFL team comes calling. I don't think he will leave for some scrub team without a franchise QB. Maybe the Giants in a year or 2 or maybe the Colts, as their coach is in the last year of his contract. If the Colts call him next off-season, he will be on the first thing smokin' to Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 You think he didn't have any good/decent options in the NFL? With all of the success he had? You sure? Of the 7 NFL teams that needed a coach this past off-season, maybe ATL was a better job than UM Wait until the Colts need a new coach. They will have their pick of any college coach they want Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh all might get calls from them, and if they want Harbaugh he will be gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Everyone has a professional mentality in the NFL? Really? You think egos just disappear once you reach the NFL? And you think "just cut them" is the answer? Every Michigan fan says Harbaugh will "dominate"? Really? I disagree, but I guess that would depend on your definition of dominate. No, Stanford is not in the top level of big time programs. Stanford isn't a small program though. And, again, it ignores the NFL. Though I'm sure most NFL coaches would be relieved to hear there aren't egos to deal with in the NFL and everyone is a professional. It's a completely different ball game dealing with these youngsters. They are anywhere from 1-5 years younger than every NFL player. That makes a huge difference. They can be cut in a lot of instances. See West, Terrence (I realize he wasn't technically cut). So you haven't said exactly what you think he'll do. Just are refuting my interpretation of Michigan fans (which is built largely off of the things you've said anyway). Care to actually offer an opinion instead of picking apart everyone else's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Of the 7 NFL teams that needed a coach this past off-season, maybe ATL was a better job than UM Wait until the Colts need a new coach. They will have their pick of any college coach they want Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh all might get calls from them, and if they want Harbaugh he will be gone Sure thing. I imagine you also went from the "he'll never leave the NFL for Michigan!" to the "Well no one in the NFL wanted him anyway!" camps too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 It's a completely different ball game dealing with these youngsters. They are anywhere from 1-5 years younger than every NFL player. That makes a huge difference. They can be cut in a lot of instances. See West, Terrence (I realize he wasn't technically cut). So you haven't said exactly what you think he'll do. Just are refuting my interpretation of Michigan fans (which is built largely off of the things you've said anyway). Care to actually offer an opinion instead of picking apart everyone else's? I think we'll be in the national title conversation in about 4 years West wasn't a star. Moving him was no big deal. College coaches have much, much more influence over their players than NFL coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Ok we're splitting hairs but being in the title conversation is not dominating? The guys are much older, more mature, the ones with character issues are downgraded in the draft, etc. No comparison to getting some kid in from New Orleans or BF, Mississippi that's grown up with no father and a ton of violence in the neighborhood and whose first time leaving his 100 mile radius is when his high school coach drove him to an unofficial visit. That's who you're managing. Not a guy who's been a college star for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 I consider dominating as creating a dynasty with multiple titles. I don't expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Alright, fair enough. That's a clear distinction. Why don't you though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Alright, fair enough. That's a clear distinction. Why don't you though? I don't think that is a reasonable expectation for any team. There is a lot of competition across the board. Michigan has a top coach, they're a top program historically, have all of the resources they could need, etc etc etc... but it is unreasonable to expect "dominance" anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 How woody sees harbaugh How I see harbaugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Sure thing. I imagine you also went from the "he'll never leave the NFL for Michigan!" to the "Well no one in the NFL wanted him anyway!" camps too... It was easy for him to leave the NFL for UM. He had no better offer. I'm sure the Raiders wanted him, or the Jets, or even the Bills, but he wasn't going there. And I don't blame him for that, those places are where coaches go to die. So he ran to UM until he gets a better offer. Just like he has done his entire coaching career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 It was easy for him to leave the NFL for UM. He had no better offer. I'm sure the Raiders wanted him, or the Jets, or even the Bills, but he wasn't going there. And I don't blame him for that, those places are where coaches go to die. So he ran to UM until he gets a better offer. Just like he has done his entire coaching career Oh god, your bias is just making you sound like an idiot. Yes, Harbaugh ran from all of his past jobs. How dare he succeed at each of his past stops and then use that success to move up... I am going to guess, after the success JH had in the NFL, a lot more than 3 teams were interested. Again, if he wanted to be in the NFL, he'd be there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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