dawgpounded Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 my only question on the few TE's that are left out there is do any of them have a chance to beat out the existing group? Top 3 left according to NFL network Rory Anderson South Carolina Anderson's athleticism and play speed is what NFL teams dream of when looking for tight ends to threaten vertically and create matchup problems underneath. While he needs to add more weight to his frame, Anderson shows the blocking fundamentals to be considered a legitimate combination tight end in the NFL. Anderson's biggest concern on draft day and beyond looks like it could be his recurring triceps injuries. Nick O'Leary Fla.St O'Leary has the competitive spirit and toughness that teams look for in a dual-threat tight end, but he lacks the physical traits. Based on how Florida State used him, he is an easy projection to an H-back spot where he should be an effective move-blocker and pass-catcher. Ben Koyack Notre Dame Underutilized in the passing game while at Notre Dame. Strong understanding and execution as a run blocker with the physical traits to be a tough matchup in the passing game. Still raw as a receiver and will need more individual work with a position coach on the next level. College production belies his pro potential. A guy I like that we can probably get in the 6th or 7th Blake Bell Oklahoma A newly converted tight end who was a short-yardage specialist and red-zone brute for the Sooners as a quarterback. Bell was looked over by scouting community during the regular season, but he has flashed sure hands and shown improvement as a blocker and could have an NFL future if a team is willing to be patient with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Tour - do you think it might be possible they have in mind to put Erving into Bitonio's spot and move him over to RT? Something Flugs and I agree upon... no, don't see that. But Greco sliding out to RT could be an option. His technique and veteran savvy might work there... he certainly has the punch to play OT. You're fine. For all the pre-draft research and goodies you contribute to this place - I think you've earned the right to question if there weren't healthier choices available. I disagree about the versatility thing getting overblown especially walking in our shoes as a fan base. Aside from that, I've seen instances of quite a few guys that couldn't handle 1 role but could provide reliability in another (which is the opposite of versatility). For example, both Tony Mandarach and Robert Gallery were overwhelmed as OTs before settling in as reliable/good OGs. Greco's first few quarters at Center in a fill in role looked like we found our replacement for Mack that easily. Our next opponent had 1 week to identify and exploit any vulnerabilities; and they did that enough for us to see Greco back at Guard the very next game. I DO realize part of that was our replacement at RG was a train wreck from a guy we hoped offered us some position flexibility. Nice history lesson... only lacked the name of the true issue vs. JAX... Paul McQuistan... and the knowledge that he was the problem. My grade for him that week was -26. He went from RG vs. JAX to the waiver wire after pausing at the our bench for the balance of the season. That many/ most players cannot handle both inside and outside O-line positions is not news. I could go on, but won't as I've earned that right, too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beare Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Finally a Wr but yikes left Mcbride and Diggs to take a slow Wr known to drop balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I like how Mayle Plays and we are seeing a trend here with the receiver additions this off season. All three additions are 6-2+ I think this is a great idea with Manziel and also the commitment to running the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yep....big and strong is what we need.....small and fast we have in spades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hopefully we can snag DeAndre Smelter in the 6th (would be IR in Year 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Hopefully we can snag DeAndre Smelter in the 6th (would be IR in Year 1) ha....well looks like someone else likes him too....POOF!.....gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Something Flugs and I agree upon... no, don't see that. But Greco sliding out to RT could be an option. His technique and veteran savvy might work there... he certainly has the punch to play OT. Nice history lesson... only lacked the name of the true issue vs. JAX... Paul McQuistan... and the knowledge that he was the problem. My grade for him that week was -26. He went from RG vs. JAX to the waiver wire after pausing at the our bench for the balance of the season. That many/ most players cannot handle both inside and outside O-line positions is not news. I could go on, but won't as I've earned that right, too... Not sure why you're getting snippy when I thought I was complimenting all your draft research and contributions... I did indeed talk about the RG which appears right in the very last sentence of the cut and paste you used from me above your reply. Here's a second cut and paste of that since you never read it the first time: I DO realize part of that was our replacement at RG was a train wreck from a guy we hoped offered us some position flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I saw that... Just pointed out that the name was McQuistan... and he was the problem. Not sure why you're so defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 It's a good problem to have....... I think Bowie & Schwartz are RT.....and Erving competes with Greco and provides the depth we so desperately needed last year... Maybe he sits a year to learn.... or maybe he owns it right out of the gate....but we all should sleep better having him I think that's right... having starter quality depth on the bench for a year is a great problem to have. One thing not mentioned about Cam that I've seen is his prowess snapping the ball. Had some ridiculously high accuracy figure snapping to a QB in the gun the vast majority of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 I saw that... Just pointed out that the name was McQuistan... and he was the problem. Not sure why you're so defensive. Really? Let's take another look at what you actually wrote: and the knowledge that he was the problem. It's amazing how much those 2 words in bold mean in terms of whether you wanted to be insulting or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yup... you thought there were other factors... there weren't. Plunked that out of all your usual extraneous bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yup... you thought there were other factors... there weren't. Plunked that out of all your usual extraneous bullshit. Nope, just understood the other 50% of the truth included the reality Greco got moved right back to OG just 1 week later. Sounds like somebody needs a Snickers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 You're fine. For all the pre-draft research and goodies you contribute to this place - I think you've earned the right to question if there weren't healthier choices available. I disagree about the versatility thing getting overblown especially walking in our shoes as a fan base. Aside from that, I've seen instances of quite a few guys that couldn't handle 1 role but could provide reliability in another (which is the opposite of versatility). For example, both Tony Mandarach and Robert Gallery were overwhelmed as OTs before settling in as reliable/good OGs. Greco's first few quarters at Center in a fill in role looked like we found our replacement for Mack that easily. Our next opponent had 1 week to identify and exploit any vulnerabilities; and they did that enough for us to see Greco back at Guard the very next game. I DO realize part of that was our replacement at RG was a train wreck from a guy we hoped offered us some position flexibility. As much as a Joel Bitonio comes in makes a smooth transition from OT to OG - guys like Gilkey, Pinkston and Lauvao failed miserably. I don't care what Daniel Snyder wants to pay Lauvao (after thinking the character of Albert Haynesworth was worth of 100 million $) - his inconsistencies from 1 play to the next here were maddening. While there's plenty of examples of former college tackles settling in well at OG - there's plenty more that never made NFL teams or found Poseiden Adventures like Cleveland. Guys like Oneil Cousins don't stick around because they're versatile - they stick around because there's lines like we had in 2013 or Tampa had in 2014 welcoming experience as the lesser of all evils. Been there - done that - rinsed and repeated from 2011 through 2013. The Steinbachs and Bitonios have been rare enough to appreciate. All that said, moving from Tackle to Guard seems easier than moving from one of those spots to Center (especially when you add in the role of lines calls on play side and back side and it's communication process). While college is different than the NFL like you said - it's still advantageous to have a guy that's made the transition in terms of what I just mentioned. I'm going to attach the link of the press conference Farmer and Pettine had about our first round picks. In particular, Pettine isn't talking about Erving competing with Seymore and McDonald. He's talking about him competing with our right side for a starting job, which implies we would have drafted somebody else at a different position if such an expectation was felt. I'm taking that to mean they think he has better upside than what we've been going with. We'll see how immediate and accurate that is real soon. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Pettine--Farmer-Creating-An-Identity-Up-Front/4d1c65ac-2c29-41d7-92f6-c03b7cf39942 I thought I'd bring our "simple" football disagreement back to my original reply. A lot of us appreciate Steinbach and Bitonio because they're the former Tackles were able us our best Guard play here. Guys like Pinkston, Gilkey, Lauvao, Cousins, and McQuistan haven't exactly given us the Barbara Streisand version of "The Way We Were" all the time in between Steinbach and Bitonio. For the most part, it doesn't matter if people played football or they didn't on a message board. I enjoy reading posts from diehard fans that take their passions to unparalleled levels of studying up the draft and evaluating players via PFF. If I had all the answers why would I care about reading a message board? Not only that, there's a ton of guys in here that are far better posters than I am - plus I don't have the time I used to have for research. The last thing I want to do in here is make enemies with passionate Browns' fans. Steeler fans can go play leapfrop with a unicorn for all I care. Having said all that, if I can apply some of my 10 years of playing experience (8 of those as an offensive guard) inclusive of countless football camps along the way punctuated with 4 years of getting paid to coach at the high school level - I'm hoping I can at least share why position flexibility on the offensive line in Cleveland isn't overblown all this time it's eluded us. Today's NFL is going to eat up guys like Garret Gilkey coming from a world where they rarely had to trap and pull into a league where they have to far more frequently against far more superior athletes that study film. I don't know what was tipping our opponents off about Gilkey at the line of scrimmage; but my guess was it was a slight rock back in his stance or a lean anytime he needed to short trap or pull. Teams were swarming us in the backfield any time he wasn't asked to drive block straight ahead. Another thing he never got was you cannot belly back from the line of scrimmage or you're going to interfere with playaction fakes within the counter trap, which happened more than once with him. If we were already struggling to run all our former Houston Texans practice squad RBs straight ahead behind our Guards - then our guards better at least offer us an ability to trap and pull. I get that a lot of teams that had good front offices between Steinbach's last snap in 2010 were finding flexible guys Cleveland couldn't until Farmer drafted Bitonio. When we get right down to it - Steinbach wasn't even drafted by Cleveland. We signed him as a proven veteran ready to play his best football. Today, we're excited we drafted Erving with our 2nd pick just as we were excited we drafted Bitonio with our 3rd pick in 2014. I definitely want this to be a franchise that identifies the types of guys who can offer us the position flexibilities we've longed for. I'm finding it pretty easy to trust Farmer today. At lunchtime I listen to a sports radio show that features Greg Cosell once a week. There's a passionate fan in Nashville who watches a lot of film in cyberspace as he studies up the draft and reminds locals Andy Levitre was a massive FA disappointment. Cosell agreed with some thing before cautioning there's a big difference between breaking down coach's film he has unlimited access to and the types of film available to fans online. One has a tendency to follow the ball almost exclusively, while the other has access to what's shaking out on the backside. He also said you can't just limit an evaluation of a player to just 1 or 2 games and make all your conclusions from that; because different matchups have different game plans. He gave an example of a LBer that looked so bad - he didn't want to see any more film on him. Later on, he went back and saw 4 different games of him sporting way better 1st step instinct. I like to think of Nate Solder's forgettable day against Cal that required his 6'8" frame to consistently bend against a compact sized edge rusher with explosiveness he wasn't accustomed to. Lucky for him, the team that drafted him didn't make all their conclusions off of 1 matchup. They saw a former TE with LT experience with the athleticism to project exactly what they needed on Brady's blindside in the near future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 When Mr. Flugels talks oline, it's like Blanton Collier talkin football. The only problem is, Flugs,.... "Steeler fans can go play leapfrop with a unicorn for all I care." I had to google "leapfrop" and nothin came up - but agree with you anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldBrownsFan Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 "Steeler fans can go play leapfrop with a unicorn for all I care." I had to google "leapfrop" and nothin came up - but agree with you anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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