BrownieMan Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Are you serious? We better have a good plan for getting a WR. Either 1st round, 2nd round, or a big free agent. I am not going to be happy about a Miles Austin/Taylor Gabriel WR core next year. Read it here: http://walterfootball.com/draft2015rumorsteams.php I sure hope that guy is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Are you serious? We better have a good plan for getting a WR. Either 1st round, 2nd round, or a big free agent. I am not going to be happy about a Miles Austin/Taylor Gabriel WR core next year. Read it here: http://walterfootball.com/draft2015rumorsteams.php I sure hope that guy is wrong. Our WR corps was more than serviceable this year. It's the QB that is the issue. Either get a QB or get a true #1. It's time to stop trying to Moneyball the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Good, the Browns have too many other needs. A first round wr is a wasted pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Good, the Browns have too many other needs. A first round wr is a wasted pick. I agree. On O, receiver is the least important position. I say that because in order for them to max out, every other position has to be playing well. If your QB, O-line, or running game is weak, receivers can be neutralized fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Doesn't bother me at all. There's plenty of wide receiver talent to be had in the 2nd round and beyond. Your leading receiver for the SuperBowl winner was drafted in the 7th round and the SuperBowl runner up was undrafted. This fad of having flash at the skill positions you think would wear thin by now. If you're solid in the trenches, your skill players automatically become that much better. Give me DL/OL/LB/ in the 1st depending on BPA then Coates or Devin in the 2nd. Then one more receiver in the later rounds. If the Oline stays healthy along with Crow and West, the receivers will be the least of our concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I agree with qb/OL/DL. Neither Superbowl team had a true #1 receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 How much more clear does Farmer have to get on his philosophy when it comes to WRs? That said, and maybe I am alone here, but not "targeting" a WR does not mean to me that will absolutely not pick one... does not even mean we won't pick one relatively high... which for Farmer would be Day Two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 WR is a shiny hood ornament. Farmer is right to go OL/DL/QB in 1 and 2. All of the Seahawks WR were undrafted, and the Pats' earliest was a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree. On O, receiver is the least important position. I say that because in order for them to max out, every other position has to be playing well. If your QB, O-line, or running game is weak, receivers can be neutralized fairly easily. Farmer's belief is that a WR is only only touches the ball 6-8 plays per game. Which is true. Of course, it is nice to have that long ball when you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree with qb/OL/DL. Neither Superbowl team had a true #1 receiver. The QB won't be there though that could make a difference. But then.....look at the QBs in the game yesterday......a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder. and consider: Bart Starr 17th round. George Blanda: 12th round Roger Staubach 10th round John Unitas 9th round Bob Waterfield 5th round Van Brocklin/Jurgenson both 4th round Tarkenton and Montana 3rd round (but of course, by far the most HOF QBs were taken in round 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacosman Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I know he would be expensive and we would have to overpay(relative to Dallas and other more desirable places) to get him, but watching Johnny throw to dez Bryant would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Quarterback and wide receiver duos always had a great supporting cast for all the great nfl teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusKing Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Just fail for cardale God damnit get a beast o line and a beast defensive front seven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7moses7 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 with 2 first round picks Farmer should get a starting DT and DE to fit on that pourous run defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 The QB won't be there though that could make a difference. But then.....look at the QBs in the game yesterday......a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder. and consider: Bart Starr 17th round. George Blanda: 12th round Roger Staubach 10th round John Unitas 9th round Bob Waterfield 5th round Van Brocklin/Jurgenson both 4th round Tarkenton and Montana 3rd round (but of course, by far the most HOF QBs were taken in round 1) And don't forget, you're going back some way there, to an era where there was much less scouting, and what scouting there was wasn't as sophisticated - how much 'coaches tape' was readily available in the 60's and 70's, for example? The combine as we know it wasn't around until the mid 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Shelton and McKinney or OL fill our Largest needs. WR's Sammy Watkins to Odell Beckem it's a total Crap shoot.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 The QB won't be there though that could make a difference. But then.....look at the QBs in the game yesterday......a 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder. and consider: Bart Starr 17th round. George Blanda: 12th round Roger Staubach 10th round John Unitas 9th round Bob Waterfield 5th round Van Brocklin/Jurgenson both 4th round Tarkenton and Montana 3rd round (but of course, by far the most HOF QBs were taken in round 1) Definitely true. I didn't mean to imply qb is the first on the list. I just lumped those positions together. To me those are top priority in any order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 And don't forget, you're going back some way there, to an era where there was much less scouting, and what scouting there was wasn't as sophisticated - how much 'coaches tape' was readily available in the 60's and 70's, for example? The combine as we know it wasn't around until the mid 80's. All that 'sophistication' really paid off in the recent Browns drafts......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 DL, OL and ILB depending upon free agency losses and pickups. WR has several decent ones under the radar this year we can get after those first 3 needs are filled IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Just for the record the Browns have an all pro number one receiver. The team plays better when he is suspended. Another great reason not to cut him! WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Just for the record the Browns have an all pro number one receiver. The team plays better when he is suspended. Another great reason not to cut him! WSS Just keep him permanently stoned? For the good of the team, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 In the championship round there was one WR on all four teams combined that was a first round pick. That guy, Hakeem Nicks, was nothing more than a depth guy for the Colts who played zero role in their season or the playoffs. I've been preaching to anyone who will listen that WR is absolutely not a position to draft in the first round unless the value is incredible. The best teams do this and so should the Browns. Strengthen the defense, anchor the line and then find your WR corp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 But you shouldn't use just one example to make a conclusion... like with a lot of positions, it's a hit or miss. It depends on a lot of things... can a team sign good free agents because they are a playoff team? How badly does a team need to upgrade the wr's they have, through the draft, if not through FA? Does a team have most of the pieces in place, but they need that #1 wr? Green has been a star for the Bengals... I think the most dramatic addition to the Browns this year, would be a star wr to replace Gordon. I think that guy is White. Here's a pretty cool list of first and second round wr's.... http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/05/03/4884867/nfl-draft-a-decade-of-wide-receiver.html#.VNDqUGjF-rU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 In the championship round there was one WR on all four teams combined that was a first round pick. That guy, Hakeem Nicks, was nothing more than a depth guy for the Colts who played zero role in their season or the playoffs. I've been preaching to anyone who will listen that WR is absolutely not a position to draft in the first round unless the value is incredible. The best teams do this and so should the Browns. Strengthen the defense, anchor the line and then find your WR corp. I agree, but it's not like that's a cut and paste strategy that works for every team. Even the two championship teams have very different strategies. Tale a look at their starting players' draft positions in the trenches. Seahawks- Russell Okung LT - 1st round pick by Seattle James Carpenter- LG - 1st round pick by Seattle Max Unger C - 2nd round pick by Seattle J.R. Sweezy RG- 7th round pick by Seattle Justin Britt RT - 2nd round pick by Seattle Michael Bennett LE - Undrafted by Seahawks Tony McDaniel DT - Undrafted by Jaguars Kevin Williams DT - 1st round pick by the Vikings Cliff Avril RE - 3rd round pick by the Lions Patriots - Nate Solder LT - 1st round pick by the Patriots Dan Connolly LG - Undrafted by Jaguars Bryan Stork C - 4th round pick for Patriots Ryan Wendell RG - Undrafted by Patriots Sebastian Vollmer RT - 2nd round pick by Patriots Rob Ninkovich LE - 5th round pick by the Saints Vince Wilfork DT - 1st round pick by the Patriots Chris Jones DT - 6th round pick by the Texans Chandler Jones RE - 1st round pick by the Patriots The Seahawks invested heavily in their offensive line, with two first round picks, two second round picks, and then a draft gem in 7th round pick J.R. Sweezy. In contrast, the Patriots offensive line features only one first round pick, one second round pick, one fourth round pick and two undrafted players. Seattle's defensive line (in a four man front) features two undrafted players, a 3rd round pick and one first round pick. Only one player on the Seahawks defensive line was drafted by Seattle. Their talent is accumulated at DT and RE, with Williams and Avril. The Patriots are slightly similar, they have their best talent at one DT position and then at RE. Only those two players were drafted by the Patriots. Everybody here is so fucking hung up on draft position. Oh, first round this, first round that. You never take this player in this round because x. It's stupid to take a player at this position because so-and-so team didn't do it and look at their success. There are an infinite number of variables that can be to blame for why one team is good and another isn't - not just because one team has a first round something and the other team doesn't. We don't need to draft two offensive guards with our first two picks just because Seattle has one. We don't need to wait until the 6th round to take a quarterback because the Patriots experienced success with Brady. We need an identity and, more importantly, we need to stick with it. You take whatever player you need, when you need him, if you believe he is the best prospect for the identity you're trying to build. If that's a smash-mouth running team, you don't need to invest in an early WR, you need to invest in an offensive line. If you want to build a read-option, vertical threat team, you better get a receiver that can stretch the field and attack the ball and a quarterback who can run the system. The Panthers couldn't run the Patriots offense just like the Patriots couldn't run the Panthers. You give nearly any coach 5-6 solid years to build his foundation and draft his own players to fit his own scheme with no interference from management, I'm sure he can field a championship level team. That's why the Patriots can stay at or near the top despite having completely different personnel. The personnel they do have fits the overall identity Belichick wants to run. Imagine if the Seahawks fired Carroll after he only won 7 games in his first year. He just happened to get lucky, because 7 wins that season was enough to win the then-shitty NFC West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Well there go my Hopes for Jaelen Strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 There's a strong group of WR's in FA this year.....id hope to see Farmer to tab one from this group and save those higher picks for the non skill need positions.....DL - LB - OL..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 I agree, but it's not like that's a cut and paste strategy that works for every team. Even the two championship teams have very different strategies. Tale a look at their starting players' draft positions in the trenches. Seahawks- Russell Okung LT - 1st round pick by Seattle James Carpenter- LG - 1st round pick by Seattle Max Unger C - 2nd round pick by Seattle J.R. Sweezy RG- 7th round pick by Seattle Justin Britt RT - 2nd round pick by Seattle Michael Bennett LE - Undrafted by Seahawks Tony McDaniel DT - Undrafted by Jaguars Kevin Williams DT - 1st round pick by the Vikings Cliff Avril RE - 3rd round pick by the Lions Patriots - Nate Solder LT - 1st round pick by the Patriots Dan Connolly LG - Undrafted by Jaguars Bryan Stork C - 4th round pick for Patriots Ryan Wendell RG - Undrafted by Patriots Sebastian Vollmer RT - 2nd round pick by Patriots Rob Ninkovich LE - 5th round pick by the Saints Vince Wilfork DT - 1st round pick by the Patriots Chris Jones DT - 6th round pick by the Texans Chandler Jones RE - 1st round pick by the Patriots The Seahawks invested heavily in their offensive line, with two first round picks, two second round picks, and then a draft gem in 7th round pick J.R. Sweezy. In contrast, the Patriots offensive line features only one first round pick, one second round pick, one fourth round pick and two undrafted players. Seattle's defensive line (in a four man front) features two undrafted players, a 3rd round pick and one first round pick. Only one player on the Seahawks defensive line was drafted by Seattle. Their talent is accumulated at DT and RE, with Williams and Avril. The Patriots are slightly similar, they have their best talent at one DT position and then at RE. Only those two players were drafted by the Patriots. Everybody here is so fucking hung up on draft position. Oh, first round this, first round that. You never take this player in this round because x. It's stupid to take a player at this position because so-and-so team didn't do it and look at their success. There are an infinite number of variables that can be to blame for why one team is good and another isn't - not just because one team has a first round something and the other team doesn't. We don't need to draft two offensive guards with our first two picks just because Seattle has one. We don't need to wait until the 6th round to take a quarterback because the Patriots experienced success with Brady. We need an identity and, more importantly, we need to stick with it. You take whatever player you need, when you need him, if you believe he is the best prospect for the identity you're trying to build. If that's a smash-mouth running team, you don't need to invest in an early WR, you need to invest in an offensive line. If you want to build a read-option, vertical threat team, you better get a receiver that can stretch the field and attack the ball and a quarterback who can run the system. The Panthers couldn't run the Patriots offense just like the Patriots couldn't run the Panthers. You give nearly any coach 5-6 solid years to build his foundation and draft his own players to fit his own scheme with no interference from management, I'm sure he can field a championship level team. That's why the Patriots can stay at or near the top despite having completely different personnel. The personnel they do have fits the overall identity Belichick wants to run. Imagine if the Seahawks fired Carroll after he only won 7 games in his first year. He just happened to get lucky, because 7 wins that season was enough to win the then-shitty NFC West. I hear what you're saying, but that still doesn't really change my mind. I get what you're going for and I don't inherently disagree. I'm very much of the mindset to have a BPA approach in terms of positions of need-which WR is clearly one. However, if I'm looking at the draft sitting there at #12 and there's equal value at DT or OLB/DE and WR, I'm taking the former two in a second. This appears to clearly be the approach of Farmer as well and some of the top teams in the NFL. I'm not going to shake my fist if we take a 1st round WR (I think Davonte Parker is the dude this year) but without a QB the whole point is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domcucch1994 Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Absolutely ridiculous!Take a fucking wideout, they need one badly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Absolutely ridiculous! Take a fucking wideout, they need one badly!!! Hey we could use a kicker. Let's use the first pic on that. Oh and since Pontbriand retired we could use another All Pro long snapper. So there is pick one and two of the first round. Thanks for thinking of it. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Hey we could use a kicker. Let's use the first pic on that. Oh and since Pontbriand retired we could use another All Pro long snapper. So there is pick one and two of the first round. Thanks for thinking of it. WSS Since the Browns have 10 picks....I would definitely consider a kicker in like round 6-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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