wargograw 363 Report post Posted November 17, 2015 Talent is more important than coaching generally. I mean, sure, if you're a bona fife Retard of a coach, yes you can ruin great talent. But for the most part if you stay out of the way they'll be fine. Les Miles is known as a pretty terrible coach but he does ok because he recruits lights out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Talent is more important than coaching generally. I mean, sure, if you're a bona fife Retard of a coach, yes you can ruin great talent. But for the most part if you stay out of the way they'll be fine. Les Miles is known as a pretty terrible coach but he does ok because he recruits lights out. Maybe......sure the P5 conferences are going to have better talent than the WAC/MAC etc. But within the P5 I still think coaching is the primary factor. Alabama has been the better SEC team because of coaching.....not because the talent it recruits is oh so much better than the talent Georgia/Florida/Auburn/LSU etc. Ohio State has been better than Mich. MSU, Penn St., Nebraska etc. because of coaching, not talent. Pete Carroll ruled the P-12 when there. That school does not rule so much now.....because of coaching. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wargograw 363 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Alabama has something like 5 straight #1 recruiting classes (depending on where you look). Of course Saban is good, but it's recruiting that makes them what they are. Of course, they are at a point now where their image is so good to recruits that they have to make sure they're taking kids that don't want to merely come in and bask in the glory, rather than work to add to it. Ohio State has recruited better the last 15 years than their fellow Big 10 programs. They also recruit nationally more, I believe. Pete Carroll had Ed Orgeron, probably the best recruiter in the country, while he was at USC. Made a huge difference. He killed it in recruiting in the early 2000s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted November 18, 2015 Alabama has something like 5 straight #1 recruiting classes (depending on where you look). Of course Saban is good, but it's recruiting that makes them what they are. Of course, they are at a point now where their image is so good to recruits that they have to make sure they're taking kids that don't want to merely come in and bask in the glory, rather than work to add to it. Ohio State has recruited better the last 15 years than their fellow Big 10 programs. They also recruit nationally more, I believe. Pete Carroll had Ed Orgeron, probably the best recruiter in the country, while he was at USC. Made a huge difference. He killed it in recruiting in the early 2000s. Well, it is sort of a chicken and egg situation......but I still think Bum Phillips said it best about coaching.....specifically about Don Shula. He said: "he can take his'n and beat yer'n and he can take your'n and beat his'n." Now, Texas boy.....you go argue with Bum Phillips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted November 22, 2015 https://twitter.com/J_Schneider/status/668167057024921600 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Bolt/Five-star-RB-Kareem-Walker-commits-to-Buckeyes-during-title-game-34689365 So, funny story, guess who just committed to Michigan? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 So, funny story, guess who just committed to Michigan? Boba Fett? Why don't you just fucking tell us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 Whatever....OSU still has what is considered Top recruiting class: http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2015/12/15/10218752/ohio-state-recruiting-2016-class-rankings-alabama-lsu-michigan And, as I said before.....it doesn't matter who has the #1 or #5 class......it is what you do with them coaching wise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 17, 2015 Boba Fett? Why don't you just fucking tell us. Maybe read through this thread. You'll figure it out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 Maybe read through this thread. You'll figure it out Maybe if you just tell us outright you won't come out looking like such a douchebag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gftChris 427 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 LOL. No longer a 5* recruit though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 I'm just saying... We had the OP pumped this guy committed to OSU. He posted a whole thread about it. With all of the good vibes going to Michigan at the time, he wanted to crush them. Then the recruit started looking around... Then he decommitted... Then he started looking at Michigan... Then he committed to Michigan. It blew up in the OPs face. I even said his commitment was way too early to mean much haha. I'm just enjoying it, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gftChris 427 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 Well don't get too carried away. The moral fibre of a kid flip flopping because he sees a team not being as dominant as it was I wouldn't be too excited about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 How do you know that's why he decommitted? Do you have any evidence to back that up? A TON of recruits decommit when they commit they early. If anything we just have a better opportunity for early playing time. Don't take Cysko's path of immediately shit talking the kid and his commitment... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gftChris 427 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 How do you know that's why he decommitted? Do you have any evidence to back that up? A TON of recruits decommit when they commit they early. If anything we just have a better opportunity for early playing time. Don't take Cysko's path of immediately shit talking the kid and his commitment... I forget sometimes how easy it is to troll you. I can see why others do it Deep breath woody, it's only a game! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LogicIsForSquares 999 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 I forget sometimes how easy it is to troll you. I can see why others do it Deep breath woody, it's only a game! That recruit really sucks. Amiright?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 I'm just saying... We had the OP pumped this guy committed to OSU. He posted a whole thread about it. With all of the good vibes going to Michigan at the time, he wanted to crush them. Then the recruit started looking around... Then he decommitted... Then he started looking at Michigan... Then he committed to Michigan. It blew up in the OPs face. I even said his commitment was way too early to mean much haha. I'm just enjoying it, that's all. Well....even to this day it is not final.....maybe he too will be a double douche and change his mind again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gipper 2,538 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 How do you know that's why he decommitted? Do you have any evidence to back that up? A TON of recruits decommit when they commit they early. If anything we just have a better opportunity for early playing time. Don't take Cysko's path of immediately shit talking the kid and his commitment... Well.....apparently his commitments don't mean much....now do they? So maybe a little shit talking about his commitments is warranted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 I forget sometimes how easy it is to troll you. I can see why others do it Deep breath woody, it's only a game! I think you're overreacting to my reaction. If you think that response was getting a rise out of me... Lol I think any time I respond in the CFB thread someone will claim they trolled me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 Well....even to this day it is not final.....maybe he too will be a double douche and change his mind again. He very well could. Nothing is official until he signs the dotted line Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 18, 2015 aaaaaaand he's signed. He is going to enroll early Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cysko Kid 1,027 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 I wouldn't trust that friendship very much. After all, it's not just me that sees that he's a flip flopper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 I wouldn't trust that friendship very much. After all, it's not just me that sees that he's a flip flopper. You're right, other OSU fans do too, lol. I find it hilarious you're attacking his character because he didn't choose your school. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wargograw 363 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Congrats on getting him. I didn't know coaches could comment on early enrollees. Saw Greg Little last Friday. Absolutely dominant. Ole Mi$$ replaced Tunsil well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Do you have any QBs left though? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cysko Kid 1,027 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 I'm attacking his character because he committed and then de-committed. I could care less where he plays football. He's a goddamn high school kid. Apparently you are not familiar with the definition of commitment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 19, 2015 Apparently you aren't familiar with recruiting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wargograw 363 Report post Posted December 20, 2015 Do you have any QBs left though? Nah, who needs those? Sumlin is a joke. But yeah, we have Blinn transfer Jake Hubenak and a walk-on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Cysko Kid 1,027 Report post Posted December 20, 2015 Apparently you aren't familiar with recruiting Commitment woody. I expect you know nothing about what it means. Crow over your high school running back. Literally no one cares. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLD Woody 760 Report post Posted December 20, 2015 Commitment woody. I expect you know nothing about what it means. Crow over your high school running back. Literally no one cares. I didn't start thr thread, I'm just adding to it. And again, I don't think you follow recruiting much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
