WPB Dawg Fan Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Here it is: Is Derek Anderson a QB possibility for the Lions? by Tom Kowalski | Opinion Thursday February 19, 2009, 10:00 AM AP File PhotoThe Cleveland Browns' Derek Anderson may be a safer choice for the Detroit Lions than drafting a quarterback. INDIANAPOLIS -- If the Detroit Lions are interested in Matthew Stafford, it would make sense that they also would be interested in Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson. They're basically the same guy, right? Both are young players who have rocket arms and still struggle with bouts of inconsistency. The biggest difference is Anderson already has shown that he can play at the NFL level -- he went to the Pro Bowl in 2007 -- and will come much cheaper than Stafford. The Browns, who already have Brady Quinn as their starting quarterback, are looking to trade Anderson, but they can't do it until after March 13, when Anderson is scheduled to earn a guaranteed $5 million bonus. Because the money is guaranteed, the Browns can't cut Anderson to avoid it. It also means that the Browns can't trade Anderson before March 13 because no NFL team wants to be on the hook for it. (Enter conspiracy theory: the Lions just restructured the contract of Daunte Culpepper, reducing his roster bonus that was due on Feb. 27 and pushing it back. The Lions don't have to pay a penny to Culpepper until the middle of March (and that's presumably a weight clause when the offseason program opens on the 16th). The restructured contract makes it easier for the Lions to cut Culpepper.) Back to Anderson. While Stafford would cost the Lions about $32 million in guaranteed money as the No. 1 draft choice -- and there's a question of whether he'd be ready to start in the opener -- the Lions would only have to pay Anderson a salary of $1.5 million for the 2009 season. And there's no question Anderson would be ready to play. His MCL knee sprain from last year (by the latest account) did not require surgery and Anderson has 27 career starts over the last three years. And Anderson is still quite young -- he'll turn 26 in June of this year. One drawback to Anderson is that he gets a huge pay increase in 2010, going up to $7.5 million with a roster bonus of $2 million. But if Anderson proves to be the guy, a long-term contract could be worked out. Anderson, who threw 29 touchdown passes and 19 interceptions in 2007, wasn't as effective last season with nine touchdowns and eight interceptions in nine starts in a year that went wrong in a lot of ways for the Browns. Anderson comes with some risks, but perhaps not as many as Stafford. And trading for Anderson means the Lions still have the flexibility of using those top draft picks on other positions to help solidify the team. It's something the Lions need to think about. The thing is...the Lions have a ton of picks to work with: Rd 1: #1 Rd 1: #20 Rd 2: #33 Rd 3: #65 Rd 3: #82 I am sure they could come up with something that gives them the QB and a number of other pieces...without paying for a #1 selection QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solon16 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Makes alot of sense...Moneywise. They also go get a franchise left tackle and bolster the D with #20 pick...If we could get #33 for DA I'd be orgasmic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewDago Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 i think it's more likely they'd throw us their high third and maybe their fourth, i think their fifth, or the low third and definitely the fourth. that second-round pick is far too valuable to a rebuilding franchise for them to give it up. the first pick of the second is a great place to grab a really talented guy who slides, and a smart GM wouldn't part with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckofajobbrownie Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Would you rather give that #20 pick for Cassel or Anderson? I'd guess they'd rather deal it for Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencyguy Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yeah that 33 pick would be a homerun slam dunk hail mary TD extravaganza for the Browns FO. We could make some serious headway in making our team contenders for next year. If only Millen was still there...I believe that Martin Mayhew, otherwise known as the guy who got the Cowboys to hand over a #1 for Roy Williams--got the "interim" part of his title taken off (as he should have, after getting the Cowboys to hand over a #1 for Roy Williams--think about that one for a second). It might be a taller order to get him to agree to give up #33 for a guy that they should be able to get for less. That said, with a ton of picks, if they're leery of handing over the reigns to a rookie--and a young one in Stafford, at that--I could see how #33 could be seen as a "value trade" for them. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 i think it's more likely they'd throw us their high third and maybe their fourth, i think their fifth, or the low third and definitely the fourth. that second-round pick is far too valuable to a rebuilding franchise for them to give it up. the first pick of the second is a great place to grab a really talented guy who slides, and a smart GM wouldn't part with it. Ah, but they can afford to part with that 2nd. They have 2 1st round picks. They get their early second round guy at 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefellswoop7 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 This actually makes tons of sense for the Lions. But, are they that smart? There are no home-run QBs in this year's draft and with the chance that a 1st round turns bust...wasting a 5 year jumbo contract would screw them for many many years. Take DA grab two core guy at #1 and #20 (LT & LB?DL or something)...spend way less and make some progress in the first year of rebuilding. This is a very smart way to rebuild a team and progress. Teams that want to turn it around in one year...fail. Ala Detriot haha. I'd LOVE to have #33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewDago Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 just because they have the extra picks doesn't mean they think DA is worth what's essentially a first-round pick. that's a guy who should step in and start immediately, not just someone to keep the seat warm for the next guy. if they were to send us that pick, i think it'd be because they viewed DA as a long-term solution and would be a signal that they don't want to take the huge risk that drafting stafford would be. would you guys rather have a single higher pick or two lower ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Let's put it this way... If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick. At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT. At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE. So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Pick #65 would be a steal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Let's put it this way... If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick. At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT. At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE. So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford. You can throw in the financials of what DET will have to pay out in signing bonus money to 2 1st rounders and a high 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YtownBrownsBacker Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JewDago Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Let's put it this way... If you think Stafford and DA are close to interchangeable...but DA is cheaper...then you have to look at the value of what you can get with the #1 pick vs what you could get with the #33 pick. At #1 you can get the TOP LT. At #20 you get the 4th, and #33 gets you the 5th best OT. At #20 you can get one of the top OLB/DE/WR/ILB or the top TE. So, if you really believe that DA=Stafford (on the cheap), you would be losing massive amounts of talent at the other positions if you did draft Stafford. it's a great argument. let's hope they see it that way, too, and think that stafford and DA are the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefellswoop7 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'll take #65 if they pay the $5 mil bonus. I'd take #33 if we pay the bonus. I seriously don't see any team paying the 5 mil. We're backed up against a wall and other teams have the leverage in terms of this bonus. They will just wait until we are forced to pay it since cutting him would do us no good. #33 is a bit high for DA in my mind but #65 is far too low. You can;t afford to pay what is essentially 3 1st round picks if you're DET. QB is a risky position even with the #1 pick. The draft is NOT stacked and FAs are few. DET could make major steps and solve some financial issues by going a route like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Dick Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 The last things the lions need is another awful QB. -- But we'll take the draft picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA. Man, this seems to be a deep draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdaM Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 At #65 you could pick up a center like Jonathan Luigs or Antoine Caldwell. That would be a steal for DA. Man, this seems to be a deep draft. The league probably wouldnt even allow the trade because they would like to see the lions improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Well there is no more Matt Millen, so they might 1) do something smart 2) not draft another WR. I could swear Matt Millen has down syndrome. I could see their second rounder coming to us and we give them DA and a 5th or something like that. Or our 2nd round and DA for the #20th. Not to sure on the lower part of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osusev Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets..... That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract. Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games....... Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted February 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets..... That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract. Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games....... Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors. Ummm, in case you haven't noticed...we are quoting RELIABLE SOURCES that these discussions are going on. We are no longer just speculating. So, despite your decree that it makes no sense....if there is smoke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets..... That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract. Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games....... Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors. There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdaM Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 There are plenty of FA QBs on the market that can give CLE what they got from DA over his last 16 starts. Shit, they can go sign Frye and get a QB with a 72 QBR over his last 16 starts. I just hope some GM around the league thinks 29 TDs in a season while ignoring the majorty came in his 1st 8 starts that year. Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing! Because you're right on both accounts, still curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NebBrownsFan Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yes this is SOOOO logical... 3 mediocre to bad games against poor defenses is enough to bet our entire franchise on when BQ is being paid backup money so financially the total investment in our qb position is well within normal yearly budgets..... That makes SOOOO much logical sense. lets not have a backup plan when we have another 26 year old who did win 10 games and has thrown 29 tds in a season already under contract. Makes SOOO much logical sense. Lets take our qb roster down to just 1 guy so we can negotiate from a position of weakness for other backup qbs.... New coach and GM want to bet it all on a high draft pick and 3 games....... Yes for all of you hot to trade DA for some unknown reason must be extroadinary gamblers and investors. So, having a rating over 100, on 1 or 2 days of practice, is mediocre? If you want mediocre performances, just look at MOST of DA's games. You spout off about his 29 TDs, but go look at the defensive ratings of the teams he got most of those TDs against. That's assuming you can take yourself off DA's knob long enough to research that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Masters Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Are you saying DA gave us "shit"? Or are you saying.... Shit! they can resign Frye and get the same thing! Because you're right on both accounts, still curious. I was saying they can resign Frye and get the same thing, at least over the last 16 starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geech Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you. The question is whether or not DET thinks of DA as a starter or just someone who will come in and compete for the job. If I thought of DA as a starter, which I don't, it would make much more sense for me to give up the 33rd pick and not have to deal with $30+ million guaranteed on some rookie in this year's Draft. Plus, as others have already stated, I could get a bookend OT at #1 and a solid starter at another position with the #20 pick. -Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpeen Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Yeah that 33 pick would be a homerun slam dunk hail mary TD extravaganza for the Browns FO. We could make some serious headway in making our team contenders for next year. Seems high to me.....switching 2nd rounders and us gaining the 3rd rounder would be more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I believe that Martin Mayhew, otherwise known as the guy who got the Cowboys to hand over a #1 for Roy Williams--got the "interim" part of his title taken off (as he should have, after getting the Cowboys to hand over a #1 for Roy Williams--think about that one for a second). It's even worse than that: He got a first AND a third and a sixth (minus a seventh) for him ... AND Dallas already had an overrated player named Roy Williams. Go figure... Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcrow1945 Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I'd give up the 33rd pick in the Draft for a starting QB in a heartbeat...and so would you. One of the things to remember is the Lions offensive coordinator who is very much a rush oriented guy. He'll focus a lot on the running game. This is also why I think the Lions are not going Qb with their first pick. I wouldn't give up my 33rd pick unless I had no doubt that he was going to give me several years of really solid play. As in a case of a guy that had been playing three to five years and while he was solid, he was nothing spectacular either. An example I'm thinking of would be a Drew Bledsoe type of case where he may have lost his job because he got hurt and the guy that replaced him was too good to allow Bledsoe to be a starter again. Not that case specifically, but I hope you get my point. In DA's case I think there would have to be tons of doubt. The guy only started one year, and while he had great numbers that one year, he was so bad the following year that the Browns benched him. There just isn't much to hang your hat on there with DA.....And for the 33rd best player in college football? Wow....That would be a huge gamble. In the second round there's a chance they could pick up Josh Freeman or even Nate Davis in the third. The Lions are rebuilding so why not go with Orlovsky this year and build around a Freeman or Davis in the nest two drafts while he sits and waits and learns? If I were the Lions I wouldn't give away one of my many picks. Man, they could pick up 8 quality players in the next two drafts! Schwartz has placed himself in a good situation in Detroit....I just wish he was in Cleveland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaygroundLegend Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The real question, is... once we trade away DA's sorry ass to Detroit for potetially a low first rounder..... Who do we pick... becuase I could see us potentially scoring Maualuga and Curry... Thats would be rediculous no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WPB Dawg Fan Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 And the door opens a little wider in Detroit... KITNA TO BE CUT SOON Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2009, 6:53 a.m. The quarterback who sports a constant crew cut soon will be taking an involuntary haircut. Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com reports that the Lions will be releasing quarterback Jon Kitna. The team owes Kitna a $1 million roster bonus shortly after the start of the new league year. To avoid paying it, the team will cut him loose. In the interim, the team is trying to generate a trade market for the 36-year-old quarterback. Unfortunately, there will be plenty of age-challenged quarterbacks available in free agency; there’s simply no reason to trade for one. Kitna also is due to earn a base salary of $1.95 million in 2009, the final year of his contract with the team. So now they have resigned Culpepper to a contract (it wiped out the $2.5m bonus due in March) that basically will allow them to cut him before the draft without a cap hit...and are clearing another $2.95 in cap by dumping Kitna. They have Drew Stanton and Drew Henson still on the books...(Henson is due $535k and FA in '10, Stanton is due $525k and FA in '11, neither have ANY experience). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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