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Oh .. "the trailer" and "the ghetto" ... what ... No "Mom's basement"? Not going for the trifecta?

 

Thanks for reporting me ... to me, Dumbphuck.

 

I am giving the report full consideration.

 

Zombo

No problem, i figured you'd get a chuckle out of it. :P

 

Either way, it honestly does make this place look 2nd rate to have such behavior and corruption fits well with Cleveland's history.

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First off, I must say that it is atrocious the behavior being shown toward George. It is one thing to disagree and argue or even playfully jest, but to use foul language is quite sad. I'm not here to spout off at anyone, nor am I here to tolerate that. Any behavior displayed like that toward me will be reported and if this board wants to be taken seriously I hope the moderation realizes it looks awful bad when opposing teams come here to learn about your team.

 

 

what are you in church?

 

i agree, go fuck yourself.

 

this board is the best forum for browns talk anywhere. if you don't have a sense of humor or a man sack you're feelings might get hurt from time to time. it happens to all of us. even the browns' fans. we tolerate most anyone even steeler fans but we can't stand redundant hairy coont lips and people who hover above everyone else because they are so anointed with righteousness.

 

dominus opus cunnilingus mater. in latin that means flip off you mother jumper.

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No problem, i figured you'd get a chuckle out of it. :P

 

Either way, it honestly does make this place look 2nd rate to have such behavior and corruption fits well with Cleveland's history.

 

Cleveland doesn't care how it looks, and neither do we.

 

Tighten your chin strap, talk football, and quit talking about moderation if you want to stay.

 

Zombo

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Is it not true? Are you proud of the way your administrator behaves; like that of a child?

Um, they are not "my" administrators. It's their board and Im a guest here. Seen a lot of insults, been in some battles, but never once cried to the mods. Much easier to walk away, avoid, ignore, etc.

 

But to enter someone elses home and, immediately with the first sentence, lay down the law and scold them for their ways is really pretty rude.

 

Then you expect to proceed with a normal football discussion, as if you didn't just insult everybody in the room????....

 

Hey, if it was my house Id tell you to fuck off too

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Either way, it honestly does make this place look 2nd rate to have such behavior and corruption fits well with Cleveland's history.

 

2nd rate to what? a bill's board? now that's friggin hilarious!

 

and I do get to see a lot of the bills since they play the jets twice which i see locally and other games because i frequent bars that have all the games........and besides beating the jets handily they haven't shown me shit even with their good defense.

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for a bunch of tough guys you sure are getting your jimmies rustled.

 

 

 

what are you in church?

 

i agree, go fuck yourself.

 

this board is the best forum for browns talk anywhere. if you don't have a sense of humor or a man sack you're feelings might get hurt from time to time. it happens to all of us. even the browns' fans. we tolerate most anyone even steeler fans but we can't stand redundant hairy coont lips and people who hover above everyone else because they are so anointed with righteousness.

 

dominus opus cunnilingus mater. in latin that means flip off you mother jumper.

congrats on knowing latin. i grew up in ohio, so yeah i am used to the blue collar don't give a crap attitude. but don't expect me to spew it back, but i can take it. save it for someone else... but you guys are sensitive as hell.

 

 

2nd rate to what? a bill's board? now that's friggin hilarious!

 

and I do get to see a lot of the bills since they play the jets twice which i see locally and other games because i frequent bars that have all the games........and besides beating the jets handily they haven't shown me shit even with their good defense.

2nd rate to many other sites.

 

i am not comparing the bills to the browns other then for football

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that we seem to play each other every year made me finally join. that and there are only like two browns boards out there.

 

browns fans are all over ohio and spread about but they don't travel well and they don't have much of a presence on the internet. if it wasn't for manziel i don't think anyone would remember there is a team in cleveland at this point. it's sad state what espn and nfl network have become.

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that we seem to play each other every year made me finally join. that and there are only like two browns boards out there.

 

browns fans are all over ohio and spread about but they don't travel well and they don't have much of a presence on the internet. if it wasn't for manziel i don't think anyone would remember there is a team in cleveland at this point. it's sad state what espn and nfl network have become.

 

Are you fucking serious?

 

We took over Jacksonville, Atlanta and Nashville.

 

Zombo

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From a Bills poster who asked me to post this: (and he lives in Ohio and follows the Browns closely)

 

 

 

I find it funny that people throw the 2 Jets beat downs in the trash like they are meaningless. They were both on the road. Both following extended time off for Jets (mini bye and then real bye). Jets beat Steelers handily the game before us. The game prior to the last time we played they went toe to toe with the best team in the league in Foxboro. They aren't a terrible team, we have made them look like a terrible team. The only other game in which they were blown out like that was at SD. Meanwhile Jax has a rookie QB and their only win was against the Browns. In fact, the Browns got beat by another rookie QB this year, at home. In his first ever game. Mallett was barely touched all day. Neither game was close. The Bills home losses are all to playoff teams - NE, SD, KC.
Their offense has some weapons. None as good as Marshall/Jeffery/Forte/Bennett or Mega/Tate/Bush/Ebron, both with Franchise 1st rd pick QBs throwing to them. Yet, we found a way to win against both of those offenses. On the road.

Are the Bills a great team? No. But they are better than "oh look they beat the Jets twice!" They need to look at the whole season.
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62,

Thanks for the back up, but I think once you get to know these guys, you will like them.

Once you get to know them and how this board flows, it becomes very normal. Zombo has given me some rough Cleveland love, as have others, but I think I can call them friends. Just get past the language and insults. It's different, but it's very real.

I've been here a few weeks, and it did take some adjusting because this doesn't happen on most boards, but what you get here is pretty good football stuff from all involved, and that's what I'm here for.

 

We all love our teams, and we are on their turf, so we have to remain respectful of that, even if they call me every name in the book. They give, and they take it pretty good as well.

Bottom line... the football talk is damn good.

See? VERY well said George.

 

You know we all very fondly cant stand you and do enjoy the banter alittlesometimesbutnotreallymuchexceptmaybeabitthisweek

 

Thanks for settin him straight from the Buff side. And please tell him to limit the words to less than a thousand next time..........we......read......slow....(wink wink)

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Jacksonville could be taken over by a junior high school

 

if you travel well then why are there only a few hundred Browns fans at the Bills game????

 

Cause Bills fans don't give up their seats? Never said Bills fans weren't loyal. But you might want to do a recount this week.

 

Zombo

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See? VERY well said George.

 

You know we all very fondly cant stand you and do enjoy the banter alittlesometimesbutnotreallymuchexceptmaybeabitthisweek

 

Thanks for settin him straight from the Buff side. And please tell him to limit the words to less than a thousand next time..........we......read......slow....(wink wink)

its worth reading. i'm known for being wordy but detailed and knowing bills football

 

 

Cause Bills fans don't give up their seats? Never said Bills fans weren't loyal. But you might want to do a recount this week.

 

Zombo

Will do, but with ticket exchange, etc... i don't see the excuse working. you're 2 hours away, go scalp tickts.

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its worth reading. i'm known for being wordy but detailed and knowing bills football

 

Will do, but with ticket exchange, etc... i don't see the excuse working. you're 2 hours away, go scalp tickts.

 

 

I'm 24 hours away. Browns fans are all over. I am president of a Browns Backers club in a small city in Florida, we have 250 members and we need a second viewing location because we fill every seat in the house.

 

You want more Browns fans in Buffalo? This is the first meaningful game we played in Buffalo in forever, so I'm not sure what you are using as a barometer. But you'll have plenty there on Sunday.

 

Zombo

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First off, I must say that it is atrocious the behavior being shown toward George. It is one thing to disagree and argue or even playfully jest, but to use foul language is quite sad. I'm not here to spout off at anyone, nor am I here to tolerate that. Any behavior displayed like that toward me will be reported and if this board wants to be taken seriously I hope the moderation realizes it looks awful bad when opposing teams come here to learn about your team. If I am told to grow a set I will just laugh, if I am called a pussy, I will still laugh. I don't need to be bigger, stronger or smarter then anyone. I just like football and want to discuss it whilst reminding everyone that others here get a full display of your behavior and how ridiculous it is...

George seems fine to me. He seems to be decently liked around here, what do you not expect any ridicule for coming on a browns board?

 

There is not much about your team out there this year that is not "Manziel this" or "Manziel that." I am here for a better understanding from a Bills board, obviously. I think this game will be very fun to watch because it could be just an awful football game that no one really wants to watch. The kind where both QB's throw 3 INT's and no one really does anything worth cheering about. It could easily change if Watkins or Gordon get a breakaway, though. Or ST comes on from someone.

This saddens us, but we knew it was coming after we drafted him. But keep in mind, Hoyer has had a couple bad games - but he modus operandi is usually not throwing interceptions - even under pressure.

 

Obviously, I know my team better then your team, so I will speak with all due respect on what I know the best that I know.

 

First and foremost the Bills WR unit is vastly under appreciated here. Yes Austin, Hawkins and Gabriel are putting up good numbers and Gordon is now back but that does not take away from what Buffalo's WR's are capable of doing on the field. They're not all stars and they're not big names but I would not write them off simply because your unit is better. Our unit is a bunch of scrappers and they're pretty tough.

Nobody is undermining what the bills WRs are capable of, Woods and Watkins are both talented. But we were comparing units, so yea ours is better.

 

But, first at QB. I would like to believe that one day Manziel and Manuel with both be the futures of the franchise and take the teams to the playoffs but we are not there, yet. Orton has not been horrible, in fact he has been pretty good. You can't lean on him easily and you cannot depend on him against a top not DB unit. He is not going to lay down, though, and he is going to make some good decisions and get some tough passes out. He is good enough to not lose a ball game.

He has not been that bad (definitely better than Manuel). We do have a top notch secondary, though.

 

Our RB unit should not be cast off because Spiller is out and Jackson is banged up. Jackson is always banged out and has the will of twelve men. Dixon and Brown are both capable running backs to keep the ball moving and both offer a mix of speed and power to sustain drives. Dixon will break one free from time to time.

Our run defense has been inconsistent, but way closer to the bad side. If you beat us, I suspect it'll be on the ground.

 

The WR's, again, should not be overlooked just because the Browns are better. I laughed at the comparison earlier in this thread that matched the Bills WR's against the Browns WR's. WR's don't face off against each other, they face off against DB's. And against Pettine I am perfectly comfortable realizing that he does not do very well at scheming in the D backfield. His strength is in the box and he is lucky to have a good DB unit in Cleveland. If I am Buffalo I use two WR sets with one or two TE's from time to time. I go hard at the DB's and attack the center of the field and try to get Pettine to run his 3 safety set. With 3 safeties - one of them being Leonhard - the Bills will have limited ability to run but should be able to pick up the under routes and exploit the LB's. I really like Kruger and hoped the Bills would have brought him in with Daryl Smith a few years back, but they didn't. Anyway, Chandler is a blue collar lunch pale kind of TE who isn't a superstar or even just a star but he is a player and he's going to contribute to a victory - should the Bills be able to achieve one. If I am Buffalo, though, I attack the middle of the defense. I use the Bills speed to beat the Browns in this position.

Funny because the DBs are the shining spot on this defense, the box not so much - but we're also banged up up front. Our LBs have also covered pretty well. Gipsons injury helps you...he was having a pro-bowl year

 

On the OL I do not expect much success and that is not because the Browns are good. The Bills OL would get beat by 3 brown paper bags. So, if they merely sneeze they should be able to get pressure on the QB. But, as much as I do jest on the Bills I do realize they have been slowly getting better week after week. They're not going to be god awful, but I just don't know if they'll be any good disirregardless of how good the Browns DL/LB are. Orton can elude a sack but he can't do that all day, it will be interesting.

Our pass rush has shown flashes, but not consistently. Krugers having a solid year, and we have some speed.

 

On the DL for the Bills you realize we're pretty good. But, some times they sputter. Some times early they are slow out of the blocks. Cleveland needs to come out and smash the Bills early. West might not be the smash mouther to do this, but I expect the Browns O will try. Smash the Bills early and keep your eyes open for Gordon to break free throughout the game. It won't break the Bills back but it could score points. These Bills don't break and the DL is the reason why.

Our biggest weakness on an otherwise good OL is center, McDonald gets lost sometimes. When Mack was healthy it was much better.

 

The Bills LB's are surprising. Brown is not getting much attention but could be up there for DROY if I had anything to do with it. He has played 3 positions at LB and been successful at all of them in extreme circumstances. He has been picked on by some very good QB's (Rivers, Brady, Cutler and even Smith - Smith is not a great QB but can capitalize on poor play). Spikes does not play every down but when he does play he makes a difference. He will ring your bell. Bradham has finally emerged to NFL starting talent which is majorly important for the Bills. Even our backups are contributing with sacks, too.

No doubt, probably the strong spot on that defense - even scarier when you get Kiko back.

 

The DB's are going to be interesting this week as Leodis McKelvin is injured and IR'd. Graham moves up to starter and Gilmore pair up with Robey to form a good set of CB's that will make plays. I cannot say enough about UDFA 2nd year CB Robey. The guy appears out of no where just in time to make a big play. At S we have team leader Aaron Williams and Da'Norris Searcy/Duke Williams. The latter make substitutions from time to time and can allot for the biggest weakness from time to time. I see speed beating our safeties on a few trips down the field but our CB's aren't slow. It will be an interesting situation.

Better get a good pass rush. And again, if there's anything Hoyer does it's make good decisions and protect the rock. Although he made a few bonehead ones last game.

 

Matchups:

 

I really like that we are going to face Whitner. The guy is a punk. I like how he plays and hoped he would stay in Buffalo. I hoped he would come back, even. But, he is a liability on the field because of his attitude. I expect the Bills to goad him in to a penalty or two.

I don't recall really any penalties on Whitner this year. I'm sure there's been a few, definitely not many.

 

On D I like what our DT's will do against the interior OL of the Browns. At times many Bills fans have accused our DT's of disappearing. Lets see what happens this weekend when they need to show up.

I don't like what they may do against our interior OL

 

Mario Williams vs. everyone. Watt and Keuchly are the brands that are hot right now but I challenge you to watch this weekends game and tell me that Mario Wiliams is not playing the best D in his career and in the NFL. The guy is shutting down entire sides of the field. M. Williams has only given up containment three times this season that I can count. He stops runs to his side, gets to the passer from the outside edge playing a wide 9, even. He is all of the time stronger, faster, and more skilled then his opponents. Opposite him is Jerry Hughes. He is just as fun to watch.

 

Josh Gordon and the Browns WR's will do very well at moving across the field and eluding coverage schemes. Hoyer vs. the Bills DL will be important. If he can get the quick reads and stay alive long enough to let the required routes win then the Bills will be beat over and over on short yardage passing. That'll open up on a long route. It's up to the entire D to stop Hoyer. No one else. The RB's of the Browns should not be a factor unless something goes terribly wrong or the Bills come out with an awful game plan.

Hoyer's MO is quick reads, quick release. It's really where he seems excel. Oddly enough, Hoyer may not have the best completion percentage but he does have the best completion percentage on throws over 15 yards. The guy is smart, and has a quick release, usually makes a good decision. Accuracy (usually when off balance) has seemed to be the issue. Also, don't discount our run game.

 

What you'll like to watch:

 

The Bills DL. Would you believe that for at least 3 or 4 series a game Jerry Hughes Mario Williams, Kyle Williams and Marcel Dareus will be on the sidelines? They'll be replaced with Who?-Who?-Who?-Who? They also go by Wynn - Charles - Bryant - Lawson. You may remember Manny Lawson from Cleveland and last year. He has been pretty good throughout his career and continues to shine. This unit accounts for 5.5 sacks. That may not sound like much but for only playing 15-20% of the D snaps that's pretty impressive in my mind.

 

Conclusion:

 

The Bills will be hard pressed for a win but the Browns won't come by one easily. I expect the game to be too close to call.

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$560 , no nostop for a weekend in Buffalo in late November.

 

Or ... Watch with 100 of my closest friends on a big screen with delicious pizza and beer in my 78* and sunny town.

 

I'll give it some thought.

 

Z

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This is gonna be a tough ass game in Buffalo. Beginning of the season I'd say this one was in teh bag no question but now with our depletion, I really dunno. That defense is obviously better than ours. If we don't pressure Orton though I don't think we win. If he's allowed to wait for Sammy to get open...we don't win. I have no idea who their RB is cause I know Spiller's hurt....and normally I would be like ok that works for us...but since we've let practice squad shrubs have contract inducing games against us all season, I can't be sure we won't be run all over either. This game could go spectacularly bad or, if we establish the run and grind them....we could have the game in the bag by the end of the 3rd. I just dunno.

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No problem, i figured you'd get a chuckle out of it. :P

 

Either way, it honestly does make this place look 2nd rate to have such behavior and corruption fits well with Cleveland's history.

It's a bunch of guys talking about football, and you're say what exactly? To watch our language?

 

The fuck you think this is? Quit being such a fucking cunt ass bastard and man the fuck up. Eat shit and die otherwise.

 

-With love, a browns fan who doesn't give two god damned shits about what he says in a little forum makes him look like.

 

:)

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You have to have a thick skin to survive this board if your an opposing teams fan. If you can actually talk football and learn to let some stuff roll off, youll probably come to find that this is one of the greatest football boards around.

 

Ive pretty much said every game up to this point that whoever runs the ball the best wins, and may hold true this game also. The wildcard for me is having Gordon and Cameron + our run game + PAP. could be unstoppable. I think both teams match up pretty well although our front 7 has been decimated. Also how our secondary holds up with gipson out will be huge. Gipson to leanord is a HUGE dropoff. Fred jackson has been one of my favorite and underrated RBs in the leauge over the last 5 years. Should be a hell of a game. Will be a huge road win for us if we manage to pull it out.

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I stopped reading after the that opening paragraph reprimand.

 

A simple "hello" would have been so much better.

I'll ditto this.

 

The shitter of it is new Bills guy, you made some pretty valid points about our teams and the matchup in your initial epic prologue.

 

But before that you shit in the yard and tracked it through the house.

 

I dunno man, do a little research first, get the lay of the land. I really like this board, but it's not for everybody, and l like that it's not for everybody.

 

So l'll be happy to talk football with you after l unruffle my panties.

 

You fuckin' panty ruffler you.

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It's a bunch of guys talking about football, and you're say what exactly? To watch our language?

 

The fuck you think this is? Quit being such a fucking cunt ass bastard and man the fuck up. Eat shit and die otherwise.

 

-With love, a browns fan who doesn't give two god damned shits about what he says in a little forum makes him look like.

 

:)

Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

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Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

Or maybe some random guy shows up on a browns forum and starts bitching about the members of said forum and their foul language. In which those members respond with overly foul language, as a joke. See the irony? I don't think you do, it seems to me you have no sense of humor what so ever. Cleveland fans are funny, you should stick to making chicken wings.

 

Fucker. ;)

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Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

For fucks sake, quit talking about the language and start talking football.

 

You are two more lame posts like that from having your name changed to Randy Ballgobbler.

 

Z

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Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

 

I think I can actually communicate more clearly (at least be more convincing) using curse words. Do you really expect to be on a board full of passionate browns fans and not see curse words?

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Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

Who the fuck are you, Miss fucking Manners? Piss off homo and talk football or go back to wherever you came from.

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Using curse words and foul language does not show intellect, it shows a poor grasp of the English language and generally an inability to communicate.

 

It's not about how you look on a forum, it reflects the mantra used in life and it should not be the credo on a Browns football forum.

Thats the dumbest fuckin shit ive ever read....laugh my fucking ass off!! Remove the giant tree from your ass and you might have some motherfuckin fun beeeotch

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So, no one is discussing football and their jimmies are rustled. I am fine with the language but it is petty. I am on /b so much that it doesn't phase me, I've seen things no one can imagine.

 

Should I shift the talk back to football or not?

 

Another guy to watch on the Bills is Dan Carpenter. The Bills are the only team in the league who employ a kickoff specialist, Jordan Gay - formerly the punter on the Panthers in preseason. (which makes it interesting should either our punter or kicker get injured). Carpenter has been having a terrific season and it could matter in this game.

 

On ST the Bills have a few guys that are standouts - Marcus Easley, DaNorris Searcy, Boobie Dixon, Larry Dean, and Ron Brooks fill up our special team standouts.

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