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I think y'all will like Shaw. I actually was hoping the Panthers would grab him to groom as Cams backup. Watched quite a few of his games, and while I'm not sure that hell ever be a star, I think he will be an effective QB, and a exceptional 2nd guy.

 

As far as JF, I'm praying for y'all that he turns out. I can not stand Steelers fans, I was born in north central WV, so I had to deal with those people growing up. Thank goodness I moved to Charlotte the same year we got our team. We've been through some tough times, but nothing like you have. Hopefully now you have found a QB, as we were blessed to get one.

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When you have two QBs you really have none. So when you have three you sit and hope the Bills can do something they haven't done since 1985 which is get a #1 pick...

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27-4 at South Carolina ... hmmm ... Johnny was 20-6 at Tex A&M ... same conference, right?

 

Yup, same conference. Make of it what you will.

 

Contrast Shaw's post game interview with Hoyer's and Manziel's and tell me who you want leading your team from a LEADERSHIP point of view.

 

Hoyer Post Game

 

Manziel Post game

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I think y'all will like Shaw. I actually was hoping the Panthers would grab him to groom as Cams backup. Watched quite a few of his games, and while I'm not sure that hell ever be a star, I think he will be an effective QB, and a exceptional 2nd guy.

 

As far as JF, I'm praying for y'all that he turns out. I can not stand Steelers fans, I was born in north central WV, so I had to deal with those people growing up. Thank goodness I moved to Charlotte the same year we got our team. We've been through some tough times, but nothing like you have. Hopefully now you have found a QB, as we were blessed to get one.

You got Derek Anderson to back up Cam.....what more could you possibly want?

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First post here. Just wanted to add some comments to the discussion about Connor and if you all have any specific

questions, I may be able to supply some answers for you. I've been a South Carolina Gamecock fan for over 40 years

and our win loss history has been "average" at best over 100 years. The past 5 seasons at SC have been the best in

the history of the program and Connor Shaw has been one of the kids who have made that possible. Until Shaw came

to SC, we had only one season in 113 years with double digit wins. Connor took over the starting QB spot midway

through his sophomore season (2011) and the Gamecocks have gotten 11 wins in each of his 3 years as our starting

QB. He set the win record by a wide margin for a starting QB, and set the record for passing eff. and QB rating.

What you saw last night is what Connor has done since taking over the offense for the Gamecocks. He's also led the team

to three consecutive post season bowl wins (first in school history as well.

Connor is a devout Christian young man with a very disciplined upbringing. His dad was in the Military, and was also

his HS football coach. He will not cause the Browns any grief with off the field issues if he does make the roster and I can

tell you from personal viewing of this young man for four seasons. ... HE IS A WINNER. HE WILL DO WHATEVER IT

TAKES TO IMPROVE HIMSELF AND HIS GAME.

 

I am a moderator on a non pay Gamecock forum and have volunteered to do practice updates on he team during the spring

and fall for the South Carolina Gamecocks. I've done this for over 8 years now, and I told our guys in the practice update when

I first saw Connor Shaw run the offense in practice .... "This young man is the future of the Gamecock Offense". For the type of

player he was , and more importantly for the type of individual Connor Shaw is, I really hope he is able to make your roster this

fall. He deserves it for what he did for the Gamecocks and I know for a fact he will make the Browns an outstanding QB if given

the opportunity to develop there. ...... BTW, he was team mates with Spencer Lanning who is a personal friend of mine, and

if you know his personality, you know what kind of person you are getting in Connor Shaw as well.

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Spurticus.....you didn't think Joe Morrison was better than SS? And that QB they had when Morrison was coaching...blond kid, can't remember his name. Good player. Thought he would make a good pro, but he didn't. (he may have been a Connor Shaw type).

 

I saw him play live some time back in the mid-late 80s.

 

Morrison was very popular. The man in black with his "Fire Ant" defense, which would swarm all over the field.

 

The reason I know of him is that my in-laws retired to SC (Chapin on Lake Murray), and they would attend the games with friends/neighbors. Also, Morrison was a native of Lima, Oh......and my father-in-law grew up in neighboring St. Marys Oh. So there was a bit of a kinship there.

 

Morrison coached Sterling Sharpe.....and I can't recall this QBs name

I think he got into some trouble....or he was injured and his career cut short.

 

I don't think it was Steve Tanneyhill, though it may have been him. Who were some of the QBs that preceded Tanneyhill?

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you're talking about Mike Hold.

Mike was an outstanding "Blue Collar" type QB for the Gamecocks in 1984-1986,

but Mike had a tendency to get careless at times. Mike played with some excellent

skill guys during that time too, but IMO, would have done better with a more solid

O/line in '85 and '86. Mike was solid, and with a strong arm, but Connor (athletically)

is on a level way above Mike. .... My favorite QB (one of my favorite all time Gamecock

Athletes) was Jeff Grantz who was the QB from 1974 to 1976. I even made the comparison

between Grantz and Shaw several times during Shaw's freshman season. Until

this past season, I told everyone that Grantz was the best Gamecock QB I ever saw

in my lifetime. ... I changed that statement with Shaw being the best I've seen since

I started following SC sports in 1965. The guy is THAT GOOD. Shaw may not make

the Browns roster, and may not make an NFL roster, but it won't be for lack of heart.

I do hope Connor can make an NFL roster. The guy deserves to continue his dream,

but if he doesn't make it, he will be successful in whatever he does in life. He's that

kind of character, and has already told Gamecock nation that if it doesn't pan out

in the NFL, he's going to join the Military. You have a special kind of talent and

individual there in Connor Shaw. Hope he continues to impress you all the way he's

impressed SC for four seasons now.

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Great name.. Spurticus...total porn name.

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Morrison coached Sterling Sharpe.....and I can't recall this QBs name

 

It was Todd Ellis. He's now and Attorney in Columbia and South Carolina's Play by Play announcer.

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you're talking about Mike Hold.

Mike was an outstanding "Blue Collar" type QB for the Gamecocks in 1984-1986,

but Mike had a tendency to get careless at times. Mike played with some excellent

skill guys during that time too, but IMO, would have done better with a more solid

O/line in '85 and '86. Mike was solid, and with a strong arm, but Connor (athletically)

is on a level way above Mike. .... My favorite QB (one of my favorite all time Gamecock

Athletes) was Jeff Grantz who was the QB from 1974 to 1976. I even made the comparison

between Grantz and Shaw several times during Shaw's freshman season. Until

this past season, I told everyone that Grantz was the best Gamecock QB I ever saw

in my lifetime. ... I changed that statement with Shaw being the best I've seen since

I started following SC sports in 1965. The guy is THAT GOOD. Shaw may not make

the Browns roster, and may not make an NFL roster, but it won't be for lack of heart.

I do hope Connor can make an NFL roster. The guy deserves to continue his dream,

but if he doesn't make it, he will be successful in whatever he does in life. He's that

kind of character, and has already told Gamecock nation that if it doesn't pan out

in the NFL, he's going to join the Military. You have a special kind of talent and

individual there in Connor Shaw. Hope he continues to impress you all the way he's

impressed SC for four seasons now.

No love for Joe Morrison?

 

Like I have said elsewhere, Connor could follow the pattern set by Brian Sipe (except Sipe wasn't nearly as ugly).

I do like this kid Shaw and I would like to see him kept here for development.

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It was Todd Ellis. He's now and Attorney in Columbia and South Carolina's Play by Play announcer.

Yes, that was him. I remember Hold too....but it was Ellis who more flambouyant was thought to be a pro prospect. Did he ever play pro....or did injuries prevent that?

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Well one things is clear, in no way do people on this board overreact in dramatic ways

Well, Ricky, Johnny has his sycophants and Shaw has his. And if either becomes a championship caliber QB for the Browns I will take it either way.

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I really liked Coach Morrison, but had he not died shortly after the 1988 season, the program

would have been set back about 5 years. Morrison got our only double digit win season in 1984

and had two back to back 8 win seasons in '87 and '88 (those I think were our toughest teams ever)

but we were being investigated for a steroid scandal that implicated Morrison and some of his

coaching staff at the time. He died of a heart attack in the winter of 1988 and the NCAA basically

dropped the investigation after that, or at least didn't come down on the school for violations, Some

of the coaches were charged individually.

 

I love what Coach Spurrier has done here at SC. He's got a "ego" for sure and has a tendency

to get the school in the news for some of his verbal jabs at other schools and coaches, but he's

done that since his days at Florida, and he's been able to back up his mouth. I have come to learn

that when Coach Spurrier is talking junk, he's happy about the development of his team, so I like

it when he's "mouthy". Morrison was a good coach, but had our BOT and Ath. Director been different

in the early 80s when Jim Carlen was there, I think Carlen would have done things with the program

that would rival what Spurrier is doing with USC now. Our "powers that be" wanted a yes man in

charge of the team, and a guy that kissed up to the rich Athletic Club members and Carlen wasn't

that kind of person. He was very outspoken and when things weren't right, he made them known.

That's what got the man fired after several 7 and 8 win seasons.... for our program, that was doing

well back then.

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Ellis was (and still is) the leader for QBs in total yards. Morrison changed from the Veer offense to the Run and Shoot

to try to entice Ellis to come to SC and it worked. Todd had a strong arm and was a good QB, but Todd also holds the

record for most interceptions in the school's history. When Todd was on he was ON... on the bad days, it was painful

to watch him play. I liked Todd as a QB here. He's now the Play X Play guy for our radio team during the season, and

does a lot for the school and the football program. He and Tommy Suggs (QB in the early 70s) are the broadcast guys

for the Gamecocks. ...... They have some classic calls involving some of Shaw's finer moments (of which there were

many). Take some time to look them up on youtube if you get a chance.

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You got Derek Anderson to back up Cam.....what more could you possibly want?

I actually like DA, but he's getting older and this is a young mans game. He did what he was brought in to do, helping to mentor Cam, and he done a admirable job. Don't forget, the Panthers had planned to take Russel Wilson as Cams back up, but was gone before the round they had planned to take him (think they had him a a 4th rounder). That's the MO of this regime, bring in a solid vet to mentor a high draft pick, unless one is already on the roster. DA for Cam, Cotchery and Avant for Benjamin, and we already had Thomas Davis and Jon Beason for Luke Kuechley. That's also part of the reason Steve Smith is no longer there. As much as I love Smitty he was a me first guy, and wouldn't play well with others.

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I really liked Coach Morrison, but had he not died shortly after the 1988 season, the program

would have been set back about 5 years. Morrison got our only double digit win season in 1984

and had two back to back 8 win seasons in '87 and '88 (those I think were our toughest teams ever)

but we were being investigated for a steroid scandal that implicated Morrison and some of his

coaching staff at the time. He died of a heart attack in the winter of 1988 and the NCAA basically

dropped the investigation after that, or at least didn't come down on the school for violations, Some

of the coaches were charged individually.

 

I love what Coach Spurrier has done here at SC. He's got a "ego" for sure and has a tendency

to get the school in the news for some of his verbal jabs at other schools and coaches, but he's

done that since his days at Florida, and he's been able to back up his mouth. I have come to learn

that when Coach Spurrier is talking junk, he's happy about the development of his team, so I like

it when he's "mouthy". Morrison was a good coach, but had our BOT and Ath. Director been different

in the early 80s when Jim Carlen was there, I think Carlen would have done things with the program

that would rival what Spurrier is doing with USC now. Our "powers that be" wanted a yes man in

charge of the team, and a guy that kissed up to the rich Athletic Club members and Carlen wasn't

that kind of person. He was very outspoken and when things weren't right, he made them known.

That's what got the man fired after several 7 and 8 win seasons.... for our program, that was doing

well back then.

I was never under the impression that Morrison was anyone's "Yes Man". He sure did not come off that way.

Are they still doing the Also Sprach Zarathustra intro? Morrison started that I believe.

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DA is the perfect example of why you cant rate a quarterback based upon a few games or a single game or a few series, etc.........DA was a lot like Weeden. Has an amazing arm, but makes poor choices. Often. Gotta say tho, he was absolutely amazing every once in a while......Plus, he threw some the prettiest laser sharp rocket like interceptions Ive ever seen!!!

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Morrison started it, but it was actually presented to Morrison by way of

Tommy Suggs. Suggs liked it after seeing Elvis Pressley open one of his shows in

Columbia with it, and Suggs suggested it to the Athletic Director at the time. He

got the band to do it on the field and it didn't go over real well. ... Morrison was

a big Pressley fan as well, and Morrison suggested that they take Suggs Idea

and instead of letting the band play it and bring the team in, they do it like Elvis

did it at his show, and play it over the PA at the stadium to bring the team out.... I was

at the game against North Carolina in 1983 when we did that for the first time... It

was electrifying and has been the team's intro ever since. Still get goose bumps

thinking about JoMo when they play that

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I don't think Connor is starting material for the Browns right now. I think Hoyer personally is the guy

that gives you the best chance of winning right now, or at least making the offense click as good

as it possibly can. My comments about Shaw were made from a personal "investment" I've had

by watching Connor play for South Carolina for four years now, and from knowing what kind of

heart and work ethic he has. He will not regress in his efforts, or get complacent at some point when

he gets better (and he will get better). He will constantly work on his game and work to improve on

what he can improve on. Given the chance Shaw will become a very good QB at this level and even

though I'm a Green Bay Packer fan myself, I'd love to see Connor playing in a Browns Uniform

or at least get the chance to catch the eye of some other team in the immediate future if he doesn't

end up staying here. He's a smart kid and a very talented individual. He'll give you 100% of what

he's got. The man can play !

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Two foolish issues with the discussion about Shaw:

 

1. Everyone says Shaw looked good against the Redskins scrubs....big deal.........the same scrubs Manziel looked like shit against!

 

2. Regardless of how bad Hoyer and Manziel looked, you can't turn to Shaw at this point of the season.

No one is even debating those facts. We are simply talking about a kid on the roster that some day could have a future.

You never know, people...players...QBs have come out of obscurity to excel. I mean the leading passer, by yards, in Browns history was taken with draft pick #330.

I mean, your boy Donnie Shell was a UDA in a draft where 442 players were chosen.

 

So, quit being such a knuckledragger that cannot understand the spirit of a conversation.

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I don't think Connor is starting material for the Browns right now. I think Hoyer personally is the guy

that gives you the best chance of winning right now, or at least making the offense click as good

as it possibly can. My comments about Shaw were made from a personal "investment" I've had

by watching Connor play for South Carolina for four years now, and from knowing what kind of

heart and work ethic he has. He will not regress in his efforts, or get complacent at some point when

he gets better (and he will get better). He will constantly work on his game and work to improve on

what he can improve on. Given the chance Shaw will become a very good QB at this level and even

though I'm a Green Bay Packer fan myself, I'd love to see Connor playing in a Browns Uniform

or at least get the chance to catch the eye of some other team in the immediate future if he doesn't

end up staying here. He's a smart kid and a very talented individual. He'll give you 100% of what

he's got. The man can play !

Let me guess, you became a Packer fan because of Sterling Sharpe?

(but you know, my father in law was also a Packer fan as he taught school for many years in Racine Wisc. before retiring to SC in the early 80s. For a while he was a big supporter of SC before health disallowed him from attending the gamest as regular.

Hell, you may have known him)

Al Widner.

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The Con Man bringing down over 72% on Cleveland.com poll on who should start.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/which_quarterback_should_start.html#incart_most-comments

 

It's 2014 and the fans want an undrafted free agent to start the season at QB.

 

Please, somebody save us ....

 

Zombo

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The Con Man bringing down over 72% on Cleveland.com poll on who should start.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/which_quarterback_should_start.html#incart_most-comments

 

It's 2014 and the fans want an undrafted free agent to start the season at QB.

 

Please, somebody save us ....

 

Zombo

Unreal.

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