Legacy Fan Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Where do they have the Quran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Who knows. They could all just be under religion though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It was probably the woodpecker on his summer internship. You know you're desperate when you start copying cal's "insults"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 You know you're desperate when you start copying cal's "insults"... No no no. It is clever and it really gets me down. I might leave this board now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Hardly desperate. I find you two amusing kids. Like to fuck with your infantile minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Smh, just because we don't agree with you politically doesn't mean we're "infantile". Hurling insults at strangers is infantile, if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Truth hurts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legacy Fan Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Who knows. They could all just be under religion though That'd be fine with me. To be honest I couldn't care less what "category" Costco, or any merchant places the Bible in. Mine's an app on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schopenhauer Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Used to manage bookstores in Columbus... We had just rearranged the layout of the store and literally had every book off the shelves moving them around, total overhaul... Next day a well-dressed fellow comes up to me dead serious and asks to show me something on the shelves. "Ok, lead on," I say. He takes me down an aisle and points to The Diary of Anne Frank. I say, "yes, I'm familiar with it." Then he points to the sign for the section it was in..... "FICTION". I chuckle and say "That ain't right, I learned that in 8th grade" and retrieve the book from the shelf and head toward NONFICTION or BIOGRAPHY, when he stops me again and asks me if I am aware that there are people who are trying to discredit The Diary of Anne Frank and say that it is a work of fiction and that the holocaust never happened and demands to know if this is part of that. Again, he is totally serious and a little mad, you can tell. I apologized and admitted that we had just rearranged and that it was embarrassing to manage clerks who obviously didn't know the difference. Seriously, if you asked these clerks to box some books for you they would find the hugest box in the store and load it with 250 pounds of books that no one else could even push let alone lift. They just weren't critical or practical thinkers, yet neither were they neo-nazis...just ignorant and a little lazy frankly. The guy was still miffed and unbelieving. So, I have first-hand experience of people screwing this type of thing up by accident and others getting mortally offended by it. Yet, as the manager, it was on me to check their work and right any "wrongs". Maybe CostCo would have found the misplaced Bibles eventually, maybe their placement in FICTION was just so idiotic that no one thought to look for them there. In my stores, they could always be found under RELIGION. What I doubt is that CostCo was trying to alienate Christians, who are roughly 75% of ANY buying population. It's just bad business IMHO. There are companies that wear their religion on their sleeves..just don't know that CostCo is one of them from my experience. Talk about fun with books, I managed stores during the OJ trial and his "I Want to Tell You" book, that book got more people up in arms and angry than this Bible controversy... Then there was the time the mob (as in Goodfellas) in Columbus wanted to make me the Porn King of Dublin, Ohio. But that is another story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I doubt Costco did that on purpose. They are running a business and trying to make money. Being a fucking wise guy to a good bit of your consumer base is not the best of business decisions. Probably some employee stocking shelves did it and some butthurt-ready christians wandered past it. Stories of christian persecution (waka! waka!) are everywhere around christmas time. An aside, I am an atheist. I don't care which cartoon character is your favorite so long as you don't try to use the scriptures of Mickey Mouse to legislate people of all faiths/no faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 2 new guys on the same day? (I'm hoping it isn't you know who and his cousin) Anyway logic, just about every one of our laws is based on someone's morality. Just because you might not like the idea that Christianity might be one of those sets of morality doesn't mean its not widespread. If you're an atheist I assume you are an Obama supporter and he, and his party, has referenced Christianity in terms of our responsibility to tax the rich and give more to what he calls the poor.I'm not opposing the idea of helping the poor, exactly, just pointing out that's a huge part of American society and based upon Christianity. Or the Gospel according to Mickey whichever you prefer. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 2 new guys on the same day? (I'm hoping it isn't you know who and his cousin) Anyway logic, just about every one of our laws is based on someone's morality. Just because you might not like the idea that Christianity might be one of those sets of morality doesn't mean its not widespread. If you're an atheist I assume you are an Obama supporter and he, and his party, has referenced Christianity in terms of our responsibility to tax the rich and give more to what he calls the poor.I'm not opposing the idea of helping the poor, exactly, just pointing out that's a huge part of American society and based upon Christianity. Or the Gospel according to Mickey whichever you prefer. WSS Most religions have a pretty similar 'core' of morality - no killing, stealing is bad etc. It turns out that most people have those core morals as well. Just because the law coincides with a lot of christian morality doesn't mean it's based on it, in America at least - wasn't one of the founding principals about separation of church and state? That the USA should be a secular country with freedom of religion? If so, basing the laws on the morality of the bible seems a bit hypocritical. That being said, I dare say most lawmakers in America would identify themselves as Christian which will of course influence their morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 actually Chris, no, the so called separation of church and state was not one of our founding principles. Even though I sent a cle believe that our founding principles was that the richest colonists decided King George wouldn't be able to successfully enforce his taxation and that money could be kept for themselves, the separation of church and state didn't show up, I believe, until the 18 hundreds Catholics from Spain and France threatened the power structure of the Protestant majorityty. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 actually Chris, no, the so called separation of church and state was not one of our founding principles. Even though I sent a cle believe that our founding principles was that the richest colonists decided King George wouldn't be able to successfully enforce his taxation and that money could be kept for themselves, the separation of church and state didn't show up, I believe, until the 18 hundreds Catholics from Spain and France threatened the power structure of the Protestant majorityty. WSS OK, so it's been a thing for hundreds of years - so presumably any particularly religious rules (such as working on the sabbath etc) should have been removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Also, 'so called' separation of church and state? I guess you're trying to belittle my point, but really? That's the part you're going to pick on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 OK, so it's been a thing for hundreds of years - so presumably any particularly religious rules (such as working on the sabbath etc) should have been removed? No idea. I suppose you could make me a list that would bother you. it seems to me that just recently many of the people who would probably be grumbling about working on the Sabbath being put into law were the same ones bitching that Wal Mart dared make them work on Thanksgiving Day. I'm not even a Christian, as you may have gathered, but I think the separation of church and state has gotten out of hand. I think as a nation we often over react to the complaints of unpleasant minorities such as the atheists who seem to enjoy nothing more than being a thorn in someone else's side. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 2 new guys on the same day? (I'm hoping it isn't you know who and his cousin) Anyway logic, just about every one of our laws is based on someone's morality. Just because you might not like the idea that Christianity might be one of those sets of morality doesn't mean its not widespread. If you're an atheist I assume you are an Obama supporter and he, and his party, has referenced Christianity in terms of our responsibility to tax the rich and give more to what he calls the poor.I'm not opposing the idea of helping the poor, exactly, just pointing out that's a huge part of American society and based upon Christianity. Or the Gospel according to Mickey whichever you prefer. WSS I don't think anyone said the don't like Christianity might be a set of morality our laws are based on. Even though most religions are very similar. If anything, a lot of that just boils down to our instincts. I mean, we know killing another human is bad. It is bad to thin our numbers. Do atheists have to be Obama supporters? Why? All politicians will reference Christianity to some degree. Whether or not they actually care about Christianity, they will say they do as to not isolate all of the very religious people that this country has too much of. Also, through the limited number of posts that I have seen, I like the new guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Then there was the time the mob (as in Goodfellas) in Columbus wanted to make me the Porn King of Dublin, Ohio. But that is another story... Do share! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koalabazooka Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Most religions have a pretty similar 'core' of morality - no killing, stealing is bad etc. It turns out that most people have those core morals as well. Just because the law coincides with a lot of christian morality doesn't mean it's based on it, in America at least - wasn't one of the founding principals about separation of church and state? That the USA should be a secular country with freedom of religion? If so, basing the laws on the morality of the bible seems a bit hypocritical. That being said, I dare say most lawmakers in America would identify themselves as Christian which will of course influence their morality. Yeah, almost all of the Enlightenment-influenced Founding Fathers were either deist or atheist. "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782 “This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.” - John Adams Being no bigot myself, I am disposed to indulge the professors of Christianity in the church that road to heaven which to them shall seem the most direct, plainest, easiest and least liable to exception. - George Washington The Puritans who founded America left Britain to escape religious persecution from the Church of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Not quite sure why being an atheist would make me an Obama supporter. I am a libertarian so I don't fall on to either team. I think they are both full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Not quite sure why being an atheist would make me an Obama supporter. I am a libertarian so I don't fall on to either team. I think they are both full of shit.no other reason than your hard core atheist demographic usually trend liberal. I doubt you find many fundamentalist Christians within the ACLU. I don't think it's a stretch to imagin that.a couple of my go to examples are as follows:. The upstate New York Fire Department that was sued by the ACLU for having a Christmas tree at the firehouse. Some asshole called and filed suit because he could see it through the window and it offended him. Example: number 2 big expensive court battle near here in Stow Ohio because some jerk off decided he was offended that the seal of the city had a book on it that he assumed was the Bible. Since we hear stories similar to that nearly every day around this time of the season it's not a big leap to assume that some people are anti Christian and Christmas. It's these kind of ridiculous actions that make Christians and non-christians, like myself, I think that the atheist and ACLU are largely a bunch of dicks. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 no other reason than your hard core atheist demographic usually trend liberal. I doubt you find many fundamentalist Christians within the ACLU. I don't think it's a stretch to imagin that. a couple of my go to examples are as follows:. The upstate New York Fire Department that was sued by the ACLU for having a Christmas tree at the firehouse. Some asshole called and filed suit because he could see it through the window and it offended him. Example: number 2 big expensive court battle near here in Stow Ohio because some jerk off decided he was offended that the seal of the city had a book on it that he assumed was the Bible. Since we hear stories similar to that nearly every day around this time of the season it's not a big leap to assume that some people are anti Christian and Christmas. It's these kind of ridiculous actions that make Christians and non-christians, like myself, I think that the atheist and ACLU are largely a bunch of dicks. WSS I can definitely see your point. I fall in the "leave me the fuck alone and I will do the same for you" camp on just about everything. I know there are a lot of atheists who make it their life goal to rid the world of religion, not taking into account that they are being tyrannical dickheads. However, I think the stories pick up around Christmas time because it sells better. Around July 4th we get inundated with stories about home owners associations bitching about U.S. flags that are "too large" in their communities. Why? Because it is near a patriotic holiday and the story will cause an uproar. The ACLU generally can eat a dick. I am very pro-gun (CCW instructor) with tax stamp goodies. The ACLU does not consider the right to bear arms a civil liberty so they can piss up a rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The ACLU generally can eat a dick. I am very pro-gun (CCW instructor) with tax stamp goodies. The ACLU does not consider the right to bear arms a civil liberty so they can piss up a rope. I tend to agree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well the War on Christmas stories are going to naturally come up more around, well, Christmas. That's when everybody's out suing everybody about nativity scenes and so forth. I don't have a CCW but I keep thinking of taking the course. The guys I knew from the NRA when I was a boy scout eight thousand years ago were among the biggest pains in the ass about gun safety one could hope to meet. I would always rather grandma have a pistol and know how to use it. As for Christianity if it gives some one peace great. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The ACLU generally can eat a dick. I am very pro-gun (CCW instructor) with tax stamp goodies. The ACLU does not consider the right to bear arms a civil liberty so they can piss up a rope. Logic ******************************************* Okay, I agree. You're a CCW instructor? COOL ! I have my license, since you're new. But I think Woody won't be happy that you're here, now. Yeah, more and more folks are becoming that "Leave me the f alone, and I'll leave you alone". Which is weird, that there are groups and gov agencies who are going to the courts to try to enforce their control on everybody else. You must recognize gay marriages, and bake them a cake, for example. You must pay Obamaocare taxes and fines, one way, or the other, and lose your insurance and you can't really keep it and your doctor and all like they lied that you could. And Columbia gas, in Ohio, is suing a lot of famers, somewhere around 2000 acres, for the rights to drill on their property...BY EMMINENT DOMAIN., after they wouldn't sign contracts with them. The attitudes against owning guns, and all. Even trucks and SUV's that libs used to rail on, until that ploy fell flat. It never ends. Some want licenses to drive farm equipment... ON THEIR OWN Land. And, on our farm, at least here in Ohio, you cannot ride your ATV on your own farm with your loaded gun, concealed, or not, without a CCW license. That, I don't mind. And I don't mind having to get a CCW. But really, it never ends. Freedom for all, smaller gov, stop the runaway fed deficit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The ACLU generally can eat a dick. I am very pro-gun (CCW instructor) with tax stamp goodies. The ACLU does not consider the right to bear arms a civil liberty so they can piss up a rope. Logic ******************************************* Okay, I agree. You're a CCW instructor? COOL ! I have my license, since you're new. But I think Woody won't be happy that you're here, now. Yeah, more and more folks are becoming that "Leave me the f alone, and I'll leave you alone". Which is weird, that there are groups and gov agencies who are going to the courts to try to enforce their control on everybody else. You must recognize gay marriages, and bake them a cake, for example. You must pay Obamaocare taxes and fines, one way, or the other, and lose your insurance and you can't really keep it and your doctor and all like they lied that you could. And Columbia gas, in Ohio, is suing a lot of famers, somewhere around 2000 acres, for the rights to drill on their property...BY EMMINENT DOMAIN., after they wouldn't sign contracts with them. The attitudes against owning guns, and all. Even trucks and SUV's that libs used to rail on, until that ploy fell flat. It never ends. Some want licenses to drive farm equipment... ON THEIR OWN Land. And, on our farm, at least here in Ohio, you cannot ride your ATV on your own farm with your loaded gun, concealed, or not, without a CCW license. That, I don't mind. And I don't mind having to get a CCW. But really, it never ends. Freedom for all, smaller gov, stop the runaway fed deficit... I think it's more 'treat me how you want to be treated' when it comes to gay marriage at least. Gay people, I'm sure, will leave you the fuck alone, in terms of anything related to being gay. They just want to equally be left alone to love and shag whoever they want, what happens between consenting adults is basically fine. Except that one time two people met up on the internet and one ate the other. That's...less fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Well the War on Christmas stories are going to naturally come up more around, well, Christmas. That's when everybody's out suing everybody about nativity scenes and so forth. I don't have a CCW but I keep thinking of taking the course. The guys I knew from the NRA when I was a boy scout eight thousand years ago were among the biggest pains in the ass about gun safety one could hope to meet. I would always rather grandma have a pistol and know how to use it. As for Christianity if it gives some one peace great. WSS My Grandma, god rest her soul had a .38 revolver next to her bed. My Grandpa was a retired Cleveland cop and she new full well how to use it, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Law abiding gun owners should not be penalised for the actions of idiots with guns. Punishing the many for the mistakes of the few is never a good solution. What I personally would like to see, however, is a society in which people don't feel the need to sleep with a gun by their bed. Once we reach that point, gun control will be moot, since it would only be used for recreational purposes and as such could be kept safely at a place for said recreation. Or is that just crazy talk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 And for those paying attention, 'moot' appears to be my word of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Law abiding gun owners should not be penalised for the actions of idiots with guns. Punishing the many for the mistakes of the few is never a good solution. What I personally would like to see, however, is a society in which people don't feel the need to sleep with a gun by their bed. Once we reach that point, gun control will be moot, since it would only be used for recreational purposes and as such could be kept safely at a place for said recreation. Or is that just crazy talk? Utopia sounds nice but it only works on paper. Even if murder dropped to 10 people a year, I would still want a firearm in my home. I don't want to be 1 of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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