calfoxwc Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 At this point my Big board for our #6 overall now looks like this:<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);"><br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">1. Dion Jordan - Ore<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">2. Ezekiel Ansah - BYU<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">3. Bjoern Werner - FSU<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">4. Barkevious Mingo - LSU<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">5. Damontre Moore - TA&M<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">6. Jarvis Jones - UGA ************************************** Not a bad list, but Mingo won't go that high, and Moore only did ...12 reps on the bench press? That's not good. Jones reportedly was okayed at the combine physically. He could be the pick. Who knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 [/size][/color] Not a bad list, but Mingo won't go that high, and Moore only did ...12 reps on the bench press? That's not good. Jones reportedly was okayed at the combine physically. He could be the pick. Who knows ? Jones moves up to #1 on that list, if he PROVES to be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 Any GM who drafts that guy should be fired. I disagree. Any GM who drafts him to play solely QB should be fired, but getting him late in the seventh round as a utility player could be beneficial. He's 6'6", runs a 4.7 40 and has played QB, WR, and TE at a major college program. His measurables compare to that of Jordan Cameron, and it's been reported that he is quite sure-handed. His combine performance put him up to the sixth QB on many scouts boards, so it wouldn't be far fetched to see him taken and used in a Brad Smith-esque role with some team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Daddy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I really gotta say we're going to get a quality player at a position of need at the 6 pick and it's refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I really gotta say we're going to get a quality player at a position of need at the 6 pick and it's refreshing. Don't count your chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Daddy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Well in theory at least. There are at least 5 or 6 defensive lineman or linebackers that are highly rated prospects. We SHOULD get one at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Dion Jordan had a spectacular combine. Looking at his change of direction during the drills was excellent. Like I've said prior, put this guy opposite a rush backer(give Sheard a try) and he will be a jack of all trades. Probably a guy who can get seven sacks annually, plus play a great role in pass coverage. I'm excited, Jordan for Pick Six... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt Daddy Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I've become a big Jordan fan, too. Hope he lasts until 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Mingo tore it up in the drills. Not only ran a sub 4.6 40, did 38 reps on the bench press. He may not last until #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Brown Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 As it now looks like KC are trading with SF therefore leaving Geno Smith, anyone think we would be open to trading our 6 to a team in need of a QB if he's still available? I'm not particularly for or against the idea or even have a team in mind, it's just there seems a long list of players that could upgrade us on the defensive side even if we traded down slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Its happening just as I called it in december...Werner and Moore are dropping while Jordan and Mingo are rising...Id really like to know whay our docs think of Jones' spinal issue. My top 4 in order for our 6 pick- Jordan, Jones, Ansah, Mingo (I would understand if they took Mingo over Ansah though because Ansah doesnt fill a need) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 As it now looks like KC are trading with SF therefore leaving Geno Smith, anyone think we would be open to trading our 6 to a team in need of a QB if he's still available? I'm not particularly for or against the idea or even have a team in mind, it's just there seems a long list of players that could upgrade us on the defensive side even if we traded down slightly. I think its a definite possibility...especially with a bunch of QB needy teams picking right behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgdamit Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Trade Down to gain a 2nd rd and possible future pick in 2014, Pick BPA Defense, add a QB in the 4th rd and a Guard somewhere in the draft. I have not honed in on any particular players yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I have two possible draft scenarios that I would absolutely love. #6- Jarvis Jones/Dion Jordan, OLB #68-David Amerson, CB #101- Gavin Escobar, TE then BPA to finish I also wouldn't mind seeing us trade back with Buffalo or Tennessee and add a second round pick, then take Mingo or Jordan if they're still available and then take EJ Manuel with our second round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Trade Down to gain a 2nd rd and possible future pick in 2014, Pick BPA Defense, add a QB in the 4th rd and a Guard somewhere in the draft. I have not honed in on any particular players yet. Hopefully you are not forgetting the Browns needs in the secondary. Those are perhaps as dire as the need for OLBs. So do not dismiss the possibility that the Browns could go for Milliner at #6. If he is there I believe they will have to think long and hard about taking him. Though, as noted at various times here, some of those needs may be addressed in FA with the Browns salary cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Hopefully you are not forgetting the Browns needs in the secondary. Those are perhaps as dire as the need for OLBs. So do not dismiss the possibility that the Browns could go for Milliner at #6. If he is there I believe they will have to think long and hard about taking him. Though, as noted at various times here, some of those needs may be addressed in FA with the Browns salary cap room. I really hope and believe we are going to grab a #2 CB via free agency. Milliner looks pretty good but Id hate to pass on a top of the line pass rusher for a #2 CB when we already have a great #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmusch Posted February 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Post-Combine Mock 6) Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon - I've been stating this for awhile now how Jordan will pay immediately dividends in many ways that can not always be judged by statistics. He can play every down, while having the ability to rush the passer and cover tight ends, as well as, slot receivers. 68) Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Lousiana - Alford had a hell of a combine. Combine this with his production (albeit FCS) and he will be gone by the early third. A great player to come in an compete for the CB position opposite of Haden. 100*) Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas - Bailey is a player who raised his stock throughout the combine. The Browns need an upgrade at LG, especially in run blocking in which Bailey will help tremendously. 131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan - With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep. 162*) Michael Williams, TE, Alabama - He has been dropping a bit, and the lack of invite to the combine will only hurt his stock. Williams could come in and become an excellent compliment to Cameron. I even think his blocking could be used from day one in two tight sets. 164*) Sean Renfree, QB, Duke - Renfree has real NFL tools, and bringing him in within the sixth round would be a smart choice. He had good production, a lot of experience, and a strong arm. If Weeden flounders, I doubt Renfree would be the QB of the future, but it is worth a try and at the very least, the new staff will get a good back up. *Compensatory picks will change the order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Just for shits and giggles, if the Browns selected the players in their corresponding ranking from CBSports.com these are the players they would be taking: #6 Dee Milliner CB Alabama #68 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee #100 Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB UConn #131 Keith Pough OLB Howard #162 Nickell Robey CB USC #164 John Lotulelei OLB UNLV http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings Now, it is absurd to think things would go this way. Nevertheless, it is not absurd to think about considering these players at these positions. We certainly need a CB, but not 3. And we certainly need OLBs. (We don't need an OT). Anything here worth considering? If the Browns don't go with Milliner I would think that a Wreh-Wilson or Nick Robey would be on their radar. (Is John Lotulelei the brother of Star Lotulelei? Must be.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 (Is John Lotulelei the brother of Star Lotulelei? Must be.) I've read there is no relation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 (Is John Lotulelei the brother of Star Lotulelei? Must be.) I've read there is no relation How can there not be? I mean, can there be more than 10 people in this country with that name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 How can there not be? I mean, can there be more than 10 people in this country with that name? It's a decently common Maori surname. It's more popular in New Zealand and Australia, but it's no more uncommon than, say, "Grabowski" or "Graham". According to heritage.com, there's something like 20 listed Lotulelei's in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 It's a decently common Maori surname. It's more popular in New Zealand and Australia, but it's no more uncommon than, say, "Grabowski" or "Graham". According to heritage.com, there's something like 20 listed Lotulelei's in the US. OK, instead of 10 there are 20. And two of them happen to be in year's NFL draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 OK, instead of 10 there are 20. And two of them happen to be in year's NFL draft. I mean, those are the ones just listed on the website. I'm sure there are many, many more that have never signed up for an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b86b Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 BOTTOM LINE Lotulelei (no relation with Utah defensive tackle Star) needed some time to take advantage of his gifts at the junior college level, and didn’t earn a starting spot until later in his junior year. There are plenty of things to like about his attacking style, however, allowing him to project as a late-round inside linebacker prospect with good special teams potential. this is from nfl.com combine bio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 "131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan - With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep." Amen. Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner. Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed. As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense. I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential. I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 "131*) Denard Robinson, RB/WR, Michigan - With his lack of polish at a projected position, I believe Robinson will be available here. Place Robinson in a role where he can have about three carries and two designed receptions a game and he will flourish. I also would like the Browns to continue the double duty on returns that they experimented with late last year with Benjamin/Cribbs both deep." Amen. Fill the whole Cribbs leaves as a returner. Add another WR that could develop into a great slot option Act as a WildDawg QB when we want to do that Finally, serve as a change of pace back if needed. As someone that's watched every snap Denard has ever taken I think he's more suited to be a HB. Its most like what he's been doing for 3 years. He was a starting HB for the first time ever against SC and put up 100 yards rushing on their good defense. I know I'm biased, but I really think this pick could fill some holes in our roster after Cribbs bounces. Also adds that important home run potential. I know he's a project, but his only real starting duty at first will be return man as his main position, whatever the coaches want, develops. So...a slower Travis Benjamin. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 So...a slower Travis Benjamin. No thanks. Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds. All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Denard would be a good pick if we lose Cribbs. He could be our third RB, we are losing Jackson and Obie, ruturns kicks and work him into some receiver sets. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Slower by .1 seconds in a 40. Consider the fact Denard has 30 pounds on the guy, and can potentially do a lot more for the team, including HB, I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think Benjamin will last as a full time return man at 169 pounds. All I'm saying is that if we are losing Cribbs, and Denard is still available, I think it would be a good pick A tenth of a second can be a difference between a touchdown and a tackle. I just don't see the value in having two spots on a 53 man roster designated for solely return men and, at best, 4th WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Denard Robinson would be a very poor pick by the Browns - from cbssports.som, on Denard Robinson: "WEAKNESSES: Extremely streaky as a passer with too many inconsistent decisions, low-percentage pass attempts and messy mechanics. Shows less than ideal attention to detail as a route-runner. Struggles with drops, and allows far too many passes to get into his pads. Fights the ball as a receiver and lacks sharpness in his routes, two areas that need improving before he is ready for the NFL. He also needed help on where to line up pre-snap on several occasions, indicating just how raw he is at the position. Struggled to field punts during Senior Bowl practices." eh....NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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