Prospects to Watch

[Guest ATENEARS]

I've always liked Sutton as well and agree with Riffer that Tressel blundered in probably not recruiting him because of his size. The kid was Mr. Ohio out of High School so he definately wasn't over-looked.

 

However, I too feel I'm probably bias because he's an N.E. Ohio High School kid ... I loved Lee Suggs and Jerome Harrison in college and don't see Sutton as nearly that same quality (and we all know how they were used in the NFL), but who knows, the kid has power in that small package and can make'em miss.

 

Would hate to see him come to the Browns though because we don't know how to use his kind.

[Guest Aloysius]

Poor Corey Wootton. He could have been a 1st Round pick this year; now, he's got to have surgery on that knee.

 

I hope he's able to come back & dominate next year.

[JC]

Poor Corey Wootton. He could have been a 1st Round pick this year; now, he's got to have surgery on that knee.

 

I hope he's able to come back & dominate next year.

 

That was horrible to see. Northwestern played a great game. Holy crap, Mizzou just missed the FG. Going to overtime. Also, all this talk about coaches, how about the job Pat Fitzgerald has done? His team plays solid, sound football. Defense swarms to the ball. And he does this with less talent.

 

[Guest Aloysius]

Yeah, he's done a great job tonight. I was sure this game would be a blowout.

[JewDago]

my game thoughts:

 

sutton's a monster. dude can seriously play. he'll be a decent NFL back, possibly better than decent. good vision, soft hands. i'd like to see us pick him up and use him in a RBBC with harrison and shonn greene if we can draft those two.

 

weatherspoon can play. good in pass coverage, good against the run. he'll be a great WLB and will likely shift inside on passing downs or if he goes to a tampa 2 team. i see him in indy.

 

william moore played his way out of the first round. he had crucial, crucial mental mistakes on back-to-back plays (despite forcing a fumble on one of the plays he was offside after running down sutton) and was far below average in coverage. i think he goes in the second and gets converted to WLB. but i don't think there's any way he plays safety in the NFL.

[Guest Aloysius]

Interesting read. I wasn't focusing very closely during the game, so it's good to see some of my random observations confirmed.

 

I wonder if Moore ends up being another Darnell Bing. Expected to be a late Round 1/early Round 2 pick, Bring dropped to the 4th and hasn't amounted to more than a specials guy in the pro's.

 

Weatherspoon definitely was impressive. I have a feeling we should be watching some of these 4-3 linebackers more closely...

[Dawg Pound]

Shonn Greene is who I want for our Running back void, but I highly doubt he declares.

So im hoping we make a run at James Davis

[Guest Aloysius]

Actually, I think Greene likely will declare for the draft. If he stays in college another year, he'll turn 25 during his rookie training camp; that could end up damaging his draft stock.

 

If the draft advisory board gives him a favorable grade, I think he declares. And though he's raw as a receiver & inconsistent in blitz pickup, I think he'd be a very good option for us in Round 2.

[Dawg Pound]

Actually, I think Greene likely will declare for the draft. If he stays in college another year, he'll turn 25 during his rookie training camp; that could end up damaging his draft stock.

 

If the draft advisory board gives him a favorable grade, I think he declares. And though he's raw as a receiver & inconsistent in blitz pickup, I think he'd be a very good option for us in Round 2.

I hope he does, that dude is a beast and would really make us a power running team. I think we need to just let Jamal Lewis go, he is aging and for a big dude he is soft.

Shonn Grenne and maybe signing Darren Sproles would be a nice duo in the backfield.

[calfoxwc]

We had 31 points on Missouri over NWestern. We never figured their defense would play Missouri so outstandingly.

 

Seemed like Northwestern had tons of talent and emotion from the gitgo.

 

And Missouri? They would have dominated if they had had Northwesterns qb and receivers...

 

...thought for sure those 31 points were gone several times in the game. That's the fun of Bowl Mania -

 

ordinarily, these bowl games don't matter without it - but having points on em, makes it hilarious.

 

Sutton was impressive, but nowhere near being a Greene. Maclin is a burner with tons of talent and heart ...

 

Missouri, in the first half, was like "what the...???" vs Northwestern...

[calfoxwc]

The best Browns first round pick hasn't declared yet...

but I wonder where he will be projected to go in the first round? Could the Browns trade down a little, pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd this year...

and still get this kid?

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Aaron Maybin Scouting Report

Projected Draft Position

by FFToolbox Writers

Position: DE

School & Year/Status: Penn State - Sophomore

Height & Weight: 6'4 - 236 lbs.

 

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

 

person

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

Aaron Maybin has wasted no time in becoming one of the most productive pass rushers in college football. Maybin was highly recruited out of high school in Maryland, and came to Penn State in 2006. After redshirting his first year on campus, Maybin played in every game of his redshirt freshman year. He recorded 12 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, and broke up a pass in coverage, in 13 games last season. Maybin came out of high school weighing only 220 pounds, but has already added 16 pounds of muscle. He has the frame to add more bulk without losing any speed, which is something NFL scouts will be looking at. Maybin has outstanding speed for his size, and is much stronger than his size would suggest. He does his best work coming off the edge and simply running by offensive tackles. Maybin isn't only a speed rusher though. He has excellent technique, and does a good job of using his hands to keep blocker from cutting his feet out from under him. Maybin is taking full advantage of his starting role this season, having tallied 35 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and even breaking up 2 passes in coverage. Maybin will be watched closely by NFL GMs because he's not only an excellent defensive end prospect, but his size and athleticism would make the transition to 3-4 outside linebacker a fairly easy one. If Maybin declares and has a good combine, he could go as high as the second round.

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PSU Football Notebook: Maybin center of attention for Trojans

Monday, December 29, 2008

By Ron Musselman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

LOS ANGELES -- Penn State All-American defensive end Aaron Maybin was a no-show yesterday, but Southern California's players and coaches are well aware of how destructive he can be on the field.

 

He finished the season with 12 sacks, the fourth-best total in the country.

 

"The biggest thing that impresses me about the guy -- obviously he's a tremendous athlete -- is his effort," Southern California offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian said. "He plays hard. He plays football the way you want it to be played.

 

"He doesn't slow up."

 

Maybin, 6 feet 4 and 235 pounds, was a first-team All-Big Ten pick. He finished sixth in the nation with 19 tackles for losses and forced a team-high three fumbles.

 

Trojans quarterback Mark Sanchez said it's hard not to notice Maybin when he watches tape of Penn State.

 

"The guy is sprinting all over the field," Sanchez said. "I haven't seen him walk once. I haven't seen him bend over and put the hands on his hips, a sign that you're tired. He's a phenomenal athlete.

 

"He's going to be fun to play against. Hopefully he doesn't get his hands on me."

 

Maybin was running with the second team Saturday after violating a team rule and then did not attend yesterday's Rose Bowl news conference.

 

"When we start warmups, he's with the first team," Penn State defensive tackle Jared Odrick said.

 

Maybin, a redshirt sophomore, and Odrick, a junior first-team All-Big Ten selection, are awaiting feedback from the NFL draft advisory committee before deciding if they are going to leave school a year early.

 

Maybin is projected as a first-round pick, while Odrick is expected to go in the second or third round.

 

 

[Dawg Pound]

The best Browns first round pick hasn't declared yet...

but I wonder where he will be projected to go in the first round? Could the Browns trade down a little, pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd this year...

and still get this kid?

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Aaron Maybin Scouting Report

Projected Draft Position

by FFToolbox Writers

Position: DE

School & Year/Status: Penn State - Sophomore

Height & Weight: 6'4 - 236 lbs.

 

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

 

person

Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

Aaron Maybin has wasted no time in becoming one of the most productive pass rushers in college football. Maybin was highly recruited out of high school in Maryland, and came to Penn State in 2006. After redshirting his first year on campus, Maybin played in every game of his redshirt freshman year. He recorded 12 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, and broke up a pass in coverage, in 13 games last season. Maybin came out of high school weighing only 220 pounds, but has already added 16 pounds of muscle. He has the frame to add more bulk without losing any speed, which is something NFL scouts will be looking at. Maybin has outstanding speed for his size, and is much stronger than his size would suggest. He does his best work coming off the edge and simply running by offensive tackles. Maybin isn't only a speed rusher though. He has excellent technique, and does a good job of using his hands to keep blocker from cutting his feet out from under him. Maybin is taking full advantage of his starting role this season, having tallied 35 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and even breaking up 2 passes in coverage. Maybin will be watched closely by NFL GMs because he's not only an excellent defensive end prospect, but his size and athleticism would make the transition to 3-4 outside linebacker a fairly easy one. If Maybin declares and has a good combine, he could go as high as the second round.

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PSU Football Notebook: Maybin center of attention for Trojans

Monday, December 29, 2008

By Ron Musselman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

LOS ANGELES -- Penn State All-American defensive end Aaron Maybin was a no-show yesterday, but Southern California's players and coaches are well aware of how destructive he can be on the field.

 

He finished the season with 12 sacks, the fourth-best total in the country.

 

"The biggest thing that impresses me about the guy -- obviously he's a tremendous athlete -- is his effort," Southern California offensive coordinator Steve Sarkisian said. "He plays hard. He plays football the way you want it to be played.

 

"He doesn't slow up."

 

Maybin, 6 feet 4 and 235 pounds, was a first-team All-Big Ten pick. He finished sixth in the nation with 19 tackles for losses and forced a team-high three fumbles.

 

Trojans quarterback Mark Sanchez said it's hard not to notice Maybin when he watches tape of Penn State.

 

"The guy is sprinting all over the field," Sanchez said. "I haven't seen him walk once. I haven't seen him bend over and put the hands on his hips, a sign that you're tired. He's a phenomenal athlete.

 

"He's going to be fun to play against. Hopefully he doesn't get his hands on me."

 

Maybin was running with the second team Saturday after violating a team rule and then did not attend yesterday's Rose Bowl news conference.

 

"When we start warmups, he's with the first team," Penn State defensive tackle Jared Odrick said.

 

Maybin, a redshirt sophomore, and Odrick, a junior first-team All-Big Ten selection, are awaiting feedback from the NFL draft advisory committee before deciding if they are going to leave school a year early.

 

Maybin is projected as a first-round pick, while Odrick is expected to go in the second or third round.

 

Is better and would be a great pick up

[Guest mz.]

Penn State is a real NFL factory.

[Zombo]

Penn State is a real NFL factory.

 

2008 3 11 74 Dan Connor Panthers LB

4 2 101 Justin King Rams DB

2007 1 5 5 Levi Brown Cardinals T

2 2 34 Paul Posluszny Bills LB

3 18 81 Jay Alford Giants DT

3 27 90 Tony Hunt Eagles RB

5 27 164 Tim Shaw Panthers LB

2006 1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE

4 3 100 Michael Robinson 49ers WR

4 5 102 Calvin Lowry Titans DB

4 25 122 Alan Zemaitis Buccaneers DB

6 31 200 Tyler Reed Bears G

7 1 209 Ethan Kilmer Bengals WR

2004 3 29 92 Rich Gardner Titans DB

6 29 194 Matt Kranchick Steelers TE

7 28 229 David Kimball Colts K

7 40 241 Sean McHugh Titans RB

2003 1 12 12 Jimmy Kennedy Rams DT

1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears DE

1 17 17 Bryant Johnson Cardinals WR

1 27 27 Larry Johnson Chiefs RB

2 23 55 Bryan Scott Falcons DB

2 25 57 Anthony Adams 49ers DT

2002 4 9 107 Omar Easy Chiefs RB

6 24 196 John Gilmore Saints TE

2001 3 9 71 Bhawoh Jue Packers DB

3 17 79 Kareem McKenzie Jets T

3 32 94 James Boyd Jaguars DB

5 16 147 Tony Stewart Eagles TE

2000 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns DE

1 2 2 LaVar Arrington Redskins LB

3 29 91 David Macklin Colts DB

4 11 105 Brandon Short Giants LB

1999 5 5 138 Brad Scioli Colts DE

5 7 140 Floyd Wedderburn Seahawks T

1998 1 5 5 Curtis Enis Bears RB

2 25 55 Joe Jurevicius Giants WR

5 28 151 Phil Ostrowski 49ers G

1997 2 28 58 Kim Herring Ravens DB

3 30 90 Brett Conway Packers K

7 33 234 Wally Richardson Ravens QB

1996 1 23 23 Jeff Hartings Lions G

1 30 30 Andre Johnson Redskins T

2 22 52 Bobby Engram Bears WR

3 13 74 Terry Killens Oilers LB

3 31 92 Jon Witman Steelers RB

4 20 115 Brian Milne Colts RB

6 24 191 Keith Conlin Colts T

6 31 198 Stephen Pitts 49ers RB

6 41 208 Marco Rivera Packers G

7 9 218 Mike Archie Oilers RB

1995 1 1 1 Ki-Jana Carter Bengals RB

1 5 5 Kerry Collins Panthers QB

1 9 9 Kyle Brady Jets TE

5 12 146 Phil Yeboah-Kodie Broncos LB

6 16 187 Brian Gelzheiser Colts LB

1994 3 29 94 Lou Benfatti Jets DT

5 3 134 Shelly Hammonds Vikings DB

6 19 180 Eric Ravotti Steelers LB

7 23 217 Rob Holmberg Raiders LB

1993 1 25 25 O.J. McDuffie Dolphins WR

2 10 39 Troy Drayton Rams TE

2 22 51 Todd Rucci Patriots T

3 1 57 John Gerak Vikings G

5 16 128 Greg Huntington Redskins C

6 4 144 Richie Anderson Jets RB

6 13 153 Rich McKenzie Browns LB

8 17 213 Reggie Givens Cowboys DB

1992 2 6 34 Mark D'Onofrio Packers LB

2 18 46 Tony Sacca Cardinals QB

3 18 74 Paul Siever Redskins G

3 27 83 Keith Goganious Bills LB

8 7 203 Darren Perry Steelers DB

8 9 205 Sam Gash Patriots RB

8 13 209 Andre Powell Dolphins LB

8 27 223 Leonard Humphries Bills DB

11 28 308 Terry Smith Redskins WR

1991 3 19 74 David Daniels Seahawks WR

6 19 158 Leroy Thompson Steelers RB

8 19 214 Gary Brown Oilers RB

10 13 263 Frank Giannetti Colts DE

10 14 264 Sean Love Cowboys G

12 13 319 Rob Luedeke Colts C

1990 1 2 2 Blair Thomas Jets RB

2 21 46 Andre Collins Redskins LB

7 15 180 Dave Szott Chiefs G

8 3 196 Roger Duffy Jets C

1989 2 1 29 Steve Wisniewski Cowboys G

4 16 100 Michael Timpson Patriots WR

6 16 155 Quintus McDonald Colts LB

6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson Browns DB

9 21 244 Bob Mrosko Oilers TE

11 3 282 Keith Karpinski Lions LB

1988 3 3 58 Ray Roundtree Lions WR

8 6 199 Mike Alexander Raiders WR

10 1 250 Stan Clayton Falcons T

11 12 289 Pete Curkendall Bills DT

1987 1 8 8 Shane Conlan Bills LB

1 14 14 D.J. Dozier Vikings RB

3 24 80 Tim Manoa Browns RB

3 25 81 Steve Smith Raiders RB

4 1 85 Don Graham Buccaneers LB

5 14 126 John Bruno Cardinals P

5 20 132 Chris Conlin Dolphins T

6 1 141 Tim Johnson Steelers DT

6 22 162 Bob White 49ers LB

8 27 222 Dan Morgan Broncos G

9 24 247 Bob Ontko Colts LB

10 17 268 Sid Lewis Jets DB

11 7 286 Brian Siverling Lions TE

1986 4 23 105 Rogers Alexander Jets LB

7 2 168 Bob Williams Bills TE

9 14 235 Mike Zordich Chargers DB

1985 6 6 146 Stan Short Lions G

7 24 192 Nick Haden Raiders C

9 22 246 Chris Sydnor Raiders DB

12 20 328 Tony Mumford Patriots RB

1984 1 4 4 Kenny Jackson Eagles WR

2 6 34 Scott Radecic Chiefs LB

3 14 70 Jonathan Williams Patriots RB

4 6 90 Mark Robinson Chiefs DB

4 28 112 Ron Heller Buccaneers T

7 8 176 Harry Hamilton Jets DB

8 1 197 Kevin Baugh Oilers WR

9 18 242 George Reynolds Rams P

1983 1 3 3 Curt Warner Seahawks RB

1 7 7 Todd Blackledge Chiefs QB

3 17 73 Walker Lee Ashley Vikings LB

4 4 88 Mike McCloskey Oilers TE

5 10 122 Bill Contz Browns T

5 28 140 Gregg Garrity Steelers WR

10 10 261 Dave Laube Lions G

10 12 263 Pete Speros Seahawks G

10 17 268 Ralph Giacomarro Falcons P

1982 1 8 8 Mike Munchak Oilers G

1 17 17 Sean Farrell Buccaneers G

2 1 28 Leo Wisniewski Colts DT

2 10 37 Jim Romano Raiders C

3 23 78 Vyto Kab Eagles TE

3 25 80 Paul Lankford Dolphins DB

5 15 126 Mike Meade Packers RB

6 13 152 Chet Parlavecchio Packers LB

9 11 234 Matt Bradley Oilers DB

10 12 263 Rich D'Amico Raiders LB

1981 1 28 28 Booker Moore Bills RB

3 2 58 Bill Dugan Seahawks G

6 9 147 Pete Kugler 49ers DT

6 10 148 Larry Kubin Redskins LB

7 20 186 Brad Scovill Seahawks TE

8 21 214 Gene Gladys Saints LB

11 13 289 Frank Case Chiefs DE

1980 1 4 4 Bruce Clark Packers DT

2 15 43 Matt Millen Raiders LB

2 18 46 Matt Suhey Bears RB

2 22 50 Irv Pankey Rams T

3 13 69 Lance Mehl Jets LB

6 16 154 Mike Guman Rams RB

9 9 230 Tom Donovan Chiefs WR

1979 1 10 10 Keith Dorney Lions T

4 14 96 Eric Cunningham Jets G

5 16 126 Scott Fitzkee Eagles WR

5 23 133 Chuck Fusina Buccaneers QB

6 8 145 Bob Torrey Giants RB

6 28 165 Matt Bahr Steelers K

7 17 182 Rich Milot Redskins LB

8 4 196 Chuck Correal Eagles C

10 17 265 Tony Petruccio Chargers DT

1978 3 5 61 Mickey Shuler Jets TE

3 25 81 Jimmy Cefalo Dolphins WR

5 3 113 Randy Sidler Jets LB

6 17 155 Steve Geise Bengals RB

9 5 227 Neil Hutton Jets DB

10 17 267 Tom DePaso Bengals LB

11 25 303 Ron Hostetler Rams LB

1977 2 10 38 George Reihner Oilers G

3 22 78 Kurt Allerman Cardinals LB

5 2 114 Ron Crosby Lions LB

8 24 219 Brad Benson Patriots G

1976 2 23 51 Chris Bahr Bengals K

3 7 67 Greg Buttle Jets LB

3 10 70 Ron Coder Steelers DT

4 27 119 Tom Rafferty Cowboys G

1975 2 5 31 Mike Hartenstein Bears DE

4 3 81 John Nessel Falcons G

4 24 102 Tom Donchez Bills RB

6 12 142 Tom Shuman Bengals QB

7 14 170 Chris Devlin Bengals LB

8 16 198 Jeff Bleamer Eagles T

9 15 223 Dan Natale 49ers TE

10 22 256 Joe Jackson Dolphins TE

12 26 312 Greg Murphy Steelers DE

17 5 421 Dave Graf Browns LB

1974 1 8 8 Ed O'Neil Lions LB

1 11 11 John Cappelletti Rams RB

2 1 27 Doug Allen Bills LB

2 15 41 Charlie Getty Chiefs T

2 17 43 Mark Markovich Chargers C

5 2 106 Gary Hayman Bills WR

6 6 136 Randy Crowder Dolphins DE

9 9 217 Phil La Porta Saints T

10 22 256 Chuck Herd Bengals TE

12 8 294 Tom Hull 49ers LB

1973 3 19 71 Jim Laslavic Lions LB

5 12 116 Bruce Bannon Jets LB

6 6 136 John Skorupan Bills LB

14 10 348 John Hufnagel Broncos QB

15 17 381 Carl Schaukowitch Giants G

1972 1 13 13 Franco Harris Steelers RB

2 22 48 Lydell Mitchell Colts RB

4 15 93 Charles Zapiel Cowboys LB

5 13 117 Bob Parsons Bears TE

1971 2 8 34 Jack Ham Steelers LB

3 21 73 Warren Koegel Raiders C

11 22 282 Vic Surma Dolphins T

16 23 413 Greg Edmonds Vikings WR

1970 1 7 7 Mike Reid Bengals DT

3 6 58 Charlie Pittman Cardinals RB

3 20 72 Dennis Onkotz Jets LB

4 17 95 Steve Smear Colts DT

4 20 98 John Ebersole Jets LB

7 23 179 Don Abbey Cowboys LB

8 17 199 Paul Johnson Redskins DB

12 17 303 James Kates Redskins LB

1969 1 7 7 Ted Kwalick 49ers TE

2 12 38 Dave Bradley Packers T

4 4 82 Bob Campbell Steelers RB

7 18 174 John Kulka Dolphins G

15 3 367 Leon Angevine Eagles WR

1968 2 14 41 Rich Buzin Giants T

2 16 43 Bill Lenkaitis Chargers C

5 8 119 Mike McBath Bills DE

1967 2 27 53 David Rowe Saints T

10 20 257 John Runnels Patriots LB

16 22 415 Mike Irwin Bills RB

1966 8 6 116 Don Kunit Cowboys RB

8 15 125 Jack White Colts QB

20 1 291 Bob Riggle Falcons DB

1965 3 8 36 Glenn Ressler Colts C

1964 3 10 38 Ralph Baker Steelers LB

13 12 180 John Delbert Giants T

14 4 186 Tom Urbank Redskins B

1963 1 14 14 Dave Robinson Packers LB

4 4 46 Harrison Rosdahl 49ers G

6 9 79 Terry Monaghan Rams T

8 5 103 Dave Hayes Colts B

10 4 130 Pete Liske Eagles QB

17 9 233 Dick Anderson Browns E

1962 2 9 23 Bill Saul Colts LB

3 1 29 Bob Mitinger Redskins E

4 4 46 Chuck Sieminski 49ers T

4 5 47 Roger Kochman Cardinals RB

5 4 60 Jim Smith Rams T

12 12 166 Al Gursky Giants RB

14 13 195 Jim Schwab Eagles E

1961 3 2 30 Stew Barber Cowboys G

7 3 87 Jim Kerr Redskins B

7 6 90 Dick Hoak Steelers B

13 14 182 Don Jonas Eagles QB

19 14 266 Dick Wilson Eagles C

1960 1 4 4 Richie Lucas Redskins QB

3 4 28 Andy Stynchula Redskins T

5 1 49 Charley Janerette Rams T

8 3 87 Earl Kohlhaas Redskins G

1959 5 2 50 Maury Schleicher Cardinals E

1958 4 11 48 Les Walers Colts E

10 6 115 Al Jacks Rams QB

14 5 162 Jack Farls Redskins E

1957 2 4 17 Milt Plum Browns QB

17 1 194 Dan Radakovich Eagles C

1956 1 9 9 Lenny Moore Colts RB

14 4 161 Frank Relch Eagles C

1955 3 6 31 Roosevelt (Rosey) Grier Giants T

10 3 112 Jesse Arnelle Rams E

18 2 207 Don Bailey Redskins B

29 9 346 Otto Kniedinger 49ers T

1954 23 6 271 Joe Pascarella Steelers T

1953 11 7 128 Bob Pollard Eagles B

17 7 200 Tony Rados Eagles B

18 2 207 Joe Yukica Cardinals E

26 12 313 Jim Dooley Lions C

28 8 333 Joe Gratson Eagles B

1952 17 11 204 Stew Sheets Browns T

1950 3 11 38 Don Murray Rams T

8 8 100 Fran Rogel Steelers B

13 7 164 Negley Norton Steelers T

22 3 277 Chuck Beatty Packers C

1949 6 10 61 Sam Tamburo Yanks E

9 1 82 Chuck Drazenovich Lions B

19 1 182 Wally Triplett Lions B

20 3 194 Larry Cooney Packers B

1948 3 1 14 John Nolan Yanks T

5 1 26 Johny Wolosky Giants C

21 7 192 Negley Norton Eagles T

1947 14 3 118 Bill (Red) Moore Steelers T

16 5 140 Jeff Durkota Eagles B

26 5 240 Larry Joe Cardinals B

30 4 279 Joe Colone Redskins B

1946 4 3 28 Joe Tepsic Steelers B

14 2 122 Ralph Ventresco Yanks B

20 3 183 Mike Garbinski Steelers B

27 3 253 Marchi Marino Steelers T

1944 10 2 89 Aldo Cenci Dodgers B

1943 7 6 56 Lou Palazzi Giants C

18 3 163 Ken Schoonover Dodgers T

29 10 280 Johnny Jaffurs Redskins G

1942 12 8 108 Len Krouse Giants B

16 3 143 Bill Smaltz Eagles B

1941 9 2 72 Tom Vargo Cardinals E

12 1 101 John Patrick Eagles B

19 6 176 Chuck Peters Giants B

20 3 183 Frank Platt Cardinals T

1940 16 2 142 Leon Gajecki Steelers C

 

Players Drafted Since 1987

 

Miami (FL) 145

Florida State 126

Tennessee 124

Ohio State 121

Notre Dame 119

Nebraska 116

Florida 115

Penn State 108

USC 104

Michigan 95

Texas A&M 93

Oklahoma 90

Washington 89

Georgia 88

Alabama 88

Colorado 84

Louisiana State 84

Auburn 83

Arizona State 80

UCLA 80

Michigan State 78

Texas 74

Wisconsin 73

California 72

Clemson 69

North Carolina 69

Virginia Tech 68

Stanford 67

Iowa 65

Virginia 65

Syracuse 62

Pittsburgh 61

Arizona 60

Oregon 58

Washington State 53

North Carolina State 53

Mississippi State 51

 

Penn St. last four years:

 

11-1 Big Ten Champions

9-4

9-4

11-1 Big Ten Champions

 

Penn State has earned invitations to 41 bowl games. The Nittany Lions have compiled a record of 26-12-2 (0.675), the highest winning percentage of any Division I FBS team, including a 14-5-1 (0.725) record in the so-called "major" bowls (Rose, Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Cotton).[

 

 

Zombo

[Guest mz.]

I'm sorry you had to put so much time into that, Z.

 

So, which of those guys, especially the top picks, is/was worth a squirt of piss? And don't go all Jack Ham/Curt Warner on me, 'neither. I want something recent. Larry Johnson. That's it. Maybe Poz.

 

How dare you "bold" Tamba Hali, Bryant Johnson, Kyle Brady, OJ McDuffie but not Courtney Brown, Curtis Enis, KiJana Carter, Blair Thomas???

 

Penn St is practically Bust U.

[Zombo]

So, which of those guys, especially the top picks, is/was worth a squirt of piss?

 

 

ummm ... all the guys in bold.

 

 

How dare you "bold" Tamba Hali, Bryant Johnson, Kyle Brady, OJ McDuffie but not Courtney Brown, Curtis Enis, KiJana Carter, Blair Thomas???

 

Because they were/are better players.

 

Zombo

--Just curious ... how do you qualify as a "factory" if making the top Eight over the past twenty years doesn't count?

[Guest mz.]

I guess Hali (bust) is/was better than Courtney Brown (mega-bust).

 

Perhaps I guess I should have stated that quality counts. I can't think of another school that produces more NFL busts than Penn State. Can you?

 

Here are Penn State draftees from rounds 1 and 2, rounds where you need to get quality.

 

2007 1 5 5 Levi Brown Cardinals T, 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny Bills LB. Jury still out.

 

2006 1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE. Brutal.

 

2003 was a vintage year for Penn State busts. 1 12 12 Jimmy Kennedy Rams DT, 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears DE (out of the NFL), 1 17 17 Bryant Johnson Cardinals WR, 1 27 27 Larry Johnson Chiefs RB, 2 23 55 Bryan Scott Falcons DB and 2 25 57 Anthony Adams 49ers DT. Just wow.

 

2000 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns DE, 1 2 2 LaVar Arrington Redskins LB. Another solid PSU bust year.

 

1998 1 5 5 Curtis Enis Bears RB, 2 25 55 Joe Jurevicius Giants WR. When Joey J. is the biggest "non-bust" so far, you start to get the point.

 

1997 2 28 58 Kim Herring Ravens DB. OK.

 

1996 1 23 23 Jeff Hartings Lions G (solid), 1 30 30 Andre Johnson Redskins T (who?), 2 22 52 Bobby Engram Bears WR (solid). Probably PSU's best draft.

 

1995 1 1 1 Ki-Jana Carter Bengals RB, 1 5 5 Kerry Collins Panthers QB, 1 9 9 Kyle Brady Jets TE. Some prototypical busts here.

 

Need I continue? Didn't even get to Tony Sacca and Blair Thomas...

[Zombo]

I guess Hali (bust) is/was better than Courtney Brown (mega-bust).

 

Perhaps I guess I should have stated that quality counts. I can't think of another school that produces more NFL busts than Penn State. Can you?

 

Here are Penn State draftees from rounds 1 and 2, rounds where you need to get quality.

 

2007 1 5 5 Levi Brown Cardinals T, 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny Bills LB. Jury still out.

 

2006 1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE. Brutal.

 

2003 was a vintage year for Penn State busts. 1 12 12 Jimmy Kennedy Rams DT, 1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears DE (out of the NFL), 1 17 17 Bryant Johnson Cardinals WR, 1 27 27 Larry Johnson Chiefs RB, 2 23 55 Bryan Scott Falcons DB and 2 25 57 Anthony Adams 49ers DT. Just wow.

 

2000 1 1 1 Courtney Brown Browns DE, 1 2 2 LaVar Arrington Redskins LB. Another solid PSU bust year.

 

1998 1 5 5 Curtis Enis Bears RB, 2 25 55 Joe Jurevicius Giants WR. When Joey J. is the biggest "non-bust" so far, you start to get the point.

 

1997 2 28 58 Kim Herring Ravens DB. OK.

 

1996 1 23 23 Jeff Hartings Lions G (solid), 1 30 30 Andre Johnson Redskins T (who?), 2 22 52 Bobby Engram Bears WR (solid). Probably PSU's best draft.

 

1995 1 1 1 Ki-Jana Carter Bengals RB, 1 5 5 Kerry Collins Panthers QB, 1 9 9 Kyle Brady Jets TE. Some prototypical busts here.

 

Need I continue? Didn't even get to Tony Sacca and Blair Thomas...

 

First of all, you seem to have some sort of harsh definiton of "bust" ... Kennedy, Haynes, the running backs from the 90's ...sure.

 

Lavar Arrington was a Pro Bowler and Kerry Collins could be taking two teams to the Super bowl, three to league championships and you seem to have them classified as busts.

 

I would consider a bust a guy that fizzles out of the NFL before his second contract. There's a few of those, but then you have guys like Larry Johnson setting records and Kareem Mckenzie being pure gold out of the third round.

 

You can pick any team, outside of Miami, over the past twenty years, and I can show you how half their guys haven't worked out. Ohio St., USC ... pick one.

 

Zombo

--Have you watchd Poz play? Haven't heard Card fans complaining about Levi Brown either...

[Guest mz.]

I guess I would classify "bust" as a guy who doesn't come close to justifying his draft position with his play.

 

As much as I hate OSU, their track-record for 1st round picks panning out seems much better to me than PSU.

 

2008 1 6 6 Vernon Gholston Jets DE

2007 1 9 9 Ted Ginn Jr. Dolphins WR, 1 32 32 Anthony Gonzalez Colts WR

2006 1 5 5 A.J. Hawk Packers LB, 1 8 8 Donte Whitner Bills DB, 1 18 18 Bobby Carpenter Cowboys LB, 1 25 25 Santonio Holmes Steelers WR, 1 29 29 Nick Mangold Jets C

2004 1 18 18 Will Smith Saints DE, 1 28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB, 1 29 29 Michael Jenkins Falcons WR

2003 2 26 58 Mike Doss Colts DB

2002 2 12 44 LeCharles Bentley Saints C

2001 1 21 21 Nate Clements Bills DB, 1 29 29 Ryan Pickett Rams DE

2000 1 24 24 Ahmed Plummer 49ers DB

1999 1 8 8 David Boston Cardinals WR, 1 23 23 Antoine Winfield Bills DB, 1 28 28 Andy Katzenmoyer Patriots LB, 2 18 49 Joe Montgomery Giants RB

1997 1 1 1 Orlando Pace Rams T, 1 3 3 Shawn Springs Seahawks DB, 2 3 33 Rob Kelly Saints DB

1996 1 7 7 Terry Glenn Patriots WR, 1 9 9 Rickey Dudley Raiders TE, 1 14 14 Eddie George

1995 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks WR, 1 24 24 Korey Stringer Vikings T, 1 30 30 Craig Powell Browns LB

 

Sure, there are busts in here (Doss, Plummer, Dudley, Powell, class of 1999...wow), but this looks MUCH better to me.

 

I didn't classify Collins as a bust. He just happened to be in that Carter/Brady draft class. Arrington was an injury casualty. So not a true bust, per se (I'd classify him the same I would LeCharles Bentley).

 

But pretty much everything else at PSU, save for Poz and maybe Levi Brown, was a washout, especially when taking draft position into consideration.

 

BOTTOM LINE: I'm hoping we avoid this Maybin guy like the plague.

 

 

 

[Guest mz.]

Shit, you're better off investing in Syracuse guys...

 

2007 4 106 Tanard Jackson CB Buccaneers

 

2006 3 83 Anthony Smith S Steelers

 

2005 2 64 Adam Terry OT Ravens

 

2002 1 11 Dwight Freeney DE Colts

 

2001 1 22 Will Allen DB Giants

 

2000 1 30 Keith Bulluck LB Titans

 

1999 1 2 Donovan McNabb QB Eagles

 

1999 2 32 Kevin Johnson WR Browns

 

1999 2 43 Rob Konrad RB Dolphins

 

1998 1 22 Tebucky Jones DB Patriots

 

1998 1 25 Donovin Darius DB Jaguars

 

[Zombo]

Shit, you're better off investing in Syracuse guys...

 

2007 4 106 Tanard Jackson CB Buccaneers

 

2006 3 83 Anthony Smith S Steelers

 

2005 2 64 Adam Terry OT Ravens

 

2002 1 11 Dwight Freeney DE Colts

Yeah .... ten years ago.

 

Three guys drafted since 2002?

 

Zombo

--Kyle Brady was no bust, 13 years in the NFL, EXCELLENT blocking tight end,

 

 

[Guest mz.]

The Syracuse post was a joke. I know how shitty the program has been. And those were selected picks.

 

And you'd be pleased if the Browns drafted Kyle Brady ninth overall???? You'd murder somebody.

[Zombo]

The Syracuse post was a joke. I know how shitty the program has been. And those were selected picks.

 

And you'd be pleased if the Browns drafted Kyle Brady ninth overall???? You'd murder somebody.

 

I wish Winslow could block like Kyle Brady. The Jags ran real well to his side for years.

 

Not to mention 343 catches and 42 TDs.

 

No Hall-of-Famer, but not his fault he was drafted ninth and Belichick was so gay for him ... he was a solid, solid tight end for many years in the NFL, no shame in that.

 

Zombo

[Guest mz.]

It wasn't Brady's fault he was drafted there, but it just serves as another reminder of how overrated PSU players are coming out of college, that's all. Brady's like a better Mark Bruener...

 

And I can find a blocking TE in the later rounds.

[JewDago]

notes from watching oregon:

 

two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.

 

chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.

 

t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.

 

i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.

 

jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.

 

two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.

 

masoli won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.

 

one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.

[WPB Dawg Fan]

notes from watching oregon:

 

two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.

 

chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.

 

Yeah, I have been talking about Chung for a while now. He strikes me as a Troy Palamalu type guy. In the first half he tackled the 260 lb TE and flattened the guy...and Chung didn't even go down. He gave up 60 lbs and won easily. He seemed to have decent speed as well.

 

I would love a combo of Curry and Chung for rounds 1 and 2...and then get whatever we can for DA and Winslow to snag a RB and DE.

 

[Dawg Pound]

notes from watching oregon:

 

two players really stood out to me: patrick chung and t.j. ward, both of oregon's safeties. they're both smaller guys, 5'11", and chung's got 20 pounds on ward, 210 to 190, but both are absolutely huge hitters. they flat-out demolish people. the guys they hit bounce off the turf. it's fantastic to watch. they also support the run well and come up to level RBs before they can get through the secondary. most of the time, they were there within six yards of the LOS.

 

chung had a pass interference penalty called on him when he had to defend a slot WR running a wheel route. it wasn't the most egregious penalty ever and wasn't nearly as bad as william moore looked in coverage against northwestern. chung's gonna be a solid guy. definitely the second-best in the draft after mays.

 

t.j. ward is only a redshirt junior, so he may or may not be coming out this year. based on his low weight, i think he'll stay another year if he wants to be a serious candidate for the NFL.

 

i didn't specifically watch unger, but the ducks ran all over oklahoma state. their QB and one RB went over 100 yards and another guy had 70+, so i'd say unger blocks pretty well.

 

jeremiah johnson, their RB, backed up jonathan stewart last year, and is a decent RB. he's solid, not spectacular. he doesn't really make people miss all that much or run them over, but he's a jack of all trades and does everything well. good hands, good vision.

 

two oregon offensive players looked good: lagarrette blount, a junior RB, and jeremiah masoli, their sophomore QB. blount is a big guy (6'2", 238) and runs with power, dragging people and bowling them over on his way to the end zone. brandon jacobs.

 

 

jeremiah johnson won't cut it in the NFL, which is a shame. he's only 5'11", which means he's a slot receiver if he can learn the position. however, he runs with power. he destroyed a oklahoma state DB. completely knocked him on his ass on his way to the end zone. has great vision, too.

 

one last guy whose name i heard called quite a few times was junior defensive end will tukuafu, who goes 6'4", 278. he had at least one sack and stopped another run behind the LOS. definitely worth a look as a 3-4 DE. he has the size and has produced on the field.

Jeremiah johnson was considered the better back when Stewart was still at Oregon so that is saying something about him. He will be a great pro in a 2 back system.

Masoli is only a sophomore so he has plenty of time.

[Guest Aloysius]

Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to watch the Oregon game. Thanks for the putting together a writeup on what you noticed, JD. It's good to hear that Chung looked solid in the game.

 

Blount's going to be a stud in the NFL. Ever since someone sent me this clip earlier this year, I've been hoping that he'd declare for this year's draft.

 

 

I'm guessing he returns to Oregon for another year & ends up being a 2010 1st Round pick.

 

Hadn't heard of DE Will Tukuafu before you mentioned him, but he sounds like an interesting prospect. He's only a junior, so we'll have to keep an eye on him next season.

[Guest Aloysius]

Tony Pauline put together a great list of prospects to watch in tomorrow's game.

 

I can't do better than that, so I'll just recommend you guys check out his Prospects to Watch list.

[PlaygroundLegend]

Ready for Rey tonight anyone?