Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
ATENEARS

Head-to-Head Hits & New Rule Discussion

Recommended Posts

Our Steeler trolls can defend their boy all they want to. I won't start laughing at them until the fines come out.

 

BTW, if the Cribbs hit was "clean"- I've watched it several times, and Josh is damn lucky he didn't get his neck broken from the force of that collision.

 

Speaking of- if Harrison wants to keep leading with his helmet, he'll get little sympathy from elsewhere in the league if on one of those hits he crushes his own spinal column, and winds up in a wheelchair the rest of his life.

 

 

Yep, and karma is a bitch too!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
i'm waiting for the steelers fans here to try to defend this. Please...let me here your thoughts you inbred idiots!

 

 

Forget it. In their eyes their beloved shit head team can never do any wrong!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On the Cribbs hit:

"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis

"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini

 

Where's your source from? Because this article says differently:

 

"I thought it was helmet-to-helmet contact for sure and I thought he should've gotten a penalty," said Hillis. "We ended up getting a penalty ourselves. I was pretty upset about it, but the refs make the call."

 

I found this blurb interesting later on in that same article:

<<< In week two, Harrison was fined $5,000 for slamming Tennessee's Vince Young to the turf -- despite not being penalized. >>>

 

Another non-flag ... you guys must really lap up those refs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Where's your source from? Because this article says differently:

 

"I thought it was helmet-to-helmet contact for sure and I thought he should've gotten a penalty," said Hillis. "We ended up getting a penalty ourselves. I was pretty upset about it, but the refs make the call."

 

I found this blurb interesting later on in that same article:

<<< In week two, Harrison was fined $5,000 for slamming Tennessee's Vince Young to the turf -- despite not being penalized. >>>

 

Another non-flag ... you guys must really lap up those refs.

 

 

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it??? :rolleyes:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Facemask to the ground, arms have already taken a forearm chop, body misseled like a spear into a defenseless receiver ... yep, he will get fined, or at least if he didn't play for the Steelers he would. If the fine is under $20,000 for knocking two players out of the contest, and a repeat offense on the young season, it's a damn shame.

8973342-large.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
didn't see the hit, but again........i can remember only like 3 dirty helmet to helmet hits and all 3 occured on a QB when one person was already tying him up and another came in from the side and actually had THE TIME to see it and make sure their helmets collided.

 

 

other than that they are all unintentional.................the game is just played too fast for anything to be intentional.

 

 

Here is the deal: I do not believe that Harrison's hit on Cribbs was intentional. It was just a reaction play. Nevertheless, helmet to helmet contact like that is illegal and probably should have been flagged. I would venture to say that almost no helmet to helmet collisions are "intentional" but that doesn't mean they are not against the rules. I have had tons and tons of people appear in court in front of me who didn't "mean" to violate a traffic law. But they did violate it, and they had to pay the fine.

On Massaquoi, I don't see where Harrison could have done anything else besides try not to make the tackle. All he did was put his hands up at shoulder level and push. I mean, a human's hands ARE connected at the shoulder, not at the hip or knees. His hands were in his natural position, so that one didn't bring a flag, nor should it probably bring a fine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The NFL will dance around it until someone dies on the field and then they will still try to avoid it but it has to be fixed.

 

The reason these vicious (yet legal) hits are causing more damage is because players are getting bigger, faster, and stronger every year thanks to the blind eye the NFL turns on HGH and steroids.

 

The NFL pretends it's anything and everything else.....they change the rules, they bring in doctors who say "oh it's always been like this, we just never paid attention to it before" BULL SHIT!

 

Harrison is a mean mother xxxxer and he is just one of hundreds of guys out there who can inflict serious damage because the NFL wants these guys to be freaks of nature........it makes them money!

 

Yes, and really, what else can they do. So much of these hits as I said before are just based on a player's natural instincts or their natural positioning. Should they discourage such hits? Sure, but how? Make them play without helmets? Obviously not. Leather helmets? No. No facemasks? No.

At some point in the NFL a defender who is making what will essentially be an unpremeditated spearing motion with his helmet is going to snap his neck. It has happened in college. But what are they going to do to outlaw it? Play flag football?

How will the NFL control it? In a sense I believe that TJ Ward did what it is the NFL wanted defenders to do....don't lead with the helmet of the forearm, use the shoulder pads. He did that and got fined. Harrison just exercised his natural instincts. One I believe did violate the rules, the other probably not. You can't tell them not to hit people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I understand that the hard hits is all around the league. The frustration is the non-stop bitching about Harrison's hits which I don't think were illegal, but even if they draw a fine, it's frustrating to try to discuss the issue when someone's only input is Harrison, Harrison, Harrison when in fact TJ Ward made the worst helmet to helmet contact in the entire game.

 

Really? Where was that?

 

Are you talking about the Steelers game? I don't recall seeing it on the replays, nor even any announcers pointing it out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Oh really? Wasn't it the CLEVELAND BROWNS who had multiple players connected to HGH doctor Galea? http://www.cleveland-browns-blog.com/cleve...with-dr-an.html

 

Poster child for rape..... NO CHARGES, let alone convictions. How about Lawrence Taylor, wouldnt he be the rape poster child? Wouldn't Cleveland be the poster child for losing, whining, and staph infections?

 

 

Why are you gripping, whining and groaning so bad. Didn't your team win? Can't you handle winning graciously?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Who cares if he gets fined? I'm shocked to see how many people forget how nasty this rivalry was when it was actually a rivalry. Things like this happened in the first drive in games before the browns moved to Baltimore. I look at all the hits mentioned (harrisons two and Wards) and I say none of them should be flagged. Play football and put up or get beat down.

 

I look forward to the rivalry getting back to that point someday and it looks like they might actually have a QB worth something. Now just don't get him killed or benched because of staph and you might actually have something to build on.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If I showed you two thousand examples of how Cleveland is a shithole and it's teams suck and it's fans are assholes would you commit suicide? No, of course you wouldn't! Once you open your eyes to the world of football outside Cleveland you will understand that you can find a column or a talk show host to support any angle you may want to bitch about.

 

Look closely at the MoMass hit...........THE xxxxING HELMETS NEVER TOUCHED!

 

 

FYI, when Jack Tatum his Daryl Stingley the helmets there didn't touch either. I am not saying that Harrison's hit on MoMass was illegal. I am just saying that if a defender hits a WR with a forearm shiver, that too I believe is illegal.

On TJ Ward's hit against Cincy I do not believe either the helmets touched nor did he hit him with the forearm, only the shoulder, yet that was still called illegal. Thus, helmets hitting is not the only requirement.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On the Cribbs hit:

"It was definitely a clean hit." - Peyton Hillis

"I thought it was a clean play" - Eric Mangini

 

 

I guess we'll just need to leave it up to the league to make the determination.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The Cribbs hit to me was 100% legal. That Massaquoi hit was borderline.

 

I actually think it is the other way around, primarily because the Cribbs hit was pure helmet on helmet. If that one is not illegal, then apparently there is some confusion about the rule. When is pure helmet to helmet legal and when is it not?

 

It could have drawn a penalty and might draw a fine. If I am coaching the team I'd tell players to shy away from hitting a receiver in that position above the chest for fear of drawing a flag. I cant say it was a dirty hit, Massaquoi saw Harrison coming and started to duck, Harrison hit the shoulder first then the head. In that situation you tell your defensive football players to hit the guy as hard as possible to separate him from the ball. Harrison did that. I don't believe he intentionally aimed for the head, you could clearly see Massaquoi starting to duck or slide which brought his head into the strike zone.

 

Point is, this is football. Hard hits are part of the game. You want to try to avoid hits to the head when possible, but the game is played at a high rate of speed with a lot of aggression and violence, that is what makes it a great game. If you are going to try and smash a player as hard as possible in the chest and he ducks or turns slightly you may end up with a vicious head shot. Should it be fined? I don't think so but I'm sure Goodell will continue to pass out fines for everything.

 

By your statements above then you should probably argue that TJ Ward's hit against Cincy should not have been called or fined. Fair to say?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Our Steeler trolls can defend their boy all they want to. I won't start laughing at them until the fines come out.

 

BTW, if the Cribbs hit was "clean"- I've watched it several times, and Josh is damn lucky he didn't get his neck broken from the force of that collision.

 

Speaking of- if Harrison wants to keep leading with his helmet, he'll get little sympathy from elsewhere in the league if on one of those hits he crushes his own spinal column, and winds up in a wheelchair the rest of his life.

 

That is true. Ultimately it is the defender who is more at risk from spinal damage than the offensive player. The funny thing is the guy went to school only about 3 miles from where I sit. Outside my office is a bar where on the 3rd of each month you see these scooters going in and out with disabled guys who have their little orange and red triangle caution signs on them. They are in the bar spending their social security checks. If that happened to Harrison I might have to start looking for his scooter across the street.:

Picture-1.png

 

Frankly, you trolls are a bunch of hypocrites- if TJ had taken out Hiney and Mendenhall with similar blasts to the head and no penalties called, I guarantee you'd be over here crying like babies about it too.

 

My question is: why didn't he do that? Perhaps he is being cautious?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The NFL needs to throw the "loopholes" out. None of this "defenseless receiver" stuff...the hit on Cribbs was damn near criminal & the ruling should be ANY such hits, regardless what position the victimized player plays. The man didn't even think about involving his arms. Harrison simply made his body a "missile" with his helmet as the warhead.

My hope is that if he's not suspended that Brown's players take care of business next meeting.

In addition, some officials need to have their wallets hit & hit HARD!

Mike

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The NFL needs to throw the "loopholes" out. None of this "defenseless receiver" stuff...the hit on Cribbs was damn near criminal & the ruling should be ANY such hits, regardless what position the victimized player plays. The man didn't even think about involving his arms. Harrison simply made his body a "missile" with his helmet as the warhead.

My hope is that if he's not suspended that Brown's players take care of business next meeting.

In addition, some officials need to have their wallets hit & hit HARD!Mike

 

 

Agree, but I don't think that anything will happen to the officials. Unfortunately they seem to be untouchable! I mean, if a coach can get fined for calling out officials what would make any of us think that the NFL would do anything about them?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
If you Steeler fans want to argue "Cribbs was a running back" and exonerate Harrison. OK But to you trolls my DVR fame by frame of the Massaquoi massacre CLEARLY shows Harrison led with his head, it was deliberate, and he's gonna get fined.

 

Uh, excuse me, but on that play Cribbs was playing Quarterback, not Running back.

 

Besides, perhaps I am confused by this rule....why does it make a damn bit of difference if you are a RB, QB, WR, TE or a defender returning an interception. Aren't the helmet to helmet hits illegal on everyone?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
In all seriousness, I hope the next time Harrison leads with his helmet and hits someone, that he snaps his own neck and paralyzes his own damn self.

 

Darn right I said it. And I mean it. I am sick of watching this ape week in and week out do this stuff. It is not just against the Browns. It is a weekly thing for him.

 

He comes from a thug family, and it be only fitting he acts like this on the field.

 

It would not make me blink and eye if this happened. Be another shining example to the idiots who want to use their helmet as a missile.

 

Call me a dick. Call me an ass. I could care less. What goes around comes around. He earned it.

 

they can train monkeys to go into outerspace i guess they can train them to get around in a wheelchair.

 

 

Looks like it's only the Steelers fans who want to live in denial about the hits by Harrison yesterday

 

they've been living in denial about Big Ben for years, what's new?

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Get a good video of the hit, you will see that Harrison didn't use his helmet.

 

Neither did Ward. He didn't even use his forearm. It was all shoulder.

The thing is, these refs seem to be applying these rules in an very arbitrary manner.

Is it a question of which crew is working? Or what?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gipper wrote:

I actually think it is the other way around, primarily because the Cribbs hit was pure helmet on helmet. If that one is not illegal, then apparently there is some confusion about the rule. When is pure helmet to helmet legal and when is it not?

 

By your statements above then you should probably argue that TJ Ward's hit against Cincy should not have been called or fined. Fair to say?

 

Cribbs was a ballcarrier, not a defenseless receiver. Harrison was coming across the field and earholed him. That was just a hard football play. Hillis and Mangini both said it was a clean hit. So did Lawrence Vickers, who said to Harrison "Hey, man, that’s football, that happens."

 

As far as TJ Ward, his hit was borderline. (the Shipley hit) By rule Ward's hit on Mendenhall isn't a penalty because like Cribbs he was a ballcarrier. Ward put the crown of his helmet straight into Mendenhall's facemask instead of trying to tackle him. I don't expect a fine or flag for that, but sure it is borderline dirty, borderline hard hit.

 

Ward's hit on Shipley, he seemed to intentionally rise up to hit him in the head with a shoulder where he could have kept his pad level and blasted him in the chest. That is the only problem I have there. I think a penalty was warranted, not a fine. It wasn't a scenario where both were going full speed and they hit head to head, Ward was stationary and time to level him up, and went upwards to make the hit. Now, if you go back and look at the hit Ryan Clark put on Willis McGahee, Clark just didn't look to see what he was hitting. He ducked his head and lowered his shoulder, McGahee lowered his pads to brace for the hits and both players got rocked, with McGahee taking the worst of the blow.

 

All I can say is, I like hard hitting football. It is a collision sport played at a high rate of speed and big hits and injuries are bound to happen. As long as a player isn't intentionally going high there should not be a penalty or fine. When you make a big hit you should lead with your shoulders, but the head just so happens to be connected to the shoulders, so naturally heads are going to bang together. I like Hines Ward's solution. If you want to eliminate people hitting with helmets go back to leather helmets with no facemasks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD

 

 

get over it Massaquoi ducked and boom stuff happen in real time

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest c-dawg
Cribbs was a ballcarrier, not a defenseless receiver. Harrison was coming across the field and earholed him. That was just a hard football play.

 

Really, Silverbag?

 

Check it out, the NFL feels differently:

 

15 Yards, Automatic First Down for:

 

# Chop block.

# Clipping below the waist.

# Fair catch interference.

# Illegal crackback block by offense.

# Piling on.

# Roughing the kicker.

# Roughing the passer.

# Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask.

# Unnecessary roughness.

# Unsportsmanlike conduct.

# Delay of game at start of either half.

# Illegal low block.

# A tackler using his helmet to butt, spear, or ram an opponent.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Harrison deliberately took out Cribbs, who hurt them with the TD's last year, and who would have run a lot of

 

plays in the WildDawg to take the heat off McCoy.

 

Then he deliberately took out the Browns leading wr.

 

and not one flag was thrown in pittstinkburg.

 

Official(s) have to be on the take or something. The NFL needs to suspend at least one referree now.

 

Harrison is just another cheap shot artist.

 

I cannot believe NEITHER flag was thrown.

 

Harrison needs to be suspended. A fine does nothing.

 

OK, well then it is time for the Browns to man up and dispense a little of their own street justice.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Wow ....Really ?? He was Catching a Ball and about to Run down-field with it . Is this not a Contact Sport ?

 

 

Whatever. Don't whine when that Bitch "Payback" makes her call. (And I don't even mean that it has to be the Browns that gives her the invitation. It could be any team on your schedule that would ask her in)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
You would think the guy's name is Massengil for all the pissing and moaning going on here about a hit in a FOOTBALL GAME!

 

 

The good thing for you is that you know that when someone goes helmet to helmet on BR and you lose him to concussion it will be no great loss, as you know you can certainly win without him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×