48,000 Murdered since 911

[Mr. T]

 

 

Over 48,000 Americans have been murdered at the hands of illegals since 911. And we dont watch our borders? Whats up with that?

[heckofajobbrownie]

You're the craziest person I've ever come across.

[Mr. T]

Why thank you heckless! you should come down and do some fishing with me. I have plenty of time for that today. lol!

[Pumpkin Eater]

It's a huge problem that, for whatever reason, some people choose to ignore. They won't be able to ignore it when they are robbed by an illegal, hit by a drunk driving illegal, or catch a disease that the was once eradicated in the US because of vaccinations but is now being transmitted by illegals.

[calfoxwc]

Heck, you think it's crazy to not want those gruesome murders and rapes stopped?

 

You think it's good to keep letting these poor illegals in to have a "better life" ?

 

You are that sold out to allowing and supporting THIS just for Democratic VOTES?

 

Don't ever call anybody any derogatory term again on this board, or

 

you will eventually turn into an avocado.

 

Avoid the stress of being a thoughtless, unprincipled American with no values.

 

Forget what socialist crap you learned on the street.

 

Get right with reality.

 

Pray.

 

Get a haircut, start eating your broccoli.

 

Start reading some good conservative books. Learn what's real,

 

and what all you have been missing.

 

And please, think twice before hopping around in a circle on one foot with a finger in each nostril,

 

in a huge crowd, while screaming "haha, I am far more sophisticated and sane that the rest of you idiots"

[heckofajobbrownie]

I think it's crazy because he actually believes this statistic is true, and so do you.

 

That would mean illegals murder about 15 American citizens every single day. You believe that? Does anyone believe that?

 

This is why T is crazy. He'll believe anything he reads in World Net Daily.

[Mr. T]

In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.

 

There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.

 

80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.

 

Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.

 

In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.

 

At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..

 

56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.

Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.

 

Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.

 

Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.

 

Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.

 

There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.

 

Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.

Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.

 

In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.

Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.

 

The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.

The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year.

 

Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.

 

Still think illegal immigration is a "victimless crime" and we don't need to control our borders? Remember, about 60% of the crimes being committed are by illegal aliens who were previously deported.

 

Source

[heckofajobbrownie]

Yes, another wonderful source on information. I'm sure Snopes or a similar site has a piece refuting most of this.

 

But T, care to substantiate your claim that 48,000 American citizens have been murdered by illegal aliens since 9/11? Like I said, that works out to 15 murders a day.

 

Do you seriously believe that? Want to retract it?

[calfoxwc]

No, Heck, you are a liar.

 

You just lied. You KNOW you don't know what I believe about that.

 

I personally question all sorts of "estimates".

 

But the only comment you have, is to diss the alleged number of crimes?

 

As in, let those illegals in to come vote for us, because the real number isn't

 

anywhere close to 48000?

 

Maybe only say, 23,000, so it's okay with you? Or what?

 

You won't admit the problem is serious because the number quoted is

 

maybe/probably exaggerated?

 

What a "smokie-smokie longhair" you seem to be.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Illegal aliens can't vote, Cal.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Illegal aliens can't vote, Cal.

 

 

If granted amnesty, they could.

[Mr. T]

Kidnapping Capital of the U.S.A. - ABC News

 

Phoenix, Arizona has become the kidnapping capital of America, with more incidents than any other city in the world outside of Mexico City and over 370 cases last year alone. But local authorities say Washington, DC is too obsessed with al Qaeda terrorists to care about what is happening in their own backyard right now.

 

source

[Mr. T]

Illegal aliens can't vote, Cal.

 

 

They dont check ID's here in NC when you pull in for motor voter or same day registration, show up register and vote.

 

Oh' Snap!!!! Look what I stole? ..... an election.

[heckofajobbrownie]

T, can you back up that stat?

[Mr. T]

When i voted in 2008, a poll worker told me how it worked. he witnessed it first hand. He also mentioned how bus loads of folks would show up to vote. then you would have folks driving around and allowing the handicap(as in not sure how to say it to be nice but Retarded) to vote. My barber asked one who he voted for and he stated, my mother. It's almost as bad as those old Chicago elections when the dead would vote.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Of course, there's nothing wrong with busing in people to vote. Both sides do it all the time, particularly with the elderly and yes, the handicapped, who have a tougher time getting to the polls.

 

The question is whether you want to stick with the claim you made, and I'm guessing you don't.

 

And you shouldn't. It's simply not true.

[DieHardBrownsFan]

Regardless if the figure of murders is accurate or not, I'm sure even Heck can agree that Illegals cause a lot of crimewherever they live. They are not all peaceful grape pickers. The urinate on the street and drink while waiting for a job. They harass women who walk by. They drive without licenses and cause accidents and flee the area. They have no official identity so they can relocate with little or no notice to another state. Even up here in NE Ohio they are growing like cockroaches. Time to call the exterminator.

[heckofajobbrownie]

You've got issues, man.

 

Here's a crazy idea: Let's not pull things out of our ass. I don't have to wonder whether or not T's figures are correct. I know they're not correct. They're not even close to being correct. Anyone who took 3 seconds to think what he was alleging would know he's not correct. But he'll never admit he's lost. Because, you know, he's lost.

 

As for your point, of course they're not all perfect would-be citizens who just want to work. You can't take 13 million of any group and not have people who would do bad things. But a vast majority of them are people who just want to work. And the reason many of you don't see that is because you believe made up shit about how vicious and murderous they are.

 

Seriously, if illegals committed 15 acts of murder on American citizens every day, that would be a bigger problem than terrorism. But they don't. That's just something Captain Crazy got off an internet site run by other crazy people. So you need to rethink your opinion.

 

What we do know is that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than regular American citizens do. That's a fact. So if you're trying to convince me that illegal aliens are somehow a more dangerous and violent group because they commit less crime than American citizens do, you should stop and think for a second. You just don't have the statistics to back up what you're saying. You have to make up how dangerous they are in order to make them more dangerous, so you can fit it with your notion of how dangerous they are.

 

And let's get real: if you want to see men cat call and harass women, just go to construction site or a football game or a bar in Jersey. It's hardly something unique to illegal aliens.

 

And do me a favor: after likening them to cockroaches that need to be exterminated, let's get to the part where you say you're not a racist. I love having them both in the same thread.

[Westside Steve]

let's get to the part where you say you're not a racist. .

 

I knew that one was coming!

 

Heck do you know what the actual figures are?

WSS

[VaporTrail]

Well they certainly aren't 48k, and they're not 24k as cal mentioned. If it's a sixth as many as that, then our air force starts operation ground n pound.

[Pumpkin Eater]

All illegal aliens are criminals. Let's cut out that bullshit right now. They broke our laws when they crossed the border. So 100% of illegals commit crimes and are criminals. Kind of hard to say they commit crimes at a lower rate than Americans, unless you are trying to say that 100% of all Americans have committed more than one federal crime.

 

Aside from the crime they committed by entering the country illegally, who cares about your allegations that they commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens. It's still a crime being committed that would not have been if they had not been here. Aside from that, they also commit a crime every time they work in our country. So it's really kind of hard to believe that they commit fewer crimes, unless they don't work. If not, why the hell are they here?

[heckofajobbrownie]

I knew that one was coming!

 

Heck do you know what the actual figures are?

WSS

 

You're saying it's not warranted? I really don't think you're the best judge of this. You wouldn't know racism if it bit you on the ass.

 

Again, apply the public test. This guy likens illegal immigrants to cockroaches and says it's time to bring in the exterminator.

 

It'd be the most racist and embarrassing public statement in years. He'd never hold a public job again.

 

It's okay in here, though. Let the dehumanization continue. Throw in some "jokes" about shooting them with 50 caliber machine guns while you're at it. You're all wonderful Christian people.

 

Oh, and I love where you create the "heads, I win/tails you lose" situations, where you can't even point out clear examples of racism, because that would be just like someone who points out racism. Or something. But you guys on the right were doing just fine with the other one, where you back policies that blow a hole in the budget, and then when someone points out that those policies blew a hole in the budget you say, "Stop blaming Bush! Quit looking backwards!"

 

It's a fun game to play. Completely dishonest and juvenile, but I'm glad you're enjoying it.

[heckofajobbrownie]

All illegal aliens are criminals. Let's cut out that bullshit right now. They broke our laws when they crossed the border. So 100% of illegals commit crimes and are criminals. Kind of hard to say they commit crimes at a lower rate than Americans, unless you are trying to say that 100% of all Americans have committed more than one federal crime.

 

Aside from the crime they committed by entering the country illegally, who cares about your allegations that they commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens. It's still a crime being committed that would not have been if they had not been here. Aside from that, they also commit a crime every time they work in our country. So it's really kind of hard to believe that they commit fewer crimes, unless they don't work. If not, why the hell are they here?

 

It's not hard to say they commit crimes at a lower rate than Americans do. It's a fact. They keep records. They've studied it. And it's true. You can even hear that fact repeated on Fox News.

 

If you want to say they're all criminals because they broke the law getting here and working here, fine with me. They have broken the law. But we weren't talking about that. We're talking about violent crimes, and property crimes, the type alleged in this ludicrous thread.

 

And they commit fewer of those crimes than the general population.

 

Now, you seem to want them all out of the country. I don't, and prefer that we establish a more sensible guest worker policy that includes a path to citizenship, along with an increase in H1B visas. Because immigrant labor benefits us more than it costs us.

 

All the studies show that too.

 

But we need to create a system that works a whole lot better than chasing people around the border, deporting some, not others; where we benefit from their labor, but also treat them like second class citizens who need to watch their backs.

 

And I don't think sensible policy ideas come from people who are governed and motivated by enmity more than anything else.

[calfoxwc]

Oh, pulleeze, Heck.

 

Do or do you not know the CORRECT figures, then?

 

Do you understand, that the hideous crimes by ILLEGALS does not compare

with your dumb comparison to all crimes by legit citizens?

 

Do you know that raping and cutting up women is not the same

as stealing a pair of shoes at Walmart?

 

You want them here? This is because... they will have the right to vote?

 

Of course they can't vote... UNTIL they get AMNESTY under your corrupt Obamao regime.

 

"Bring em in, let us take in ALL of the hardcore criminal element from Mexico, so they don't

have to build asylums and prisons for them."

 

Pitiful. Really locked in political mercenary cult member pitiful.

[Mr. T]

A Real Eye Opener

 

WHY is the USA BANKRUPT?

 

You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

 

 

You will find that the cost of having Illegals in the USA to be RIDICULOUS.

 

 

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them. I also have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts...

 

1 $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.

 

Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...ssuecenters7fd8

 

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

 

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

 

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

 

Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

 

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt..0.HTML

 

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

 

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/.../01/ldt.01.HTML

 

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML <http://transcripts/..;" "http://cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML%3E;"

 

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

 

Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML

 

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20P.../01/ldt.01.HTML

 

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .

 

Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn..com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML <" href="http://transcriptscnn.com/TRANscriptS/0606/12/ldt..01.HTML%3E" target=_blank>

 

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.

 

Verify at: Homeland Security Report:

 

12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'

 

Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..org/PDF/deportation.PDF

 

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

 

Verify at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm <http://rense.com/general75/niht.htm%3E; <" href="http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm%3E" target=_blank>

 

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'

 

Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E; <" href="%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml <http://20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E; <;? ? " href="http://20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml%3E;%C2%A0%C2%A0" target=_blank>

 

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

 

Are we THAT stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S.CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!!!

 

If this doesn't bother you then just delete the message. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you forward it to every legal resident in the United States AND PLEASE REMEMBER IT AT THE NEXT ELECTIONS!!!

[Westside Steve]

You're saying it's not warranted? I really don't think you're the best judge of this. You wouldn't know racism if it bit you on the ass.

 

Sure I do Heck.

It's when you use race as an excuse for nearly every political gripe you have.

Targeting voting blocs by race.

Making one race or another exempt frm some of the rules.

That stuff.

Or just calling everybody you don't like a racist.

Makes fellows like you think they look superior.

 

But you didn't answer my question.

I only asked you what the actual rate was since you seemed to know.

 

 

But feel free to bite me on the ass..........

WSS

[Chicopee John]

>>What we do know is that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than regular American citizens do. >>

 

I'm not disputing this - or not - Heck but what is the source of this data?

 

Of course the illegal alien problem goes well beyond crime to services provided, etc.

 

I know all illegals are not bad people - I have come across more than one very nice and hard working illegals - they would love to become citizens but, for one reason or another, cannot at this time.

 

What worries me the most, however, is 'blanket' amnesty - the type built into the failed Comprehensive program developed by Kennedy and McCain. That called for decision making on individuals within 24 hours. Absolutely crazy and dangerous.

 

But I am curious about crime rates - and how it breaks down by type of crime.

[heckofajobbrownie]

Sure I do Heck.

It's when you use race as an excuse for nearly every political gripe you have.

Targeting voting blocs by race.

Making one race or another exempt frm some of the rules.

That stuff.

Or just calling everybody you don't like a racist.

Makes fellows like you think they look superior.

WSS

 

Not one of those examples is an actual example of racism. Not one.

 

Why didn't you tell me this before? It explains so much.

[Westside Steve]

Not one of those examples is an actual example of racism. Not one.

 

Why didn't you tell me this before? It explains so much.

 

 

Then tell me.

 

Or shut up abput it.

Pick one.

 

BTW here's the dictionary

I'm sure yours is better.

 

Main Entry: rac·ism

Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\

Function: noun

Date: 1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

 

 

WSS

[heckofajobbrownie]

>>What we do know is that illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than regular American citizens do. >>

 

I'm not disputing this - or not - Heck but what is the source of this data?

 

Of course the illegal alien problem goes well beyond crime to services provided, etc.

 

I know all illegals are not bad people - I have come across more than one very nice and hard working illegals - they would love to become citizens but, for one reason or another, cannot at this time.

 

What worries me the most, however, is 'blanket' amnesty - the type built into the failed Comprehensive program developed by Kennedy and McCain. That called for decision making on individuals within 24 hours. Absolutely crazy and dangerous.

 

But I am curious about crime rates - and how it breaks down by type of crime.

 

There are multiple studies done on immigration and crime rates by a bunch of different organizations, plus the government does some. It's difficult to come to conclusions some times because the data is tough to assemble. People aren't part of the system, so they're harder to track. But you can look at incarceration rates. You can look at crime statistics. None of it supports the idea that illegal aliens commit crimes at a higher rate than American citizens do.

 

There was one study by an anti-immigration group that put the figure at 2,158 murders a year. That's not murders of American citizens. That's total murders committed. But it's entirely flawed. All the guy did was look at the murder rates in the home countries, then apply it to how many of those people were here. So it's a laughable statistic. And even that is about half of the statistic T would have you believe. And he wants you to think it's not just more than double this bullshit figure, but that it's more than double this just for murders against American citizens.

 

Always beware of someone who will point you to how much illegal immigration costs the country, or states and cities, but who never acknowledge the benefits.

 

There are costs. There are benefits. When they add them all up, illegal immigration is a net benefit to the economy/taxpayers.

 

But you never hear that.

 

Now, that doesn't mean we shouldn't create a more sensible immigration system. The one we have is a mess. But we should probably know what we're talking about first, and try to discount the large portion of these gripes that stem from nativism more than anything.