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    Stefanski Introductory Press Conference

    I feel like one of the English Generals in a bright red coat surrounded by a bunch of American Patriots back in the 1700s when I say "I might have under-estimated this whole thing." I think we even named a store after the British Troops. It's called Target and it has a bright red logo. Anyway, I enjoyed the presser. Likable guy coming here with good intentions and some sense of organizational skills. Did I also hear a philosophy? Okay, maybe he's a little more than just eye candy for Dee. All that said, I've felt this way about other guys we've hired and some of them experienced a culture shock of dysfunction from the owner and his FO. The extensive trend of that has me wondering how is Jimmy and the FO going to be different this time around. When we're tanking for top picks while smarter FOs are trading up for Patrick Mahomes and DeShaun Watson - someone is not understanding the gridiron chess game here. And when Baker starts off setting a rookie record for TD passes despite just 13 starts (on a team coming off 0-16 football) - only to remove his QB Coach and our OL Coach while he awaits his 4th OC heading into just his 3rd season... IMO, a philosophy has to be set. That was the game changer in Pittsburgh back in the 70s which set up an ideal working relationship/marriage between HC and FO. They drafted accordingly, which sure made the coaching thing a lot easier. And if anyone dares to look at Terry Bradshaw's career - they will see his 1st 4 years were a disaster. I remember reading he was getting benched in his 4th season when the alternatives were only Joe Gilliam and Terry Hanratty. BUT, the FO put together 3-4 consecutive great drafts which made the gridiron chess game far less impossible. This doesn't happen if the Owner doesn't setup the environment. If our owner (who was a minority owner in Pittsburgh) finally GETS this - Stefanski has a great chance to succeed.
  2. Just wait until one of the most important/influential coaches to Stefanski gets hired as our next Offensive Coordinator. His name? Peppermint Patty Shurmur. Remember Shurmur facing 4th and 1 with a 2 score deficit in the 4th quarter at the Indy 38 yard line against the 31st ranked defense? Shurmur decided our best option was to punt the football, which went past the end zone for a touch back netting us only 18 yards. Indy thanked us for the forfeit keeping the ball for the next 6-8 minutes while everyone on the Cleveland Browns got the message from Shurmur it was okay to quit like he did that day. My dad, who was dying of cancer at the time (just 1 day before Hospice), said I can't believe this storied franchise would ever hire such a F---ing pussy. Even worse (and just like with Ray Horton), here comes the encore we can gag on... I know many think Kubiak will be the guy (OC) but he made it clear he didn't have the time for an OC gig in Minnesota (so he just played Lifeguard to the OC). You almost have to try to suck this bad as an ownership. I feel bad for Stefanski because he didn't hire himself and he's probably a nice guy. It was just the same criteria-free hiring process that has kept this sentenced to "It's only Cleveland." If the owner doesn't care while he's making the most money of his life - why should the league care if his franchise wins or loses?
  3. Good points Tour! That said he was a good OC before he came to Cleveland and took on being a HC and OC. He was awful here. We've hired a lot of Coordinators from better organizations that came here for an absolute culture shock nightmare. It's humbled and tarnished careers of some pretty well respected guys (at least outside of Cleveland). I'm playing pin the tail on the donkey. Only in this scenario the donkey is wearing the blindfolds. And the donkey is Jimmy...
  4. Sorry for venting my frustration. I've always tried been a rose colored glasses guy almost to a fault; but this owner has hired 7 Head Coaches since 2012 and he's still refusing to GET what's wrong. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about the our new Scapegoat, I mean Head Coach. Seems like a nice hard working guy with great intentions coming to a business where they're still trying to get organized at getting organized since 2012. Maybe some day someone they will actually establish some hiring criteria. Until then, it would be nice if our ownership finally hired the right guy even if by accident.
  5. Let's not get sidetracked on that. I'm just REALLY frustrated with what this pathetic ownership did with an ideal opportunity. All they care about is getting richer off the shared revenue of the TV contract. Jimmy just told everyone in the presser he doesn't need to change so he won't. Once a crook - always a crook.
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    why I hope it's not Stefansky....

    😂 Post of the thread Nero!
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    So, who would you pick as the next HC ?

    I'm starting to like the idea of this guy more every day. While the success at DC is very good - the observation of this guy on the sideline shows me a defense that plays very hard for this guy with a lot of trust behind doing so. I think we have some really good candidates, which would be fine if the people doing the hiring had the 1st clue what they're looking for and why. I think we're about due for some hiring criteria considering we've hired 7 different HCs since 2012....
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    So, who would you pick as the next HC ?

    Tia, I like some of the points you've made. That said, what makes you so sure there were grown men to coach in Denver at the time? He didn't get hired in Denver because they were playing like grown men. He got hired because they had a bunch of guys that couldn't win a pillow fight in a sorority house. You are correct that he wasn't ready for life outside of Brady and BB at the time. I was one of his biggest critics after that. That said, this isn't just 2 weeks later. I LIKE how he's a very important part of NE getting a lot of productivity out of the situational guys they've relied on in recent years. While we know how hands-on BB is - he's also very demanding of his Assistant Coaches especially his Coordinators. I know many people think their WR Corps disappointed them and they're right to an extent. However, it isn't all that different than it's ever been. Okay, so they looked to Danny Amendola to team up with Edelman instead of the guys they chose this year. IMO the change they never overcame was the loss of Gronk for all 16 games and the post season (as opposed to losing him for games to nagging injuries in year's past). He was their X-factor. In saying all this, how terrible is a 12-4 record? Must be nice to be able to complain about 12-4 football eh? You made a comment somewhere that you think Stefanski is a better leader of men but all evidence I'm seeing shows his employer assigned him a baby sitter as recently as Gary Kubiak for the 2019 season.
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    why I hope it's not Stefansky....

    So your extensive NFL background which consists of collecting football cards - you would have put everything on Kirk Cousins instad of the RB (Dalvin Cook) that carried that team? The main concerns I have about Stefanski is the team that employed him rarely trusted him enough for total empowerment. I posted his background in Minnesota which showed how many years he worked as an Assistant QB Coach. This year, they had to bring in Gary Kubiak to bail him out of the chaos that took place early on this season. I'm having difficulty seeing how this equates to Stefanski being the leader of men for all 3 phases of the game in Cleveland. None of that matters if Dee Haslam thinks the guy is gorgeous!
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    why I hope it's not Stefansky....

    What RB led the NFL in rushing? Is his team still in the playoffs today? I'll give you a hint: he also set a record with 377 yards rushing in 2 consecutive playoff games as the primary reason they beat NE and Baltimore. THAT is what sets up play-action passing for a guy like Ryan Tannehill who hasn't had a very happy NFL journey in life before handing off to Henry. In fact, it even set up a play-action TD pass from Henry. While it's not very Taco friendly - there's teams in NE and Baltimore that "Remember the Titans."
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    XFL TV schedule on ESPN revealed

    Yeah but this time of year all the hotties in Western FL are laying in the sand on the shore of the Gulf of Mexico listening to some blow hard name Flugel tell them YO QUIERO!!!! Watch Ghoolie show up in a thong and scare them away just to bust my balls!
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    So, who would you pick as the next HC ?

    Why would Schwartz take a lateral move to Coordinate a defense in Cleveland? I used to agree with your thought about McDaniel; but it looked like he finally reached puberty a year or 2 after his Denver experience. I'm actually more worried about Stefanski's ability to be THE "leader of Men" here. Kubiak already had to bail Stefanski out earlier this year when various important men on the Vikings offense were protesting his leadership of the passing game. As long as Stefanski has been with the Vikings, they've seemed reluctant to even give him the QB Coach Title without making him share it with another coach as I'll cut and paste: Year Position 2006 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach 2007 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach 2008 Minnesota Vikings Assistant to the Head Coach 2009 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach / Offensive Quality Control Coach 2010 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach 2011 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach 2012 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach 2013 Minnesota Vikings Assistant Quarterbacks Coach 2014 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach 2015 Minnesota Vikings Tight Ends Coach 2016 Minnesota Vikings Running Backs Coach 2017 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 2018 Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks Coach 2019 Minnesota Vikings Offensive Coordinator - a year the Kubiak intervention was very necessary
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    So, who would you pick as the next HC ?

    Worthy of note Gumbs; but are we giving Gary Kubiak enough credit for the turn around with the offense/passing game that started off in chaos this year? I don't know enough about the Stefanski but he was in charge of just 1 phase of the game in Minnesota. When I watched the Vikings beat New Orleans last week, the major reason they won the gridiron chess match came from their defensive line that devoured a very talented OL from New Orleans. All that said, I think winning the turnover differential should also credit the offense (and Stefanski) for the better fundamental of securing the football. And when you have a back like Cook (like Flugel's FF team Drink Beer had) - it sure opens up opportunities for ideal play-action fakes from QB that Gary Kubiak is 2nd to none at utilizing. If Stefanski can retain some of the lessons learned via Kubiak and use them the same way elsewhere it would be nice. That said, once upon a time we KEPT Lindy Infante's offense after he departed to GB - and the new OC without the same detailed understanding of the offense had zero clue how to run it and the personnel to look to in various situations (ie; blue collar types like RB Herman Fontenot and WR Brian Brennan combined for 102 receptions almost exclusively on 3rd downs in 86)... Stefanski is suddenly a popular choice; so I'm just trying to understand how he'll handle the divas in our WR Corps when they haven't really kept them all in tact in Minnesota. They even had a tantrum or 2 from Diggs on the sideline last week; but their defense dominated and swarmed Brees and company so much - it didn't matter. We don't have THAT defense or anything close to it. I didn't think I'd ever believe Josh McDaniel would be a reliable choice after what he did to Indy until I learned Cleveland was his dream job. Looking at our LB, Safety and DL positions as well as our OT and TE positions here - there's a lot of makeover necessary. For those that think Denver was the tell-all when McDaniel was reaching puberty - Bill Belichick's 1st season in Cleveland was 6-10 in 91, 7-9 in 92, 7-9 in 93 even with coaches like Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz on the staff. Then he backed out of the Jets HC position before accepting a position with the Patriots that had played in a recent SB and frequented playoffs prior. In essence, it was his first time he joined an ideal nucleus capable of rewarding all his unique strengths. While we need the changes I spoke of - there's also a good nucleus of guys to build around like (Chubb, Hunt, Landry, Bitonio, Teller, Tretter). Maybe we'll even see why Njoku is a 1st round TE. I've liked how NE always utilized all the varying skills of their RBs in the game plans with the perfect situations. The biggest changes and improvements we need here are the basic fundamentals and mechanics missing on offense and defense that usually stem from a lack of repetition in practice leading to penalties and turnovers while hurting our time of possession battles. For those of us sick of watching Freddie trying to just wing it during goal to goal situations without practicing situational football - McDaniel is the exact opposite. My second choice is Schwartz. Once upon a time Detroilet was 0-16 before Schwartz had them playing SF's SB bound team in the playoffs within a couple years or so.
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    Browns to interview McCarthy

    The last point you make Larry has me wondering how much better off we would be waiting 3-4 more weeks just to hire another Coordinator from a competent ownership/FO/HC and talented playoff team not ready for the culture shock of the shitttt at the top of this organization. We've witnessed countless Coordinators coming from way better ownerships that underestimated the culture shock of the horrible ownership here. Salt to wound, if you hire somebody too late - the challenge becomes finding the guy's first choice of assistant coaches that are still available. IMO, this is the part I think McCarthy has an advantage over others in terms of getting the help he wants that is well acquainted and experienced with his system (that worked well a large percentage of the time his QBs weren't on IR with an injured and surgically repaired collar bone). He also trained and developed Aaron Rodgers to achieve multiple Pro Bowl honors aside from all the post seasons and 1 SB Championship they won together. Dan Marino didn't win ANY Superbowls with Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson as his HCs over a combined longer period of time than Aaron Rodgers has played. That doesn't have to mean Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula weren't any good.
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    Meyer as HC and GM

    So, the evolution of hiring criteria for a HC now puts a major emphasis on cutest dimples. As for the new GM within the ever changing/never been job description now adds a breakthrough feature to promote workable relations between HC and the GM he has a large say in hiring. That would be the new GM must ask the new HC at every opportunity "Can I push your stool in?"
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    Meyer as HC and GM

    Cheech and Chong work good together too!
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    Meyer as HC and GM

    Good point Larry! And I got the feeling Dorsey's version of absolute power included deciding who was active and who wasn't as well as who started and who sat. In essence, he was a remote control HC that enabled Freddie to keep calling the plays as our OC (wearing a HC Title). That became evident when he chose Freddie's inexperience as a HC over others. Unfortunately, we lost some assistant coaches the players bought into or at least responded well to (especially the QB Coach and the OL Coach). We subtracted a lot of what was going right to promote Freddie to something he clearly isn't wired for. Where this got really problematic at times (aside from crackpipe logic that had Baker dropping back to throw 4 times in a row following 1st and Goal at the Rams 1 yard line in spite of a RB like Chubb) was Freddie seemed most worried about what play he wanted to call next rather than paying attention to certain calls that he should be challenging. Then, he's challenge ones we had very little chance of getting reversed. The discipline was also a train-wreck far too frequently for comfort.
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    2020 Opponents

    I'm cleaning coffee (that was in my mouth once upon a time) off my laptop as we speak.
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    2020 Opponents

    Thanks for the laughs. Anything after Eric Turner was gravy anyway; so don't worry about the date or what holiday it was or even what type of turnover it was. He's a fond memory any way you look at it. Remember when NE's Ben Coates was Drew Bledsoe's go to guy? Bill Belicheck put Eric Turner on him to shut him out in our playoff W over NE. That was real good stuff!
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    Freddie fired

    Am I mad or disappointed the bug up your asss about a previous debate we had months ago won't die as it spills out into other conversations? I named 1 candidate I'd like Cleveland to at least consider (Joe Brady and gave reasons why). Then came your asss hurt via the way you responded. I wouldn't have minded if you disagreed and gave a reason like "yeah but his lack of experience as a HC concerns me." Instead you chose to be a douche bag. As a result, I cut and pasted everything you said so I could use your own words against you like some sort of cyber Judo. For example, when you tried to change the context of what I wrote - it showed readers who had trouble with the truth. The context was never me having an issue with pictures of adult hotties being shared in here. It was you sharing pictures of teenage girls when you're in your mid-late 60s. That's creepy. And since you like to remind us frequently you work in a court room - your version of extra hot is extra creepy. This has ZERO to do with Zombo or others in here that know the difference between women and teenagers and you know that. I'm all done with this argument and your inability to admit when your wrong so carry on without me...
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    Freddie fired

    You've made a complete fool out of yourself like you always do Gipper. Don't all people that work in a court of law post perverted pictures of teenage girls on football message boards like Gipper has done forever? Is everybody ready to watch Gipper close another thread with about 4-5 more pages arguing with people like a sorority girl on the rag? By all means, stayed tuned. And did he stay on topic again? 😄
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    Freddie fired

    Thanks Gunz! Well said! This anger from Gips toward me lingers from his promise gone terribly wrong that Lamar Jackson will suck this year. He also assured me that losing the 2019 version of T. Suggs to Arizona (released/discontinued) + the 2019 version of C.J. Mosley to the Jets (IR for all but 1 or 2 games) + the 2019 version of Eric Weddle to the Rams (a season that now has him thinking retirement). Does that sound like a FO that understood the difference between depreciation and upside? Oh yeah, and they also let Flacco go start for Denver while Baltimore went 14-2 with him out of the way. The argument started with Gipper correcting me that in 2018 when the Ratbirds started 4-5 with Joe Flacco and winning 6 of the last 7 games with Lamar Jackson that Jackson wasn't the reason they improved drastically at all. He had no idea at all what extending drives past 3 downs can do for time of possession, rushing stats, resting defense/giving them fresh legs and just winning. Nope! I was told he didn't play defense so he didn't tackle anyone or make the least impact at all for them. For a guy that likes to announce he works in a courtroom as often as possible, he sure doesn't listen/read the inconvenient truth. So, ever since Baltimore started 4-5 with Flacco in 2018 and have gone 20-3 since with Jackson being the leading MVP candidate - Gips wants everyone to know they would be playing just as well with Flacco on both sides of the ball. Just ask Denver! The irony of it all was I began the post saying I was wrong about Jackson the day after he was drafted (and he's obviously the real deal) when Gipper thought he's correct everything I said with clear cut evidence he knows nothing about the game he corrects people about constantly in here. Baltimore is the last team I want to see winning the division and finishing 14-2 with an MVP candidate at QB. That said, I gotta be honest about what I'm seeing from a team that understands how and why they win.
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    David Njoku

    Your guess is as good as mine. Good points!
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