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  1. They would never come out and say it, but I wouldn't be shocked if they actually saw quinn as the better qb, but only incrementally so, and were benching him for contract/salary cap purposes. i'm not sure how communicative mangini is with his players, but i feel like just ignoring that as your motivation in talks with the player could create tension and ill will. if that's the case i'd be upfront enough to say look, we think there's a chance you might work out here, but since we havent seen enough for us to be sure of that, we can't play you 70% of the time this year. that incentive was built into the deal so that you'd be fairly rewarded if you turned out to be THE guy, which you haven't, yet. you might, and if you do, we'll revisit the contract terms, do an extension, whatever your play warrants. no hard feelings, but this is our right from a business perspective, and the reason that the escalator terms are put into the deal in the first place, from the team's point of view.
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    Cribbs gives trade request

    Yeah it's hard to tell if this is a repackage of earlier information from this morning that ESPN has interpreted in their own way so it could go on the front page or what.
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    Cribbs gives trade request

    Weak. Interesting to see if the team gives him what he wants. It wouldnt be expensive to squat on that contract, in which case he wouldn't really be taking care of his family - a holdout would just result in fines.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    Interesting take - I agree the hester deal is a bad one for chi. I think we are all on the same page regarding the fact that his contract is barely relevant here: http://www.nologoneeded.com/no_logo_needed...r-trade-me.html Pay Me or Trade Me? By Brandon Rastok NoLogoNeeded.com staff writer Pay me or trade me. So that is the stance Josh Cribbs has taken? Before we begin, a few things about Josh Cribbs: •Cribbs was one of only a handful of players that never gave up during the debacle that was the 2008 season. •Every time he has the ball in his hands, there is the potential for a big play. •He is probably the only player in the league that is as skilled at covering kicks as he is returning them. •In 2007, he led the league with his 30.7 yards per kickoff return average and was third in average punt return yards. •Cribbs also is one of the most exciting players to watch in a Browns uniform. •He is a versatile player and can run the Flash package the Browns have installed. Now, with four years to go on his contract at $620,000, $635,000, $650,000, and $790,000, is he under paid? Yes. But, there are a few things to take into consideration. First, kick returners typically have a very short shelf life. Andre Davis, who was second to Cribbs in average kickoff return yards at 30.3 in 2007, fell to 27th in 2008 with a 23.1-yard average. In 2007, Davis had three touchdowns, but in 2008 he had zero. Since 2003, only 10 players have been in the top 10 in average return yards more than once — Miles Austin, Dante Hall, Devin Hester, Bethel Johnson, Jerome Mathis, Terrence McGee, Willie Ponder, Adam “Pacman” Jones, Maurice Jones-Drew and Leon Washington have all been in the top ten twice during that 6 year span. Only one player, McGee, has done it three times. No player has statistically been in the top 10 in more than half of those six seasons. Players tend to flame out after one to two years of solid return production. The human joystick, Dante Hall, is the perfect example. In 2003, Hall was all the rage with four returns for touchdowns. He was fourth in kickoff return average and was first in punt return average. The next season, he dropped to fifth in kickoff average, had only two touchdowns, and dropped to eighth in punt return average. He has not been back in the top 10 in kickoff return average since. After Cribbs’ stellar 2007, his production fell off last season as he dropped to 16th in kick off returns with a 25.3 yard average and only scored one touchdown. He dropped to 17th in punt returns with an 8.1-yard average. With his decline in production last season, is Cribbs already past his kick returner prime? Should the Browns throw large sums of money at a player whose return specialist production has already maxed out? I tend to think not. Second, Cribbs and his agent want to use the Devin Hester contract as leverage and sign a similar deal. Hester is no longer the Bears’ top return man. That role belongs to Daniel Manning who led the league in kickoff returns last season. Hester’s deal is based on him being one of the team’s top wide receivers while also returning some kicks. The depth chart at ESPN.com lists Hester as the No. 2 receiver. In 2007, Cribbs’ best year as a returner, he had three kicks returned for touchdowns. That same year, Hester returned six kicks for touchdowns. Last season, Hester had 51 receptions for 665 yards and three touchdowns. He added another six rushes for 61 yards. In 2007, Hester managed 20 receptions for 299 yards and two touchdowns. By comparison, Cribbs had 2 receptions for 18 yards with one touchdown in 2008. He added 167 yards rushing on 29 attempts. Looking back at 2007, Cribbs added another 3 receptions for 31 yards and nine rushes for 61 yards to his resume. This is hardly having an impact on the offense. With all the new additions the Browns have at receiver, will Cribbs even manage to get his 2-3 receptions this coming season? It is clear that Cribbs is not the same type of player as Devin Hester, and that contract should not be used in negotiations. Third, even if Devin Hester signed a $40 million contract and other teams believe the Bears signed a bad contract, does that mean that the Browns automatically have to lock themselves into a bad contract? The Browns should not be forced into following poor decisions by other teams. Likewise, if Cribbs and his agent agreed to a deal that was a poor deal for him, is that the Browns’ fault? Would Cribbs return some of the money if he had not played up to his contract? The answer is clearly no. In the real world, especially in today's economy, workers are not guaranteed a job. If they have a successful project that makes the company a bunch of money, how many of the workers actually run to their boss and say, "Pay me.”? Fourth, Cribbs has four years left on his current contract. If the Browns redo this contract, what kind of message does that send to the rest of the team? The front office might as well shout through a mega phone during training camp: “HAVE ONE PRODUCTIVE SEASON AND WE’LL OPEN OUR CHECKBOOK!” If things were difficult last season with Winslow, Edwards, Cribbs, and Dawson wanting new deals, wait until the Browns open their wallet for Cribbs whose production dropped as the team suffered through a 4-12 season. Actions like this breed the “player before team” and “pay me” attitudes. Fifth, Cribbs is holding out from minicamp and asking for a trade if the Browns don’t get serious about a new deal. Cribbs is not a starter on offense or defense. He is a situational player. There has been mention of him playing safety with a slight chance to start. Wouldn’t he have a better argument for more money if he were actually participating and putting himself in the best position for more playing time? Meanwhile, there are players like D’Qwell Jackson who is a free agent at the end of the season. He is a full-time starter. He led the NFL in tackles last season. He makes the fourth-year minimum of $640,000. Jackson still reports to minicamp to get better and help the team. Which player should have a renegotiated contract first? The bottom line is Cribbs should be helping the team this offseason and he is not. The Browns would be wise to give him an added bonus and slightly restructure his deal. However, it should not be anywhere near what he is asking for. The Browns should offer to double his current pay and give him roughly $1.2 to $2 million per season. The last thing this team needs is to throw its salary cap structure out of whack and make a kick returner one of its highest paid players. I leave you with one thought. Would the Buffalo Bills have given perennial Pro Bowl special teams player Steve Tasker $10 million a year like Hester is receiving? He was the best at what he did, but also was only a situational player.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf...n_cribbs_b.html CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Josh Cribbs says pay me or trade me So the Steelers and Ravens don't cause the Browns the biggest problems after all. Cell phones and buses do. The team bus is where Phil Savage sat that November night when he sent the desultory text to a chirping fan -- "@#$&, Go root for Buffalo" -- that in part cost him his job. It's where Josh Cribbs claims he took a cell phone call from owner Randy Lerner following the season finale in Pittsburgh telling him not to worry, the Browns would take care of him contractually. The Browns released a statement -- typically for them not attributed to anyone so it could've been the man behind the curtain again -- saying no such promise was made. Cribbs agent says he has the cell phone records to prove the phone call happened. What's the richer part of this story? Ed Betz/Associated Press Browns owner Randy Lerner has a well-earned reputation for reticience and secrecy, but a hush-hush cell phone promise to Josh Cribbs seems impressive even by Lerner's standards.That a Browns player is claiming to have the goods on a team that uses a former head of the Secret Service to track employees' cell phone records? Or that the alleged call to Cribbs would answer the complaint of so many fans that Lerner isn't involved enough as team owner? Uh, folks, you really want him involved? Cribbs is underpaid. His work is as blue collar as it gets in football. Still, he won't get the sympathy in this economic climate, not that any athlete looking for more money ever gets much support from paying customers. But he's outperformed his deal. That's especially true given the Browns' stated plans are to expand his role beyond kickoff returns, kickoff coverage and part-time Slash duty. They're pretty much expecting him to do everything except play backup goalie for Lerner's Aston Villa soccer team. Promises from a former GM carry as much meaning as altar promises from an ex-spouse. But a promise from Lerner, if true, is something different. Unless during the (alleged) phone call Lerner said, #$@%, Go root for Phil Savage to give you the money, the owner has put the front office in a delicate spot and now may be throwing one of the Browns' best players under the bus.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/21/...e-cribbs-talks/ As Browns Bide Their Time, Cribbs Talks Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2009, 8:37 a.m. EDT The decision of Browns receiver/kick returner Josh Cribbs to stay away from a three-day voluntary minicamp that opened Tuesday has not sparked contract talks between the team and the player’s agent. “We remain cautiously optimistic that they’ll make a good faith effort to address this,” agent J.R. Rickert, told Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “We haven’t seen it yet, but we are ready to discuss this in a reasonable manner.” But Rickert isn’t the only one talking. Cribbs released a statement Wednesday night, and a copy of it was sent to us by the Cribbs camp. Titled “Josh Cribbs’ Statement In His Own Words” (which, frankly, would be a first for any pro athlete whose handlers issue such a statement), the full text of the statement is right here. “Contracts are one-sided in favor of the team, yet we as players are told to honor our contracts without the team honoring them,” Cribbs says in a portion of the statement. “We are not doctors and lawyers, we don’t get paid for 25 years of work. If we are lucky, we get 10 years at best to make all the money we can to last the rest of our life.” He’s right, but at the same time his situation is a product of the system to which the players’ union agreed. Cribbs is in the same position as Anquan Boldin, Sheldon Brown, Thomas Jones, and every other player who wants to tear up a contract that the player signed because the player believes he has “outperformed” the deal or, in some cases, because the contract has been leapfrogged by deals given to other players. And so any frustration that the player is feeling needs to be directed not also at the team that is benefitting from what has turned out to be a contract tilted in favor of the organization, but also: (1) the union for agreeing to a system that allows teams but not the players to cancel contracts early; (2) the agent who advises the player to sign the contract; and (3) the player himself, whose signature was added to the bottom of the last page of the deal.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    I'm sorry, as long as we are rehashing all of our zingers from yesterday... How is it that it matters whether he said the call never happened or that he didnt talk about the contract on the phone? For Lerner to come out and say either one directly is him saying: "Josh Cribbs is not telling the truth." How does that help the situation at all? Was the number of coaches really the thrust of his argument? Or was it that the ownership is as culpable if not more so than one player when deciding why the team has yet to win a super bowl? All of your arguments have to do with nuance rather than substance. Try advancing the conversation for once.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    Creed your teeth called your breath stinks. Boom roasted.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    At least BE came to camp today.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    That's the point - I'm not bashing Lerner, but why be so quick to defend management who hands out raises and contract extensions to coaches etc who do a so-so job, then turn around and be so opposed to a player who has done so well for the team saying he is considering skipping OPTIONAL practices while he attempts to obtain what seems to be a reasonable goal - a mere start to meaningful negotiations in order to amend a paltry contract?
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    Thanks, why don't you start another thread for your nonsense and leave this one for a conversation regarding Josh Cribbs?
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    I'd make a nit picking, snarky, nosedive-related personal attack in return rather than adding substance to the conversation as well, but a nosedive would imply your tone had somewhere to fall from to begin with.
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    Josh Cribbs Is Expected To Skip Browns Minicamp

    That's right - he only gave Butch a new contract. But that was because he earned it by leading the team to a 5-11 record. Am I remembering things wrongly?
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