Another "C" word ...consequences. Why did China stop travel from Wuhan to other parts of Cbina yet at the same time continue to allow international flights out of Wuhan China?

What we know is that when China finally realized they had a crisis on their hands they stopped all travel from Wuhan to other parts of China yet they allowed travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world.....We need to know why they did that? That was either incompetence on their part or it could be they knew they were going to take an economic hit because of the virus and allowed travel to other parts of the world knowing it would likely spread the virus and  "level the playing field" and having other countries facing the same flu consequences they were facing. As it was wrecking their own economy it has also now wrecked the economies of other countries around the world including the United States. 

We don't know why China did what they did but they need to answer for it. If they thought the virus was serious enough to stop all travel from Wuhan to other parts of China why was it acceptable for travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world?

And now this...China threatening an economic "hit" to Australia if they have an inquiry over the covid19 virus...this is just one of the costs of doing business with China.

China warns of economic hit over COVID inquiry

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6152226957001

If Trump had made a boneheaded mistake like this that New York and the MSM darling's Gov Cuomo has approved of with allowing patients testing postive with covid19 back into nursing homes every nursing home death would be laid at Trump's feet and they would claim he "had blood on his hands". This makes no sense at all because nursing home patients are at the highest risk of fatalities due to covid19 and the LAST thing you would ever do is to knowingly place patients with covid19 in a nursing home.

State lacked common sense in nursing homes coronavirus approach: Goodwin

https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/new-york-lacked-common-sense-in-nursing-homes-coronavirus-approach/

1 hour ago, Westside Steve said:

What was removed?

WSS

NYT reporter gets an assist from YouTube to shut down video that could help prove Trump’s point

https://therightscoop.com/nyt-reporter-gets-an-assist-from-youtube-to-shut-down-video-that-could-help-prove-trumps-point/

4 hours ago, calfoxwc said:

the dems go to court to not let republicans clear the voter lists.

it helps them encourage voter fraud.

And they go to court every time to fight voter ID. 

Disinfecting the Left Wing Media

As well as President Trump has done in those daily press briefings discussing the federal government’s fight against the Wuhan ChiCom virus, it might be time to put those to bed.

The reason? He’s beaten the Democrat activists in the White House press corps to a pulp, he’s destroyed their credibility, and he’s captured as much of the confidence of the American people as he can in those press conferences. And at this point the Dem activists are simply going to report what they want to report, the facts and reality be damned. Trump has noticed that, skipping the briefing on Saturday and expressing frustration with the media’s refusal to offer anything like responsible journalism on the virus.

A good example of that came last Thursday, when Trump had Acting Undersecretary of Science and Technology for the Department of Homeland Security Bill Bryan at the podium to discuss a new study indicating that the presence of UV light, as in sunlight, was very effective in killing the Wuhan virus in open air, and also indicating that the virus died off very quickly in the presence of disinfectants. Bryan offered a good deal of information to indicate that the outdoors could be a tonic environment for those exposed to the virus, but not much of it was reported.

Why? Because the president, interested in the findings of the study, asked a few questions about whether the study could open up the possibility of new methods to treat the virus. Specifically, he asked about whether UV light could be used inside the body, perhaps in the lungs, to kill the virus — and also whether disinfectants could be infused into the body of a virus patient.

Maybe it’s inappropriate to hold a brainstorming session on different ways for doctors to kill the virus within the framework of a press conference. Or maybe its refreshing to see ideas discussed in the open. Your opinion might be colored by your opinion of the president.

Or your opinion of the legacy media, which immediately reported that Trump was suggesting people huff Lysol. That idiocy spread so quickly that the makers of the household disinfectant put out a statement begging people not to swallow their product, as though somehow that’s what Trump was saying.

It turns out that there are actual practical methods being employed to use UV light and disinfectants on an experimental basis with respect to treating the Wuhan virus. Whether Trump was aware of them or not when he asked the question, he isn’t the only one thinking along those lines.

Doctors at Cedars-Sinai hospital in Los Angeles have been working on applications of UV light inside the body. In fact, last October they published an abstract of research into that very thing — an entry in the United European Gastroenterology Journal discussed “Internally Applied Ultraviolet Light as a Novel Approach for Effective and Safe Anti-Microbial Treatment.” And with the appearance of the Wuhan virus making effective forms of treatment highly important, a company called Aytu BioScience has invented something called the Healight, which is essentially a probe emitting beams of UVA light into the body of virus patients on ventilators, doing almost exactly what Trump was talking about.

Here’s the YouTube video explaining the device. Whoops! Sorry. YouTube won’t allow you to see it for some reason — new and/or experimental treatments, especially those referred to by the president, can’t be discussed on YouTube. At the Healight website, the video is posted in Vimeo format. Also, there’s a “fan video” still on YouTube describing the device.

As for the use of disinfectants inside the body, that isn’t unprecedented, either. No, nobody uses Lysol. But hydrogen peroxide, which is a well-known disinfectant, has been used internally for quite some time against infections. This, from two weeks ago…

Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, H2O2 may help fight the coronavirus, according to Dr. Thomas Levy. He said people can utilize hydrogen peroxide using its aerosolized form in a standard nebulizer.

Levy suggested using at least a 3 percent food grade hydrogen peroxide. It is important to know that some products have higher concentrations and people should inhale only 3 percent.

How Hydrogen Peroxide Works Against Coronavirus

The potential COVID-19 treatment mainly targets infected cells. Viruses move around the body by infecting live cells that replicate viral DNA and RNA.

A recent study, published in the Journal of Hospital Infection, shows that even just 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide could kill human coronaviruses, such as those that caused SARS and MERS. The findings backed a 2009 research that found inhaling vaporized hydrogen peroxide could lead to 99 percent inactivation of virus activities.

Vaporized hydrogen peroxide has long been considered effective in removing viruses. Researchers in 1997 discovered that the compound could completely inactivate a range of exotic animal viruses.

Another way to “disinfect” internally would be to use ozone, which is a method for treating infectious disease going back more than 100 years. A company in Texas has been touting ozone therapy as a potential treatment for the Wuhan virus, but just like in the case of the Healight, the media establishment and the public health bureaucracy came down like a ton of bricks on them, calling it a “sham” treatment.

Whether it is or it isn’t, we aren’t going to weigh in on. The point is Trump isn’t the only one thinking along these lines. He isn’t a doctor and he can’t be expected to invent a miracle cure. But as the president attempting to find ways to fight the virus, it’s difficult to understand what’s so wrong about asking those questions.

What’s most obnoxious about all of this is while Trump is being treated like a snake-oil salesman or a moron for discussing things like this — the way the media treated him for expressing optimism about hydroxychloroquine, while doctors all over the country were busy prescribing it to largely good effect, was nothing short of disgusting — it seems like he’s the only one who actually cares about finding effective treatments for the virus.

These geniuses in the mainstream media and their pals in the Democrat party sure are big on telling everybody to stay under self-imposed house arrest, but perhaps your author is the only one noticing they trash every single suggestion for how to treat this thing.

Maybe none of these methods work. Or maybe the media and the Left actually LIKE the shutdown. And what would it say about them if that was the case?

https://spectator.org/disinfecting-the-left-wing-media/

Why???????????????????????????????? 

YouTube Takes Down Bio-Tech Firm’s Video Explaining Potential UV Light Treatment for Coronavirus Patients

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/youtube-takes-bio-tech-firms-video-explaining-potential-uv-light-treatment-coronavirus-patients/

7 hours ago, FairHooker11 said:

FDA?  seriously they havent found  a product they didn't like 

care for the citizens of USA?  pfft

must be that HYdroxychlouroquin zpac and zinc don't hold any favorable $$ value that the FDA overlords can then embezzle?

 

And echoes with the sound of salesmen
Of salesmen, of salesmen   Geddy Lee

Hydroxychloroquine, zpac and zinc costs? The doctor in NY who said they had a lot of success with it said the total costs per patient was about 30 bucks. HDQ is a cheap easily mfg drug that the patent has run out on. There is no money in it for big pharma. As for safety HDQ has a decades long record of being safe. I recently saw one doctor on television who has prescribed HDQ for decades say that in 40 years of prescribing the drug they never had any issues except minor ones such such as a rash  but never anything that would cause someone to be hospitalized. 

The anecdotal evidence for HDQ seems to be the earlier you take it the better the chances are it will work for you but what the FDA is doing now by wanting it to be only be prescribed for hospitalized patients ensures that only the worst patients are going to be able to take it. 

Again for me I don't care what anyone else believes and if they wouldn't touch HDQ with a ten foot pole if they had the virus that is their right. People should have the right to take it though if they choose so and if they want to take it earlier in the course of the virus vs waiting until a patient is in critical condition they should be allowed that choice

I agree with those saying that those with Lupus or other diseases who depend on HDQ should have the first priority over covid19 patients because we know it works for them and they depend on it. Fortunately since it is a cheap easily mfg drug we do not have a shortage. 

The hypocrisy of the liberal MSM is again on full display with so little coverage given to this story as compared to Kavanaugh. 

Where are all those on the left now who said in the Kavanaugh case we always must believe the women? 

If those on the left didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all.

Just now, DieHardBrownsFan said:

You realize that people who are put on ventilators have to be, or they will die?

We have testimonies of covid19 patients who were close to being placed on a ventilator and before that last option took the hydroxychloroquine, zpack and zinc combo and they got better and did not have to be placed on a ventilator. I would want to try it myself.

Let me see. A person has the virus and their symptoms are worsening. Going on a ventilator might be the next option. (For some reason with all the dissing of hyydroxychloroquine the media doesn't report the horrible failure rates of those placed on ventilators).

Since there are no other drug alternatives to take the plan is to do nothing but wait and if your breathing gets worse you get placed on a ventilator which we know has a high history of failure.

Or you have the option of asking your doctor to take hydroxychloroquine, zpac and zinc cocktail in hopes it might help There are lots of stories of people saying it helped them. There are a lot of doctors who recommend it for covid19. I would take the drugs.

I don't care if someone doesn't like the drug, doesn't think it works whatever.....For those people just don't take it if you don't want it...simple.nobody is forcing you to take it...just don't take away the rights of others who may want to at least try it instead of the alternative of nothing.

Why doesn't our media report much on this stat about ventilators failure rates in NYC?

80% of NYC's coronavirus patients who are put on ventilators ultimately die, and some doctors are trying to stop using them

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-ventilators-some-doctors-try-reduce-use-new-york-death-rate-2020-4

2 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/lysol-manufacturer-warns-against-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586

Yep the world we live in today. I saw a commercial recently with a car driving around the narrow ledge of a skyscraper. At the bottom of the commercial was a disclaimer telling people not to attempt to drive a car on the ledge of a skyscraper as it was a video simulation....

9 minutes ago, calfoxwc said:

Thank you. as most of the time - the left keeps jabbing at Pres Trump by falsely taking anything completely out of context to be able to try to have a point.

  The "rest of the story" gets them quietly hopping to another subject...and they do it again.

But I had to use Redstate as a source....of course I had to. The problem is those who complain about Redstate seem to think other news sources such as the NY Slimes or WaPo and other MSM sources are not biased. Sites like Redstate exist to tell the other side of the story our MSM will not report. Even most of the MSM I do not like rarely outright lie but it is always more on the lines of what they fail to report when it doesn't line up with their narratives they want to portray.

Don’t Believe the Blue Checks: Here’s the Context to Trump’s Comments About UV Light and “Injecting” Disinfectant

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/04/24/dont-believe-the-blue-checks-heres-the-context-to-trumps-comments-about-uv-light-and-injecting-disinfectant/

3 minutes ago, Tour2ma said:

So.... groceries?

 

I don't remember a TP shortage under Obama...

In about a year or so when we see cases of TP being sold at garage sales I think we will have a good clue who the hoarders were.😄

1 hour ago, MLD Woody said:

Exactly Logic. And we've seen that play out on here many times. 

It isn't wanting big govt or small govt, it's picking some specific policy Hill to die on, because it aligns with your party at the moment, regardless of how it aligns with anything else

 I disagreed with Logic on banning bumpstocks. After seeing what happened in Las Vegas with that shooting I wanted to see them banned. My fight is to keep semi automatics legal not a device that enables a semi automatic to mimic firing like an automatic. I think we are going to have enough trouble keeping semi automatics legal with so many on the left wanting all semi automatics banned. Keeping semi automatic weapons legal is that Hill for me to die on.

That doesn't mean I disagree with Logic on his other points such as Trump using an executive order to ban them. I agree with Logic that it sets a bad precedent for other presidents to restrict gun owners rights with future presidents using executive orders to curb gun rights. 

11 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Redstate

Redstate Vs. mostly MSM Bluestate media..

Redstate will report what the Bluestate MSM doesn't. (the other side of the story, the conservative side). Although today journalism has gotten so bad there are those caught flat out lying  most of the time the bias is one sided reporting. At least "Redstate" doesn't try to hide they are conservative. Our liberal MSM will try to tell us they are not biased and that is laughable.

7 minutes ago, MLD Woody said:

Sure but "there is enough evidence in my mind" doesn't come close to actually validating anything. People need to understand that

I just want people to know who have the virus that we have a number of  testimonies of success with HDQ, zpack and zinc cocktail and to be able to talk to their doctors about safety issues and whether they can and should take it. I know if I had the symptoms and they were worsening I would want to take it. It is not as if we have many choices right now with any other alternatives.

I missed all the presser but after seeing clips on it I didn't see where he was suggesting injecting disinfectant. He is posing the question to the expert  about the use of disinfectants and not recommending anything. To say he suggested injecting disinfectant it is flat out lie. When I google this I see page after page with the header "Trump suggests injecting disinfectant".....journalism is dead

Just another insane story like blaming Trump for the guy who took the fish tank cleaner and died  because his wife said Trump told them it was safe.

19 minutes ago, TexasAg1969 said:

Just ignore the obvious. Injection of disinfectant is the obvious. But instead the trumpettes bury their heads in the sand and ignore the obvious and most ridiculous (and dangerous) idea this lunatic threw up there.                    

And Vambo just does the usual defection of by not looking at the obvious and trying to put some dazzle out there to look away from it.

Same applies OBF. You are all intelligent enough to understand the obvious and most ridiculous idea was about injection of disinfectant. Your president is a lunatic.

And you are intelligent enough as a retired counselor to look back at your own posts on the BB about Trump and see you might be at least infected with a smidgen of TDS? 

The very thing you project onto us who support Trump about watching too much Fox you feed on liberal MSM (which many will never give this president credit for anything and works 24/7 to destroy him) and you will occasionally post something from a more conservative media outlet if it bolsters your case.

Shoot the messenger instead of the message many times because I post from a conservative outlet when you know good and well the NY Slimes, WaPo and other liberal media sites are guilty of only telling one side of a story when there are always two sides to a story. The one side they present is the one that fits their narrative so if you want to hear the other side of the story you usually can get it only from a conservative site that will tell the other side. Over and over that plays out today. Journalism is dead.

Just now, DieHardBrownsFan said:

Cleveland VA has great healthcare. And most of the doctors who practice there are from UH or Cleveland Clinic as residents.

A lot likely has to do with the particular VA hospital. My bad experience with the VA was 10 years ago and maybe/hopefully they have gotten better? Don't get me wrong Diehard I am very grateful I had the VA to fall back on when I lost my job and was without medical insurance for a short time and had the VA to fall back on. The time I was hospitalized saved me thousands of dollars because I had no medical insurance at the time. But we can always get better and be better and I hope that for all our VA facilities.

2 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

This rosie outlook about having a non expert babble on about shit they don’t understand would be very different if the politics were shifted. He can’t get out of his own way. Try to raise morale and leave uneducated brainstorming away from the mic. 

I don't disagree at times Trump would be better off sometimes not wading into some of the issues he has the experts there to speak about. One of the things he gets faulted for is for constantly claiming the good job his admin is doing. He needs to do this as our MSM isn't going to do it so I don't fault him for that. Take the governor of NY Cuomo our liberal media is fawning all over yet he has made serious mistakes they won't report about or gloss over.

It is one thing to be biased and another thing to be biased and claim to be neutral and non partisan which is what our MSM claims. I can handle their bias but it is their hypocrisy that bugs me. Their liberal bias is usually on full display. I am biased I admit it. I am against much of what the left stands for. I try to be honest though and if I think the left is right about something I would support them. I wouldn't let my bias stop me from agreeing with them if I thought they were right on an issue.

1 minute ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

I know I am silly about that Constitution and the 2nd Am. I should turn my brain off and join the major party line where I can justify any behavior so long as my guy does it. 
 
I wasn’t the one talking about nanny states while simultaneously wanting the government to goad companies into complying with my personal politics. It isn’t about a perfect world but two party politics turns people into hypocrites real fast. You know you guys would be jumping up and down raging about how this pandemic has been handled and what the President has said if there was a D beside their name.

No you are silly with wanting to "throw the baby out with the bath water". 

The NRA is not your enemy as a 2A supporter although you disagree with them on some issues. I think Wayne LaPierre should have been fired at the NRA but that doesn't stop me from still supporting them because they do too much good. I just disagree with them on some things. My real enemy of the 2a are those on the left wanting to ban semi automatics and really destroy our 2a in fact some want to eliminate the 2a altogether.

9 minutes ago, LogicIsForSquares said:

So you feel his babbling about UV lights and the internal usage of disinfectants should get a pass because some people will dislike him no matter what? 

Not a big deal. He had an expert there talking about UV lights. So he throws his opinion in. If anyone don't agree with it so what? Those who hate him are going to do it regardless and not listen to him anyway no matter what he says. I am glad he spoke up about hydroxychloroquine even if it is likely not a game changing drug. There is enough evidence in my mind it does help some and with little else as an option I would want the opportunity to take it along with zpack and zinc if I had symptoms of the virus.

Just now, LogicIsForSquares said:

I personally just want government interfering with companies that disagree with my politics. I also want them to ban firearm accessories through executive order without any input by legislators elected by the people. 
 

Liberals and conservatives that align with the major parties both love big government telling people what to do they just disagree on how it is done. 

Bumpstocks, bumpstocks, bumpstocks...we probably agree on more than we disagree on....(bumpstocks)

When you find that perfect world Logic where everyone on your own side is in complete lockstep on every issue let me know.