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  1. hoorta

    Coronavirus humor

    There's a couple others Tour... St. Roch Said to have been born with a red cross image across his breast in 1295, St. Roch was born to a noble family at Montpelier, France. Orphaned at age 20, he made a pilgrimage to Rome where he cared for plague victims. Taken ill with the plague, Roch recovered with the aid of a dog who took food from his masters table to feed him. This led to his being named the patron saint of dogs. Roch then performed miracles to help the afflicted. Returning to Montpelier, Roch was accused of being a spy and imprisoned for five years by an uncle who didn’t recognize him. He never revealed his true status as son of the former governor. The story of the ultimate discovery of his identity varies with some stories saying it was prior and some saying upon his death that his birthmark cross was discerned. Patron saint of invalids, Roch, known as Roque in Spain and Rocco in Italy, was followed by a popular cult responding to reports of his miracles performed for plague victims. He is also the patron saint of dogs and frequently is shown in the company of a dog. His feast day is Aug. 16. Also, Pope Saint Gregory I....(The Great) Near the end of the 6th century, a severe plague ravaged the city of Rome, even claiming the life of Pope Pelagius II. It was a difficult time for the people of the city, and when Pope Gregory I was elected to lead the Church, he immediately set out to call upon the mercy of God. St. Gregory the Great (as he would later be known) organized a massive procession around the city, inviting everyone to pray to God that the plague would be lifted. The Golden Legend narrates how the procession was led by an ancient image of the Virgin Mary, reportedly cleansing the air of disease. The plague was still ravaging Rome, and Gregory ordered the procession to continue to make the circuit of the city, the marchers chanting the litanies. An image of Blessed Mary ever Virgin was carried in the procession … And lo and behold! The poisonous uncleanness of the air yielded to the image as if fleeing from it and being unable to withstand its presence: the passage of the picture brought about a wonderful serenity and purity in the air. We are also told that the voices of angels were heard around the image, singing.
  2. hoorta

    Status of Schedule Release

    NFL, we're going to play a regular schedule. Remains to be seen. Starting in November. Then there's college football too.
  3. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    Sure, accurate on what we currently know. You're ignoring the very real possibility that there's tons of undiagnosed asymptomatic cases out there when we start doing mass screening. Already said - the way Italy is counting covid deaths is padding the stats from my POV. How much? Hard to say. USA- 160,000 cases 3,000 deaths 1.7%. Of diagnosed cases.
  4. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    Who said anything about additional deaths? Of course, there's going to be a lot more deaths. What I'm asserting since we strongly suspect a lot of the covid cases are mild or asymptomatic (when we start doing mass testing, and I just saw Abbot is going to start pumping out a million test kits a week), once we find out who those folks are- the infection to death ratio is almost certainly going to go down. And as I saw in another thread- Italy (to my mind) is padding the covid death count by tallying anyone who dies in a hospital with covid has that listed as that as the cause of death- the primary cause of death- even it was some old codger who keeled over from a heart attack or stroke.
  5. hoorta

    Grocery shopping/updates/86’d

    I wen't to a Aldi once- wouldn't go back. MHO is they're on the order of a Save-a-Lot, Dollar General, and other grocers that feature off brand stuff for those who can only afford deep discounted foods. My latest foray to Kroger's today found no supplies of paper products, most soaps, and no hand sanitizers. Fortunately, I was well stocked on those items before the hoarding started. BTW, there was an article in the paper today about the truckers. One guy said he had to wait three hours inline to load up his rig with paper towels. So the manufacturing is cranked up full blast. But how much longer will the insane hoarding of those items last? I feel bad that the hoarders are stocked up, but those who aren't are literally shit out of luck finding any toilet paper now. Well actually- our one high end grocery does have the commercial TP you see- but you can only buy one roll at a time. Little wonder another article said plumbers are in high demand when those bozos started flushing paper towels, rags and socks.
  6. hoorta

    Dewine has done a great job!!

    Depending on how much you want to spend. Thanks to the wife having an Amazon Prime account, I loaded a $50 Firestick on my soon to be relegated to the electronic scrap heap dumb TV. Just the amount of free stuff available could keep you entertained for months. I plunked down an extra $6 bucks a month for CBS All Access so I could watch Picard, but along with that I can watch every Star Trek episode ever filmed. Since we're on Verizon for cell phone- they gave us a perk of free Disney+ for a year, so that adds tons Disney movies, all the Star Wars movies, plus The Mandalorian spin off that I've only had the time to watch one episode of. RE: Directv- you and me both. If it wasn't for Sunday Ticket I'd tell them to shove it. I predicted it- when AT&T bought out Direct, it's been ruination. Another "too big to fail" business. They've gotten so bad, my co season ticket holder pal (you don't need ST in Cleveland for the Browns) dumped AT&T, even though his brother in law is a former AT&T veep. I'm currently trying to find a non AT&T technician willing to upgrade the LNB on my dish on the side of my house to make it 4k compatible without having to move it to my roof. But it's on vinyl siding! Kiss my ass- it's bolted with 4" lag screws into a 4x4 corner stud, and hasn't moved at all in over 5 years. You could do chin ups on the arm.
  7. OK, your Lab Guy chiming in.... It's damn impressive at the speed they've been able to develop this test methodology- more later on that. Hat's off to them. Abbott's testing platform is one of (and not the only) what's called a POC (not beer) point of care testing system. They're generally little (& highly sophisticated) boxes weighing in at less than 10 pounds, and are easily portable. I've mentioned PCR (polymerase chain reaction) testing before, and Abbott's method is similar. These testing methods harness a very similar method a virus uses to replicate itself- except millions of times faster. The difference is PCR uses heat\cooling cycles to drive the replication process, but Abbott's method uses enzymes. Said it before- this stuff would have been considered Buck Rodgers 40 years ago. If you're interested, here's a cute little (simplified) video of how this PCR process works. What they left out at the end (at least in virus and bacteria testing) is you tag the end product with something that will light up in a spectrophotometer. If it doesn't light up, its negative. Abbott's problem is going to be mass producing the incredible amount of primers and enzymes necessary to make this test available on a national scale. I totally get exactly how it works. All you need is one or two Corona viruses floating around and this molecular method is going to catch them. EDIT: I'm going to make an assumption people who have successfully recovered from a Corona Virus infection form antibodies to the virus. So the next thing up on the docket is to develop a test protocol to see if someone has those antibodies, and UM, is immune to further infection- at least I hope that's going to be the case.
  8. It's problematic to the extent- you at least have to have a bunch of controlled field trials. Are there side effects? Anyone out there want to take this vaccine and then get exposed to Corona to be a human guinea pig? Show of hands out there for volunteers.
  9. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    OK, your opinion. In a few months deaths by starvation and rioting will surpass Corona. I sincerely hope that's not what you meant. I've run across a few nurses in my time who had mental issues.
  10. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    G, this reminds me a lot of what some African nations were doing during the Ebola crisis. Hit by car- Ebola. Black Mamba bite- Ebola. Stomped by elephant- Ebola. So complications due to corona = 100% corona was the cause of death. We've long known that elderly with multiple underlying health conditions were at extreme risk, so no surprise at all that's accounting for the vast majority of deaths. Nice way to pad your stats Italy. Pray that the Pope will forgive you for that.
  11. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    I'm recommending that aquarium stuff. I think what OBF was saying is that doctor has already been trying hydroxyq, with some favorable results. My POV? The FDA can go to hell in a handbasket with their overbearing restrictions on off label use of drugs. If you have an intelligent doctor, who knows you know what you're talking about- you sort of can self medicate. I do that myself suggesting medications I need to use for high blood pressure. You really want to know why a lot of our drugs are made in China, Israel, or India? Blame the f**king FDA making drug companies jump through a million hoops to get a drug approved in the first place, and then send their asshole inspectors to the manufacturing sites to look for dust behind the refrigerators, so they can site them for petty violations of the CFR (Code of Federal Regulations). Which incidentally if it's printed takes up nine feet of shelf space, and that's just the parts that pertain to drugs. Believe me, working in a blood center (and blood is considered a drug) I had plenty of interaction with them. We employed four people who's only job was to make sure we didn't run afoul of the FDA.
  12. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    Fair enough. I'm willing to put up with the current restrictions indefinitely. The impact on my life is pretty minimal, putting it in perspective. Personally, I like my survival odds. However there's going to be a significant part of the population that won't. I've mentioned my wife is a supervisor in a hospital lab, and she just got a call this morning another employee is self quarantining. That's the third one. It will get bad if there's a significant number of hospital workers who are (at least) temporarily out of commission. With my mountaineering background, I don't scare easily- but I can tell you I wouldn't want to be in an ICU nurses shoes right now.
  13. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    The bold is sort of important tia. No doubt that number is accurate. And If you contract corona the odds you may die is 1.7% or so. Also means there's a 98% chance you won't. But as you know there's plenty of room to add unconfirmed and asymptomatic cases to the TOTAL number of cases- which will almost certainly bring the death rate percentage down. Yes, there certainly is the possibility we may run out of respirators. I brought it up before- are we willing to use "heroic" measures on everyone who winds up in ICU with corona induced pneumonia? Even if they have multiple underlying health problems and a poor quality of life already? If you've ever visited a skilled- as opposed to an assisted- living unit, you'd know what I'm talking about. The majority of SNU residents have one foot in the grave already, and little surprise- contracting corona finishes the job. Before this pandemic hit big time, how many people just considered it a case of the flu? Now anyone who gets a persistent cough thinks they have corona.
  14. hoorta

    Bottom line on the virus

    And I'm not saying there could, and probably will be a heavy impact. My last statement is "it's contagious as hell". And as far as I can tell, the advice we're getting from the epidemiologists is largely being followed. Tighten those restrictions down any further, and you run the risk of riots. Not my point again. Oh, so let's narrow it down to communicable diseases. Your hooker spits in your mouth, you sure could contract AIDS. Well.... let's take a look at what the World health organization says... Of the ten leading causes of death world wide- AIDS is there, as well as to my surprise- tuberculosis. Plenty of diarrhea deaths due to poor sanitation- and I count those as communicable too. https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/the-top-10-causes-of-death Probably around three million deaths due to those causes- and I hear crickets chirping. Do I have to point it out again corona is getting all the attention because 1) it's communicable, and 2) is primarily hitting developed countries? Obviously fear sells big time. So keep those daily body counts coming, by all means- stoking the paranoia. I'm not downplaying this- but it's being treated like the death rate from this virus is up in the 30% range, not the 1% or so (higher in at risk groups) that's the reality of the situation. Until we know what the true ratio of # infected to #deaths, we're guessing. Help us out with some numbers, South Korea. Knowing the percentage of asymptomatic cases might calm the hysteria down a tad. Then again, might make it worse- that stranger in the store is the boogeyman corona carrier, and if I get it, I'm gonna die for sure... We don't know yet what the daily death toll will top out at yet, but OK- 2,000 virus deaths in one day\ 160,000 total world wide deaths = 1% LOL, heart attacks and strokes (by far the largest reasons for death) don't sell papers or get internet clicks. That I agree with you on. Cal and the guys out in farm country are relatively safe. Dr.Drew pointed it out weeks ago- this gets into the homeless population around Los Angeles (or any big city) it's not going to be pretty.