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  1. hoorta

    Pay Hunt. Period.

    I initially didn't think so, but you are correct. Browns slap a first round tender on him = no brainer. Or will the Browns value him so highly they'd be willing to negotiate a long term deal ahead of time?
  2. I mentioned elsewhere John Ross was activated off of IR, and is expected to play against the Browns. He's not even listed on the injury report.
  3. hoorta

    Pay Hunt. Period.

    You forgetting about Chubb? Oh I agree- pay da Man, the only question is- how much? And it has to have a lot of voidable outs for the Browns based on him continuing to behave.
  4. It's ancient history for those who lived through it, but he's 100% correct. Good to bring it up for the youngsters as to how we got where we are today.... Some stuff guys commented on and my final thoughts Brian left off that was a part of why Modell was broke, read on... "He gets the facts absolutely right.However the major underlying reason Modell left for Baltimore was that he was very nearly bankrupt after he tried to sell Stadium Corp to the Browns for 30 times what it was worth and Bob Gries(48% owner of the team) sued him and won forcing Modell to borrow the money to buy him out.Then Modell took the money he had left and borrowed on his NFL TV contract money and purchased real estate in Texas just before the housing bubble burst and the recession started and he lost his shirt.He was borrowing money to make payroll at the very end( Andre Rison contract for example) and was in such poor financial condition that even the sweetheart deal from Baltimore only postponed him eventually selling the team in 2001." "Reply to @Themaven: Modell lived on borrowed money. He borrowed money to purchase the team and continued to borrow money based upon the increased value of the team. When that wasn't enough, he sold off percentages of the team until he was barely majority owner.He fought selling the team and in the end he still sold the team. If he would have just sold the team and the team stayed in Cleveland, he would have ended up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Now, he is an all-time member of the House of Shame." I'll add this as to Art's borrowing. He bought the team for $4 million dollars in 1961. Only put up $250,000 of his own money, and borrowed the rest. If you're wondering what $250k is in today's dollars, it's around $2 million. Modell couldn't leave well enough alone, and was constantly taking out loans against the ever increasing value of the team. It eventually turned around and bit him in the ass. Even with the $70+ million bribe he got from Baltimore and the state of Maryland, and a franchise that was now worth well over a billion- he was so deep in debt Fleet Bank was ready to foreclose on him- because unbelievably, his cash flow wasn't enough to even cover the INTEREST on his loans. LOL, he had "no choice" but to sell the team to Steve Biscotti who graciously saved him further embarrassment. MHO? Nothing short of Divine Justice. He moved because he wanted to pass the team down to his son (who's also dead BTW) and couldn't do so. In the end he might be a hero in Baltimore, but elsewhere in the country, he's a charlatan.
  5. hoorta

    Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen

    From Doc Hoorta. Nope, she's pretty dead, and has been for a long time. I'll never forget Sean Hannity's outspoken defense to keep her alive. FWIW I asked my neurologist pal his opinion when her CAT scan became public. "There's really nothing left there. Usually the family let's them go long before it gets to that state." She might be still alive, vegging along if mom and dad had kept to their fantasy she was somehow going to improve. From Duck Dynasty to persistent vegetative state, I think this thread has run its course. We can revisit it at some future date.
  6. Jerrah started it giving Zeke that fat contract. Now he's going to have to pay Dak and a few others, like Cooper. Welcome to cap hell. You can't buy your way to the Super Bowl.
  7. hoorta

    Ron Rivera

    FIFY. Pat doesn't have the horses. Jason is done if the Scow-boys don't make the playoffs in the pathetic NFC East. Quinn can put the house up for sale. At least on the coaching side, it's definitely Not For Long. Win or you're fired. Why I wonder if Feddie will be one and done. He was given plenty of talent- underperformed, and apparently doesn't seem to know how to use it. He gets a mulligan if he loses to the Ravens the second time around, but not losses to the Bengals or Cardinals.
  8. Couldn't happen to a nicer team. 6-7 and still in first place. May be the first time in quite a while we see a team take a division with a losing record. When it comes to the NFC, no team I hate more- and it's not even close to the runner up.
  9. hoorta

    Ron Rivera

    It will be "we have to evaluate everything after the season is over". And to date, my grade on Freddie is a "D". We'll see if the Dorse thinks differently. Not really. Dorsey didn't waste much time shipping out his draft mistakes of Corbett and Callaway. It would be unheard of to axe a new head coach before his first season is over. If he thinks he can do better than Kitchens- I have no doubt he will do so. After the season is over. He can shield Haslam from the quick trigger label by saying "it's my call".
  10. hoorta

    Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen

    Yeah- sort of backing up what you already said. Cal can have his opinion (even though I think he's dead wrong). I've never watched an episode of Duck Dynasty- so I could care less if the guy quit football to go hunting (or whatever he does on the show).
  11. hoorta

    Week 14 NFL TV Maps

    I did notice one snafu in the college listings... Brad Nessler and Gary Danileson are going to be able to bi-locate for the Army- Navy game and the SEC Championship.
  12. hoorta

    Looking back - Josh Allen vs Josh Rosen

    The Duck Dynasty guy isn't the only one who had talent and bowed out of football. Not by a long shot. In my sport (tennis) I've had talented guys tell me they gave up because they were just tired of busting their ass 5-6 hours every day for 10 years to try and continue. First off, there's no guarantee Mr. Duck would have succeeded in the pros. And Bradshaw FWIW- was a pretty lousy QB by 2019 standards- and benefited greatly having a cast of future HOFers surrounding him. Chris Borland called it quits after a year over injury concerns. Using outliers to try and prove desire and competitiveness are a major factor in determining pro success, well- just no. I've made the point armchair GMs have no clue the level of detail NFL coaches go through evaluating why a guy isn't cutting it in the pros. Hell's Bells, every guy that gets drafted already has passed the scouts eyes as being talented enough to get drafted in the first place. Certainly every first round draftee gets analyzed to death, not only on talent- but a bunch of psychological testing on top of that. Yet every year like clockwork, some of them bust big time. Do some fail due to lack of desire once they start cashing big paychecks? Sure, but they're far in the minority.
  13. hoorta

    Fire Freddy

    Oh, BTW, John Ross is finally healthy again, and will play Sunday. Weather forecast is favorable- 50 degrees, no rain the next couple of days. Get your track shoes on Denzel.
  14. Been hurt the last two years, I won't be surprised at all if he gets released. Ray Lewis he's not.
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