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  1. PoeticG

    Elf come back?

    The Brownie Elf is the best mascot ever. Love to see him with a legit dogpound mascot.... The uniforms actually have some pretty cool combinations but we never really used my favorite ones. I guess we're slated to get some new designed uniforms in what 2020?
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    Study has Browns as one of the WORST fan bases

    We know who is the best.
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    Greg Little

    The Bengals got Little and we got Andrew Hawkins from them. Hawkins was a good little receiver as was our "other little guy" that now plays for the Falcons. - Weeden took Little down with him. A surefire way to kill an inconsistent catcher is an even more inconsistent passer...
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    Greg Little

    Little entered the league as a 2011 second-round pick of the Browns and spent three seasons in Cleveland. He caught 155 passes during that time, but drops and other mental miscues helped keep him from meeting the expectations for him.
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    Greg Little

    Let's GOOO Little!
  6. Browns out here looking like the mothaShmuckin Warriors!!!
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    Browns sign Vet ...waive Rod Johnson

    GREG ROBINSON?!! Isn't he the beast OL from a few drafts back? Let's see if he can catch that second wind.
  8. This is the year. It would have been the year without a doubt if we would have gotten Barkley. Taylor is the QB and he has a plenty of weapons and the defense is looking legit. TWO proven signal callers at both Offense and Defense. Hue can focus on being Head Coach. The BEST WR in the NFL has his head on straight and is full steam ahead for the first time in his career. Even though we don't have Barkley I'm 100 times more excited about our RB room with Hyde/Chubb/Duke than I would have been with another year of Crowfell and Johnson. We landed our QB of the future into the best situation possible. Taylor is in his prime and has the best opportunity a guy looking for a chance could ask for. If Tyrod goes down at some point, it's ready or not time for Baker and I really don't think we miss a beat.
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    Updating the Depth Chart

    Kindred is a stud.
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    Sneaking up out of nowhere

    Josh Gordon is the greatest WR since Jerry Rice. Untouchable in almost every aspect of the game. He was unmercifully punished up until now... and he's pissed off for greatness. It's showtime- but first it's Hard Knocks on HBO.
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    Josh Gordon came back after almost two years of not playing and straight up dominated against nearly every corner that had him. The CBs and Safeties were literally hanging from his jersey 90% of the time. Go back and watch the most absolute definition of pass interference my eyes have ever seen. On one play, a DB goes down right in front of Gordon and as he goes to catch the ball the guy on the ground straight up undercuts him and sends Josh tumbling... nearly seriously injuring him. I was surprised he walked away from that one! Gordon is on pace to pick right back up where he left off, he may be even further along than he was before suspension. He looks completely jacked and in great shape. And I just want to clear this up about the "Dark Shades" that keeps being brought up. That was a WR ROOM thing. Corey Coleman even got a pair for scoring as well. Simply take a minute to do a little research instead of spreading rumors and grey propaganda. Gordon will have to be given some breathing room with all the other WRs that the defense will have to account for. Josh Gordon is the biggest playmaker ANY team could have asked for, that includes FA and the NFL Draft. I think that some are completely underestimating this group. Landry- 4- 1,000 yard seasons, over 400 catches. Pro Bowl WR. That's 2 Pro Bowl WRs that are only getting better right now at this stage of their careers. Coleman and Callaway are two explosive fast and quick WRs that can both blow the roof off of the defense. Njoku isn't a WR but he IS. Giant man with speed and a great ability to leap and catch the ball. DeValve is under rated, dude is built like Hercules. Go and watch his ProDay and you'll see what I'm talking about. He's what a beast would call a beast. Also very tall and has great leaping ability. Who would win a jump ball between Seth and Njoku? That's still up for debate. Ricardo Louis and Hollywood Higgins haven't even been able to show what they've got yet. All these guys need is a QB that can get them the ball. Now they have two.
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    You are starting your own football league

    100 players per team. Players are paid in three groups; - 1,000,000 per year - 3,000,000 per year - 5,000,000 per year Longer season- 24 game season running from June to January, then the Playoffs. I would eliminate the Pre-Season. You could still schedule a scrimmage with another team but that would be a training camp thing and completely volunteer. That would pick up 4 games and then adding another 4 games in July puts us at 24 right there. There would be two bye-weeks. Every player gets retirement funds for each season they are under contract plus injury compensation. Better state of the art equipment and possibly even nanosuit like technology- impact absorbing materials. I wouldn't tone the game back any. If anything I would allow it to be even more physical. Football is played but it's supposed to be like a controlled war. That is what makes it special. It is risky and dangerous but there in lies the glory of it. *A funny idea I had was giving the Safety or whoever is the antithesis of the QB on the Defense a small like ball orb thing that they could throw to knock down the football in the air.
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    Baker Mayfield Thread

    This video Shmucked me up. Powerful. Life is too short for the pettiness... we only get one shot. Make it count.
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    Callaway Highlights

    Watched his press conference with the Cleveland Media, he handled himself well. I sure wish him the best of luck, he seems genuine and well mannered. He's a little soft spoken but you can sense the fire and passion for the game and wanting to do great things. This group of WRs is one of the best I've seen... if it all comes together. I hope we can find a way to keep these guys around for the long haul. Tremendous abilities...
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    Antonio Callaway

    Callaway is going to be a really good football player. Compares to Antonio Brown. Gordon, Landry, Callaway and Coleman... that's a group with a lot to prove and a really big collective chip on their shoulders.
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    From the bottom to the top - These Browns can't be stopped! It's time. Let's GoOOOOO!
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    Message Board Story about Peppers

    Peppers being used properly. Randall being used properly. Garrett, Ogbah, Nassib, Orchard, Thomas on the ends of the DL. Ogunjobi filling out and becoming a vet... Brantley as well. Kirko, Show and Jamie Collins and Avery doing what linebackers do. Ward, Carrie, Gaines, Bodycount, and Taylor(don't forget about the late rounders at CB and Howard Wilson's recovery as well). This is adding up to be a very good defensive unit, both from a starter's perspective and the depth is impressive also. On the Offensive side we are COMPLETELY LOADED. Taylor will start, he's efficient, effective and protective with the ball, nice accuracy and he's got so much speed for a QB that it's going to be tough on the defense to zero in on him. The backup Mayfield is the future and he's going to be a hell of a player when his time comes. I think that it's going to be extremely important to have both these guys when we make a deep playoff run next year. The runningbacks are bulldozers, Hyde and Chubb will ensure that our downhill running game continues if one should go down for any amount of time. Duke is a playmaker. Njoku and DeValve have barely scratched the surface of what they can do. With an effective QB they will shine with their great height and hands. Gordon is the best in the game and he appears to be on course for a career year. Landry is as sure a catcher as can be found and runs great routes, very savvy veteran. Coleman and Callaway are burners with the ability to make plays with the ball in their hands. Callaway is an Antonio Brown clone and Coleman will bounce back. Ricardo Louis and Higgins should thrive with a better group of QBs as well. This team IS loaded and the Browns are going to be something special this year. Worst to first - Zeros to Heros. It's time, fall in line and get behind our guys and lets see where this thing goes! There's a gleam...
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    Baker Mayfield Thread

    ... jumping in the lake JUNE 1st... wtf Hue? I smell pussy.
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    POLL: When will Baker start?

    Taylor has never had a cast around him like he's about to get. Hyde, Chubb, Duke, Njoku, DeValve, Gordon, Landry, Coleman, Callaway... Then the Defense is as fierce as ever. DBs all over the place, amazing LBs and one of the best DLs ever put together. Ogunjobi is massive, he's only gotten bigger since last year. Garrett and Ogbah are A+ talents and when they have a chance to play together for an extended period of time- they'll wreck havoc! Depth is nice as well, don't sleep on Nassib or Orchard just yet, plus add in CJ to the mix, that's a big bad load of whoop butt...
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    POLL: When will Baker start?

    What if Tyrod Taylor wins the SuperBowl?
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    Baker Mayfield Thread

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    Baker Mayfield Thread

    Fun video about Baker.
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    Oh That Crafty Bellichek

    The past is the past. All of the teams are 0-0. We've way past waited our turn to win a Championship. Nobody is going to give it to us, hell, some even enjoy our suffering but NO MORE! If we want it bad enough, we have go and TAKE IT. It's going to start and end with the fanbase. Talk about dropped ball and you'll see more dropped balls. What you collectively speak into place finds a way to manifest itself, believe it or not, in reality. A really cool article on Paul Brown from Jan. 18th 1982... https://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/18/sports/football-paul-brown-s-way.html CINCINNATI PAUL BROWN'S players used to call it The Speech. They would get it the first day of training camp every year. Two hours of Paul Brown on what to wear. How to talk. When to smoke. Whom to associate with. The talk was so long, Paul Brown took two breaks. But when it was over they knew what it took to play football for Paul Brown, perhaps the most successful coach in the history of football. They knew that he had standards that went beyond blocking and tackling and running. ''Do it my way,'' he would tell them, ''or hit the highway.'' And there was one other thing about those speeches. Paul Brown explained who was in charge. This is how one of his less-reverential former Cincinnati Bengal players, Pat Matson, remembered Brown asserting authority that first day: ''One time he told the owner of the team, John Sawyer, to stand up. As soon as he stood up, Brown told him, 'Sit down.' And Brown said, 'I'm the last word.' I read it as, it wasn't going to be like it was in Cleveland. You can't go to anybody else.'' Brown is a week away from the ultimate last words in football -the Super Bowl. His Bengals, for whom, at the age of 73 he is vice president, general manager, and one of three principal owners, have one more game to win. They play it Sunday against the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl XVI in Pontiac, Mich. But he really can't lose. His reputation remains bigger than the man. Why, Bill Walsh, the 49er coach, was a Brown assistant for many years. Hadn't Brown rescued Walsh from oblivion after the semi-pro team Walsh coached, the San Jose Apaches, went bankrupt? And Chuck Studley, the 49er defensive coordinator, had been a car salesman before Brown brought him to the Bengals. Brown's blue eyes, which peer out under permanently arched eyebrows, didn't blink as he said in an interview last week, ''When Bill Walsh came here he was up against it and he spent eight years and he saw how to build a franchise, I guess.'' Continue reading the main story Advertisement Continue reading the main story But when Brown decided to step down after a successful 1975 season, he passed over Walsh for Bill Johnson. The reason Brown has always offered for not hiring Walsh is that Walsh preferred to live on the West Coast, where he was happiest. ''You can't have two people on the same staff wanting to be head coach,'' Brown said. Forrest Gregg, the Bengal coach, whom Brown calls ''a man's man,'' also was a Brown inspiration. Gregg previously had been dismissed as the coach of the Cleveland Browns by Art Modell, the owner. Many years before Modell had dismissed another coach, although that was more dramatic. Soon after the 1962 season Modell had dismissed the coach the Cleveland Browns were named for: Paul Brown. There are more than 40 coaches and assistant coaches in the N.F.L. -about 15 percent of the total - who played or worked for Paul Brown. ''And that doesn't include the coaches I've got on my own staff now,'' he says with a wink. He has coached Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Walt Michaels. The Hall of Fame includes Otto Graham and Marion Motley and, of course, Paul Brown. The Brown Legend simply will grow this week. Some of his more remarkable coaching records will be recounted: - Massillon (Ohio) High School -won 80, los t 8, tied 2. - Cleveland Browns, All-America Football Conference - won 47, lost 4, tied 3. - Cleveland Browns, N.F.L. - won 111, lost 44, tied 5. In 1949, after one of the four games his Browns lost in the 54 they played in the A.A.F.C., he gathered together his troops on Monday. Well, his players wondered, perhaps he'll congratulate us on the streak. The Browns had gone 29 games before losing. ''I'm telling you this and it's cold turkey. If those of you who fell down on the job don't bounce back, I'll sell you.'' Even indoors, Brown wears his spiffy houndstooth jacket and his snap-brim hat that is adorned with a colorful feather that looks as if it were plucked from a peaSock. ''I was probably the first football coach to dress up,'' he says. Even today the persistent image is one of the nattily dressed Brown prowling the sidelines in a loden jacket or overcoat with raglan sleeves, the knot in the tie showing. ''I told the players I didn't want them looking like old pro players,'' he says. ''When I went into the pros, they had a very poor image.'' The first personnel director of the Bengals, Al LoCasale - now administrative assistant to Al Davis of the Oakland Raiders - recalls Brown's warning to players not to wear T-shirts in training camp, or smoke in front of children, or go to a bar. ''I felt at all times that having 'good people' around was a basic with him,'' says LoCasale. ''He had this speech he would give on the first day - he had copies of every one he made - and he would tell the players they had a reverential responsibility to protect the game.'' Brown recalls easily, proudly all his firsts. He speaks of them as evenly -with no false modesty - as he does the controversies. There are no regrets. For Paul Brown has always believed in the absolute correctness of his actions. Sometimes, his days have been so good, that he attempts to repeat them. How? He kept a diary during football season of each day's activities. If one day went particularly well, he just might do it again, following the same timetable. And when one considers the bottom line, who can fault him? The Bengals are not completely his anymore. Brown, who founded the team in 1968 as an owner, general manager and coach, gave up coaching them in 1975. Gregg has been head coach for two seasons. Most of the players were children when Brown formed the Bengals. But ''P.B.'' as Brown is known in the organization, remains the powerful symbol of the Bengals. His son Mike, the club's legal counsel and assistant general manager, says, ''I think my father suffered from criticism that he interfered. He is very conscious of that.'' But Paul Brown still brings a brown-bag lunch on Monday mornings, reporting for work at the Bengal training camp for four hours of watching films. He sees each of the films, which last until noon: the special teams, the defense, the offense. Does he interfere? ''I say wha t I want to say. Like, say, one end of the field freezesup - make sur e the defensive backs backpedal on that side of the field so they know what it's like in a game.'' Sometimes, he seems embarrassed when the attention focuses on him and not on Gregg and the players. The morning after the Bengals trounced the Chargers to win the American Conference championship, more newsmen sought out Brown than any coach or player. While he was speaking, obviously delighted with the attention, he saw Gregg approach and said, ''Well, I wonder what he'll say about this crowd.'' For most of the last few years, Paul Brown was in the shadows. It wasn't always that way. When he was coaching Massillon High in the 1930's, he was more well known than most college coaches. The school was undefeated in 1935, 1936, 1938, 1939 and 1940. It lost once in the last 60 games he coached. Then he went on to Ohio State in 1941. By 1942, Ohio State was the unofficial national collegiate champion. Two years later, as a Lieutenant (j.g.) in the Navy, he was directed to produce a powerful football team at the Great Lakes (Ill.) Naval Training Center. ''The Admiral told me it was good for morale. We put a stadium in the center of the parade grounds and one time we had 100,000 people,'' he says. He formed, perhaps, the best football team in the United States. ''I was told to be on the alert for anyone coming through,'' he explains about how he got his players. ' 'I ha d coached in the Big 10, so anyone coming through, I had their fol ders pulled out, we heldthem over and we tested them.'' As soon as the war was over, he was installed as the head of a new team in a new league: the Cleveland Browns of the A.A.F.C. It was there that he started doing things differently: Intelligence tests for players, a year-round coaching staff, diagramming patterns for his receivers to run, sending in plays by messenger guard - even keeping the team together the night before a game and then sending the squad to a movie that would uplift them. The N.F.L. took in the Browns in a 1950 merger. In their first six years in the National League they won the Eastern Division title each time. That gave him a record of winning a league or division title in each of his first 10 seasons as a pro coach. He offers some reasons: - ''My standard was, Did you do the best you could? Of all the ballplayers, I got rid of the selfish ones first.'' - ''Never ask a player to do anything unless you tell them why. In our playbook, I said, 'Why do we have calisthenics?' I explained, 'To get warm.' '' - ''Football is a team game. It's a kind of war.'' But in 1961, Modell bought controlling interest in the Browns. Brown retained his share in the team, but until then, the coach had been the last word. Now Modell demanded a voice in the operation. Brown has contended that he was undermined by players, such as the great running back Jim Brown, who went to Modell and complained of Brown's old-fashioned, high-handed actions. Even at the time, Modell was quoted as having said that seven veterans were ready to quit if something wasn't done. The 39-year-old Modell dismissed the 54-year-old Brown, who refused to sell his share in the team to Modell. Brown sold it when the Bengal franchise was created. Modell today claims that this version of the dismissal is inaccurate, but refuses to discuss his reasons for dismissing Brown. ''It's more profound than that,'' he says. Modell adds that even after he dismissed Brown, the pair had a relationship. ''I even helped him get the Bengals' franchise,'' says Modell. ''What little we had evaporated when he wrote his book.'' Modell said last week that the book, ''P B: The Paul Brown Story'' written with Jack Clary and published in 1979, is ''libelous and trash.'' Among Brown's charges in the book - for which Commissioner Pete Rozelle fined him $10,000 during Super Bowl Week last year - was that Modell told Brown to use Ernie Davis, who was stricken with leukemia, to help attendance. Modell denies the charge. When Brown was dismissed after 1962, he still had five years remaining on a contract paying him $80,000 a year. ''The only one getting paid more than me to play golf,'' he said during his retirement, ''is Arnold Palmer.'' He does not recall retirement so fondly these days, though. ''I didn't want to end my football like it ended in Cleveland,'' he says. He drums his fingers on a chair. There was an expansion franchise slated for Cincinnati in 1968 and he wanted to be part of it.''I didn't come back for the money. My sons and I were thinking of buying a radi o station. We had money. And I said, 'Everybody sleep onthis, but I'v e got to get back into football.' ''We got up in the morning and I said 'How do you feel' and my wife, Katie, said, 'Well, we're going back into football.' '' And so they did. By their third year in the league, 1970, the Bengals won the Central Division title. He had told them on that first day, when he expected discipline, ''We may be an expansion team, but we aren't going to be the Foreign Legion.'' He had also said, when asked why he drafted Jess Phillips, who had served time in prison for passing bad checks, ''I, perhaps better than anyone, should know that a man isn't always what his reputation proclaims him to be.'' That reputation as intransigent and tough remains in the mind of Pat Matson, the former guard whom the Bengals got in the expansion draft. ''I was player rep at the time of the first players' strike, which never sat well with him. After the strike he traded me. He's a very vindictive person,'' recalls Matson, who now owns health clubs in Cincinnati. ''Three years later I saw him and I said, 'Even God forgives.' He didn't think it was funny.'' These days, Brown is charitable when discussing Matson, whom he labels, ''a pumped-up 200 pounds.'' ''Matson played with great spirit,'' says Brown, ''but things with him were never quite the same after the strike - and he led it.'' Brown coached the Bengals through the 1975 season. They wound up with their best record - 11-3. And then on Ne w Year's Day 1976, afterthe team was eliminated from the playoffs, he announced he was givingup coaching. ''I was 67 and we had had a fine year. I only wanted to coach three or four years and I did it eight years.'' And what has it been like in the background? ''I made a decision to treat the coach as I would have wanted to be treated if I were the coach.'' He paused after that sentence, considering its structure. ''Contrary to fact ... 'were' is plural. It takes the subjunctive mood.'' He seemed pleased. ''I also taught grammar,'' he said. Correction: Wednesday, Late City Final Edition The TimesMachine archive viewer is a subscriber-only feature. We are continually improving the quality of our text archives. Please send feedback, error reports, and suggestions to archive_feedback@nytimes.com. --- It's a mindset. It's a belief. It takes protecting... but it's worth protecting. Go and get it- but you better be willing to sacrifice. Giving whatever it takes to be remembered as great. It's a mentality. Go represent. Do right and be right.