BaconHound

What a fantastic win. For the first time in a long time it felt like I was watching a legit NFL team. Great job Browns.

I didn't like the trade, wanted to keep Josh on the team and will admit that he was less than enthused to play for the Browns. What the pumpers won't admit is, he was under contract, would try once in a while, would be the best WR on the team and the culture on this team is laughable without him.

At least Gordon would've given us a WR the other team worried about

Can we get an offensive line first. Controlling the line of scrimmage is very important in today’s game.

For goodness sake Kansas City hasn’t stopped a RB or the screen game all year long.

Watching this nonsense again can we finally admit the talent is just not there or are we still locked into it’s the coaches fault.

I’ve been saying this pre draft, the overall system/offensive talent that surrounded Baker made him look better than he is. The problem is this fanbase, and organization, was hell bent on taking a QB. Before the draft I didn’t want one and looking at how they are playing my mind hasn’t changed.

Tanking is purposefully losing to get the highest draft pick possible. Suck for Luck. Trust the Process. Teams thought Andrew Luck was the next greatest NFL QB so they lost to try to get him. The 76ers lost to draft Noel, Embiid & Simmons. Trading veterans for young talent in MLB for smaller markets is simply smart administration, the losing is simply a byproduct of the trades. The Orioles traded Machado because they weren’t going to pay him and they wanted to get something in return. The Raiders didn’t trade Mack to lose and draft his replacement, they did so because they weren’t going to pay him. Here’s a good read http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/163874706/rebuilding-tanking-whats-the-difference-colts

Now you want to argue semantics. I figured you, being a sports guy, would understand the context of the word “tanking” meaning losing to increase your draft prospects. The NBA teams tank because the talent disparity in the draft outside number 3-5 is typically significant and in any given year a franchising changing player is available in the top 3. MLB teams will “strip” their roster, trade vets for young prospects, take shots other teams waiver, etc on the cheap to build a winning team but the Orioles aren’t tanking draft a single player. When big trades are made prospects are included not draft picks. In the NBA and NFL top picks are talked about years in advance. Can you name the top 3 players taken in last years MLB draft, again rhetorical. Tanking is about intentionally losing to increase draft stock not trading vets for young prospects.

How many players on the Royals, Cubs and Astros World Series winning rosters were top 10 picks of their organizations? Let’s make that rhetorical. On a World Series roster most teams will have a handful of homegrown guys and maybe 1 or 2 that were top 10 picks. Very good MLB players come from all over the draft and from other teams.

Tanking in MLB makes no sense. Tanking in NBA makes total sense. Tanking in the NFL makes some sense but not a lot.

No I don’t. I’m in the minority here since I believe talent is 80% of winning and coaching is 20%. This team doesn’t have enough talent to beat good teams week in and week out. The question will remain can they draft well enough to build a winning franchise

I was one of them. Given Haslam’s part in the Steelers organization I was so hopeful. The the FBI hit, then Sashi and now the broken record routine has me contemplating becoming a Lions fan

God bless ya man. I’ve had my favorite teams have some lean years. The Sooners, Celtics, Bruins all have had stinkers but the difference with the Browns isn’t the downs but the lack of mediocrity. The Browns have been over .500 once in 15 years. The Lions for contrast have done it 4 times and they are considered the worst NFL franchise.

Since I’m one of the negative jerks, what is there is to be positive about. Not trying to be sarcastic but our record over the past decade is embarrassing. For years I laughed at using the franchise tag on your kicker and the last 2 years that seems like the best move they’ve made in a decade. The only glimmer of positivity in this abyss is Ward but it’s hard to evaluate him since the team hasn’t had a 3-5 game stretch of success where the defense has been called upon to stop teams in the 4th quarter with a 10+ plus lead.