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    I must have been knee-deep on the Warden's to do list back when you posted this. Great stuff! I'm glad to see my avatar on that list so way to do it with Greg Pruitt. He never gave us time to mourn the sleeping legs of Leroy Kelly. Those 2 guys really captivated my interest; and gave me an understanding of why my dad had a huge antennae on the roof (before satellites came along). Nothing better than watching the Cleveland Browns take on the Saints on an Ottawa station in French. Just when it couldn't get any more outrageous, my dad tells my older brother, "Asshole, the Browns were winning when you took your brother's seat - so get back in the chairs you were in when the game started." Even crazier, the Browns came back and won. After our short musical chairs tradition ended, when the Browns would either lose leads or not look at all like they were favored my brother would hear - "Hey asshole, did you put cake on the Browns again today?" Almost every time that happened, he sure did. I've ALWAYS been a huge fan of the tradition of the running game in Cleveland. I liked that about Ohio State as well with Archie Griffin giving me a strong 1st impression with back to back Heisman Trophies. Syracuse was my 1B college fave due to the locality. They also had a strong RB tradition inclusive of Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Larry Csonka, Floyd Little, Joe Morris and Moose Johnston. Unfortunately, I think our chance of seeing Clay Matthews make the Hall of Fame seems to be slipping away because the 2 favorite LBers of my lifetime are Mike Johnson and Clay Matthews. If opponents voted on the Hall of Fame, I think Clay Matthews would have made it by now. He played all 4 LB positions in the 3-4 extremely well when injuries needed him to do so; and he played all 3 very well in the 4-3 under similar circumstances. At a Browns Backers Banquet in Rochester, NY - Joe DeLamiellure was asked who the toughest guy he ever faced was. Without hesitation he said "Clay Matthews is the toughest SOB I ever faced. And I had to do this EVERY day in practice." He added that every time injuries caused him to play another 1 of the LBer positions - he often upgraded it over that of the injured starter. IMO, this unselfishness probably cost him a few Pro Bowls at the OLB he would would have played at all season if there were no injuries to problem solve. 1 thing nobody can change was the impact Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome had on the success of this team after they were both drafted in the 1st round of 1978. The most successful decade this team had at making the playoffs was in the 1980s - the those guys were great leaders by example on their sides of the ball. So where are we today? Running the ball down the esophagus of our opponents. I LOVE ME some of that!!!
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    The legit question Tex is at what point does the NFL decide there's just too many players out sick to actually play an individual- or a bunch of games? In any meaningful way? You can already argue there's a ton of "competitive disadvantage" going on. MHO is the NFL is doing the classic putting lipstick on a pig of a season- just to salvage whatever revenue they can in a lost season. The rate covid is growing on a log growth curve, it's not looking good to keep teams safe.
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    Homer Simpson Tried To Warn Us!
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    Well Training Camp is almost here, so time to unleash something I have been working on for awhile: My Browns All-Time 53 Man Depth Chart My Guidelines: --Needed to play three full seasons or more with the Browns --Players are only rated on what they did with the Browns, the rest of their careers is not weighted in --You are rated on how you performed against your peers. In other words, I don't need to hear the 240 lb. lineman versus today's lineman argument, we're not actually playing a football game, we recognizing accomplishment with the Brown & Orange. --Feel free to suggest your favorite players, I will update the list every year, maybe you will get through to me Notes: I tried to keep a balanced depth chart, but I ended up keeping 4 QBs because those four meant so much to the franchise and I don't want to demote them until Baker makes me. I also kept 4 running backs because it was bothering me that HOF Bobby Mitchell was not on the squad even though he only played four years with us. Also, I added Doug Dieken in favor of a third TE because we all know Doug would have been the best blocking TE ever ... and he can catch TD passes! I learned a LOT about the guys in the 50s because I had to research them, stats are not as applicable and I couldn't rely on Pro Football Reference's AV, because they don't apply it before 1960. So I had fun learning about these guys, and the guys from the 60's too, although I pretty much knew their reputations. From 1969 on I've watched just about every Sunday of football so those guys were easier to slot. There was no set formula to making the roster, i.e. Your # of All Pro Seasons, Pro Bowl Seasons, AV, years of service, etc ... It's subjective ... my opinion weighing everything I know about these guys. I didn't count our long snapper against the 53 because I wasn't about to drop one if these guys for a long-snapper. So many good players were left off the 53, that I found other ways to recognize them: --The Practice Squad: Basically these were the hardest cuts and I balanced it out by positions like a real practice squad. So Eric Metcalf didn't make it because I already had 4 RB and a KR on the roster and 2 RB on the practice squad. We have a great history at RB. Some spots, like TE, MLB and DB I had to dig a little further to fill spots down a list of all-time Browns (this is not just an All-Time list, it is a depth chart). --Legends Club: These are simply guys that have been recognized by the Browns Organization as "Legends" who did not make the 53 or the PS All-Pro Club: These are guys were recognized as First team All Pros during their career with the Browns, but did not qualify for the above categories. Pro Bowl Club: These are guys that were Pro Bowlers with the Browns but did not qualify for the above categories. The guys with multiple Pro Bowls are listed first, otherwise they are listed by order of their Browns debut. Excellence in Longevity Club: These are guys that didn't make my squad and never made a Pro Bowl team, but had long distinguished careers with good production and I wanted to recognize them. Futures Club: These are the ten Current Browns who I feel have the best chance to make some noise on this ranking in the future. Must have played one season in the Brown & Orange, sorry OBJ fans. Hall of Famers in Gold, All Pros in Orange, Pro Bowlers in Brown, the rest in Black. So, without further ado: All Time Browns 53 Man Roster QB Otto Graham ’46-55 / Frank Ryan QB ’62-68 / Bernie Kosar ’85-93 / Brian Sipe ’74-83 FB Marion Motley ’46-53 RB Jim Brown ’57-65/ Leroy Kelly ’64-73/ Greg Pruitt ’73-81 / Bobby Mitchell ’58-61 WR Paul Warfield ’64-77 / Ray Renfro ’52-63 / WR Dante Lavelli 46-56 / Mac Speedie ’46-52 / Gary Collins ’62-71 TE Ozzie Newsome ’78-90 / Milt Morin ’66-75 / T Joe Thomas ‘07-17/ Dick Schafrath ’59-71 / Doug Dieken ’71-84 T Lou Groza ’46-67 / Mike McCormick ’54-62 G Gene Hickerson ‘58-73 / Jim Ray Smith ’56-62 G Joe DeLamiellure ’80-84 / John Wooten ‘59-67 C Frank Gatski ’46-56 / Tom DeLeone ’74-84 DT Michael Dean Perry ’88-94 / Walter Johnson ‘65-76 DT Jerry Sherk ’70-81 / Bob Gain ’52-64 DE Bill Willis ’46-53 / Bill Glass’62-68 DE Len Ford ’50-57 / Paul Wiggin DE ’57-67 MLB Mike Johnson ’86-93 / Vince Costello ’57-66 OLB Clay Matthews ’78-93 / Walt Michaels ’52-61 OLB Jim Houston ‘60-72 / Chip Banks ’82-86 / Galen Fiss LB ’56-66 CB Frank Minnifield ’84-92 / Joe Haden ’10-16 CB Hanford Dixon ’81-89 / Bernie Parrish ’59-66 S Thom Darden ’72-81 / Clarence Scott ’71-83 S Eric Turner ’91-95 / Warren Lahr ’49-59 K Phil Dawson ’99-12 P Horace Gillom ’47-55 KR Josh Cribbs ’05-12 (LS Ryan Pontbriand ’03-11) Practice Squad Mike Pruitt RB ’76-84 Kevin Mack RB ’85-93 Pete Brewster TE ’52-58 Webster Slaughter WR ’86-91 Cody Risen T ’79-89 Abe Gibron G ‘ 50-56 Bob Golic DT ’82-88 Don Colo DT ‘53-58 Don Paul DB ’54-58 Tommy James DB ’48-55 Legends Club Dub Jones RB ’48-55 Eric Metcalf RB/KR ’89-94 Tony Adamle LB ’47-54 Ernie Green RB ’62-88 Erich Barnes CB ’65-71 Don Cockroft K/P ’68-80 Robert E. Jackson G ’75-83 Dick Ambrose MLB ’75-83 Eddie Johnson LB ’81-90 Earnest Byner RB ’84-88, ’94-95 All Pro Club Tommy Thompson LB ’49-53 Ron Snidow DE ’68-72 Lyle Alzado DE ’79-81 Jamir Miller LB ’99-01 Josh Gordon WR ’12-18 Pro Bowl Club Alex Mack C ’09-15 (3) Milt Plumb QB ’57-61 (2) John Morrow C ’60-66 (2) Weldon Humble G ’47-50 Ken Carpenter RB ’50-53 Chick Jigade FB ’51-53 Ken Konz S ’53-59 Carlton Massey DE ’54-56 Fred “Curly” Morrison RB ’54-56 Art Hunter C ’56-59 Johnny Brewer LB/TE ’61-67 Dick Modzelewski DT ’64-66 Fred Hoaglin C ‘66-71 Ernie Kellerman S ’66-71 Jack Gregory DE ’67-71 Ben Davis CB ’67-73 Bill Nelson QB ’68-72 Gerald “Ice Cube” McNeil KR ’86-90 Leroy Hoard RB ’90-95 Rob Burnett DE ’90-95 Pepper Johnson MLB ’93-95 Kellen Winslow TE ‘04-08 Braylon Edwards WR ’05-09 Derek Anderson QB ’06-09 Shaun Rogers DT ’08-10 TJ Ward S ’10-13 Jordan Cameron TE ’11-14 Tashaun Gipson S ’12-15 Gary Barnidge TE ’13-16 Honorable Mention Monte Clark T ’63-69 Charlie Hall LB ’71-80 Reggie Rucker WR ’74-81 Mike Baab C ’82-91 Paul Farren T ‘83-91 Felix Wright S '85-90 Dan Fike G ‘85-92 Tony Jones T ’88-95 Orpheus Roye DE ’00-07 D’Qwell Jackson MLB ’06-13 Futures Squad Joel Bitonio G 2014- Christian Kirksey LB 2014- Joe Schoebert MLB 2016- Myles Garrett DE 2017- David Nojoku TE 2017- Larry Ogunjobi DT 2017- Baker Mayfield QB 2018- Denzel Ward CB 2018- Jarvis Landry WR 2018- Nick Chubb RB 2018-
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    I'll update it in the offseason, when I can work in this year's accomplishments. Z
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    ^^ Good Morning Curmudgeon'(s)!! 🤓 and welcome back! ... As projected.. A peek in Covid cases were coming in the fall.. Even the games stars have no protection shields from Covid.. To this point...I'd applaud the NFL league offices & players union having done some real right things... Can it Continue? ? Not with large Team* roster spreads of Covid.. another right choice imho...If we have to wait till a Tuesday night game to see a better roster'd team? So be it!! We might not see 17 weeks of NFL football? But, we'll see a great finish to this season (somehow) ...book it!!
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    Ah, sadly I understand. Noted. You're not going to like the next few months. Good luck.
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    Mrs. Wife just told me that the Ravens game is moved to Tuesday.
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    Clay better get in.. hes got numbers as good or better than Junior Seau.. And he got in..
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    How come they don't push ours back so our "star" can play too?
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    Great article about a great man from his son. Good find Mike.
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    Yep, first step as I said a few days ago. They're throwing out the Election results due to rampant off the charts fraud, and the State legislators (R's) will get a shot at appointing the Electors. Not looking so good for ByeDem is it ? EDIT : Should have posted this first, lost track of it.
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    Nothing like spinning yet another lose into a "win". 😃 “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee and former law school professor, wrote for the three-judge panel. The derp state got to another Republican!!
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    Nick Karns makes a solid case for Baker Mayfield...
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    But you did not throw the deputy. Self defense!
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    this has loads of time involved and is crazy good Z. Loads of memory flashbacks..Thanks.. Have you gotten to your Mt.Rushmore of 4 yet? EDIT----Had to take a peek👀..Cockroff missed 25 XP's of 457? I think I finally nunched Awesome Dawson ahead of The Don with only missing 8 of 358..my orange heart still demands a tiebreaker kickoff..
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    Metcalf was a hard guy to leave off. Perhaps I should add a "utility" designation for a player. As a running back, he has three Hall of Famers, plus the Pruitts, and Mack and Byner ahead of him. He played six seasons with us and never had more than 600 yards rushing, but was an electrifying receiver from the RB spot as well. As KR, his problem is Josh Cribbs. I didn't have room for a KR and a PR, so I had to combine the skills. As a Punt returner Metcalf was a 10.6 ave and 5 TDs, while Cribbs was 11.0 and 3 TDs. But as kick-off returners it wasn't close. Cribbs has the NFL record with 8 TDs as a Kick returner, all with the Browns, while Metcalf had two, Cribbs averaged 25.9 on kick returns, while Metcalf was 20.2. Metcalf was lightning, but Cribbs had that strength to break through tackles and get those extra yards. Cribbs had 14,065 all-purpose yards with the Browns and 11 return TDs, Metcalf 9.108 all-purpose yards and 7 TDs. Hopefully the NFL will expand rosters and I can add a Punt Returner or a utility guy, in the meantime, Metcalf is on the fringe with me. Zombo
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    Or the NFL? Elementary my dear Watson $$$$$$ Even if they manage to pull off the rest of this season, it deserves one big * Not that I'll shed any tears for the Steelers or Ravens, but what should have been a mini-bye for both teams turned into a short week.... And the Browns still have to play the seriously infected Ratbirds yet. Vaccine won't be generally available in time for the Super $$$ Bowl. No or minimal fans there- just special I tell ya.
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    A bubble playoff scenario might be the only way we see the season play out.
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