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  1. 3 points
    I don't start alot of threads here, but you guys are expecting some great team in year 2 and that's stupid. And if the fans get restless again, then we're just going to start the whole thing. The headline of 2017 is WE HAVE A DEFENSE. This thing is fixed. We are 11th in total defense and I think we can all agree that that number would be even better if our three best defenders hadn't both missed multiple games (Shelton, Collins, Garrett) and our offense didn't suck. IN JUST TWO YEARS WE HAVE BUILT OURSELVES A TOP 10 DEFENSE. Do you care about winning 3 games this year or winning 10 next year? Have some longterm vision. You idiots probably play the lottery and live paycheck to paycheck too. The Browns are the kid from a good home who fell on hard time who works his butt off and is going to pull himself up from his minimum wage job, even though he knows he's on a 4 year plan. He's working two jobs, riding the bus, living in some couple's back shed with no AC where rent's only $275/month, saving $100/week knowing it's eventually going to pay off. You guys are the pizza delivery boys with $425 car payments because you have no patience for anything in life. I fully believe that our franchise QB is currently on the roster. But even if he's not, we're going to have a top 3 pick this year. Our OL is solid. We have a top notch 3rd down back. Our defense is a hair away from being elite. We need a halfway decent RB and a couple receivers and this thing can hum. We have 5 picks in the top 2 rounds next year to make this thing work. IT WILL WORK. Maybe we have to replace the coach after next year if Hue still underperforms WHEN HE HAS TALENT. But we need to give him 2018 for two reasons. A. to get a true evaluation on him and B. to show replacement candidates that he actually deserved his firing and Jimmy no longer has a hair trigger. So please guys, sell your stupid Camaro, move out of the $900 downtown condo, stop being whiny titty babies that must have your wins NOW, and embrace the process we have going on that will actually lead to long term success, stability, and roster health.
  2. 3 points
    I think Gordon finally came to the realization this is absolutely his last chance to play in the NFL. That he did piss away millions of dollars on drugs and having a good time. One more screw up and he can look up Justin Blackmon and smoke weed with him until he dies. Looks like he's broke too. (though it wouldn't surprise me if LeBron is helping him out- $100K is chump change to James) That could be a motivating factor. I hope Goodell will reinstate him without imposing any further penalties, he's been punished plenty enough already. It will take him weeks to get into playing shape and learn the playbook regardless, and that's already over 1\2 the season. At least he's still alive and has one final chance to fly right, unlike the laundry list of famous people who ODed. Which shows addiction doesn't care how smart, famous, or rich you are.
  3. 3 points
    ghoolie is right a lot of the time. people don't like his smarmy way of communicating is all. i said it would take 4 games until all you pro sashi/jackson moth foamers would turn on them and call for their heads. well in the tavern yesterday it was every other comment. so i was off a week. and no, i love this team. i want them to win. too bad the owner don't know jack. i guess he's just used to hiring toothless meth heads for flyin J.
  4. 2 points
    Like when they made Zeitler the highest paid OG in football? It ain't money, mik... unlike you they just weren't all anything on Wentz or Trubs... just like me... I've only been all-in on two top dogs in the past decade: Luck and Goff. Others here, maybe not you, are all-in on every "hotshot" QB entering the Draft... some before, more after they show promise as a pro.
  5. 2 points
    Good post Paul. The only thing I'll add is that I want no trade downs in next years draft. Get the best PLAYMAKERS available with those early picks. Lately, I have to admit to recently getting down on Hue, but your statement (highlighted) on that makes sense. Your 2 reasons for keeping Hue through 2018 are excellent & , even though it may be painful, we CAN'T deviate from this plan now or we'll be right back where we started. War IS a Fan (a POSITIVE one at that!) & I don't recall any rule that states you have to be a lifelong Ohio resident to back the Browns, so let's stop the bashing, except some here would quit posting if they had to be positive. Mike
  6. 2 points
    Kizer needs to sit and Hogan needs to start as the true #1 QB. The concern over Kizer's psyche is irrelevant. It's obvious that Hogan gives the Browns a much better chance to score points. At this point I'm worried a lot more about the psyche of the team if Kizer continues to play. Players play to win - and the current history of losing needs to be stopped. Otherwise many of the most talented Browns players will walk when they hit free agency and sign with teams that they perceive will actually be competitive - leaving the Browns to plug the holes with rookie draft picks and waiver wire acquisitions. Rinse, repeat.
  7. 1 point
    If I'm gathering everything correctly, the kneejerk reactions that seems to be prevalent at this current point in time is that: 1. We suck 2. Kizer sucks 3. Hue sucks 4. The playcalling sucks 5. This FO sucks One thing that continually gets overlooked by the "everything sucks" crowd is that we are a young team with young, inexperienced players. For the most part, these are 21-25 year olds with little to no experience. 4 of our offensive starters yesterday had never started an NFL game before this year (Williams, Njoku, Kizer, Coleman). The rest of our WR corps has a total of 3 NFL starts to their name... and all three belong to Ricardo Louis. On the defensive side, we had three starters with 0 starts before this year (Coley, Burgess, Peppers) and Nassib, Kindred and Schobert were spot starters with less than 5 starts to their name. Some of you will say youth isn't an excuse...and you're flat out just wrong. This is more than just normal youth, this is a completely fresh team of legitimate children. And it's not even really close, the next youngest team in the NFL is nearly a full year older than us on average, that means there is a 53 year difference in total ages between our roster and the second youngest team. Some of you will say its the coaches fault that these guys aren't ready... and you're right in the sense that it is the coaches job to progress talent, but its also extremely unfair to expect a team of what is more or less rookies to be polished five games into this season. Drive Killing Penalties It's mid second quarter and we're tied. The offense finally starts rolling and we rattle off three big plays in a row - a 10 yard rush from Crowell, followed by a 21 yard pass from Kizer, followed by another 16 yard rush from Crowell. Now we're sitting at 1st and 10 from the NYJ 32 after we covered half the field in 2 minutes. Then, on the very next play: Holding - David Njoku (10 yard penalty) A rookie bumps us back 10 yards. Fine, next play: False Start - Shon Coleman (5 yard penalty) Just as quickly, we went backwards 15 yards in back-to-back plays. Now we're facing a 1st and 25 from midfield instead of a 1st and 10 from the NYJ 32 and its directly because of the mistakes of two rookies (or one rookie and one basically a rookie). We did not score on this drive. Not only did we not score, NYJ took the ball and drove down the field to get their first-half field goal. So this was a net loss of 6 points because of two stupid as hell penalties from two young as hell rookies. Missed Kicks Gonzalez missed two kicks yesterday. We lost by three points. I am admittedly not the best at math, but I believe that if Gonzalez made even 50% of the kicks he missed yesterday, we'd have sent this game into overtime. Oh, and Gonzalez is also a rookie. Weird how that happens, huh? Stupid Decisions Here's the part where Hoorta gets a boner. Kizer's goal line INT - This was an all around poor effort from Kizer. Bad read coupled with a bad throw. The margin of error is so thin in the redzone that you almost never even want to suggest throwing an out breaking route for this very reason. All of the pieces were there for a goal line pick - rookie QB, questionable accuracy, poor read, late throw. Luckily, our defense got the stop on the ensuing drive, however, that's at least three points off the board that we should have had. At the very least, I'd say this is a loss of 3 points. We should have converted a field goal from this distance. Kizer's goal line fumble - Bad pitch, plain and simple. Crowell COULD have corralled it, but most of the blame lies on Kizer for not putting it in the right spot. A lot of people want to Sheet talk the playcall - well, one...it was a kill call by Kizer so he audibled INTO it. Two, it was the correct call by Kizer. It's a minus-1 look- there's one unaccounted for defensive hat playside of the center (4 defenders, 3 blockers), making it an easy run look. You leave the last hat on the line as your free rusher and pitch key - he can't cover both Kizer and Crowell so Kizer reads his angle and makes the appropriate call. This is an easy call and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Execution on the pitch is what killed the play. For those who still want to talk out of their butt and question that call - at the moment of the pitch, there's nothing but open grass for Crowell. This is a loss of 6 points, as its clearly going to be a touchdown. Take away one of these plays....any one of them... and this is a different game. Our inexperience is what led to our demise in this game. Not playcalling, not awful defense, not a bad HC. Youth. And it will happen again, because you can't feign experience.
  8. 1 point
    I could see us going 1-15 again this year and it wouldn’t bother me as long as we see signs of life in certain aspects. Right now, we are seeing those signs - we have a young, fiesty defense that’s been missing quality starters and has still made plays we haven’t seen in a while here. That’s a definite improvement. My benchmark is this part of next season. Say a year from today. By that time, I’d expect us to have: - A QB we are at least mediocre on. If it’s Kizer, he better look a hell of a lot better than he has so far. If it’s not Kizer, I’d expect it to be a top guy in next year’s draft, whoever that may be. - A WR1 that can catch the ball at a baseline 60% clip, get separation and make solid to great plays from time to time. I would also love to nab a mid level, young veteran with reliable hands via FA or trade. - A true FS, allowing Peppers to move back to SS like he did for a lot of Sunday’s game. - A nice, explosive RB with good vision. There’s about three or four eligible for this draft that fit that bill. Doesn’t necessarily have to be a workout warrior or a physical freak, but should be well-rounded enough to perform admirably in both power and zone blocking schemes. Plus vision, plus hands. Doesn’t have to be Barkley, but I wouldn’t be opposed to that today. With five picks in the first two rounds, that list is not outside the realm of reason at all. I would expect us to have new faces at most, if not all of those positions, and that gives Garrett, Peppers, Njoku, our DT’s and our OL a full year of experience. Plus it seasons Treggs, Williams, Higgins and Louis enough to where one or two will be able to hang on be low-level contributors. IF we land talent like that, I’ll be happy with the FO. Then, from there... IF we’re 0-5 or 1-4 next season with that talent, that’s a major concern. That’s when we start looking at coaching replacements. EDIT TO ADD: I have absolutely no problem admitting I’m wrong about Kizer, if it comes to that. I was wrong about Bortles. But I’m damn sure not going to do it 5 games into the season.
  9. 1 point
    So you don't think there any Kickers that started out "not so good", but ended up having a good career? Give the kid a chance.
  10. 1 point
    I'm an old guy & like an aging veteran NFL player, on my downside. I like these young players (like my Grandchildren)...They're on their upside & they have nowhere to look but up & forward. We, as Fans, need to be looking WITH them & supporting them in that upward journey. The plan is right...TO the future, not IN the past. Better days are ahead. Mike
  11. 1 point
    Addiction rarely leaves room for principles and honor. I say that from experience. I've experienced addiction personally with my own addictions (clean 27 years) , those of many friends and with my first long term live in girlfriend (when I was already sober). Gordon has sounded serious about this in the past but wasn't. They say sometimes you can tell when an active addict is lying by watching for their mouth to move I heard a different Josh in this clip, a guy who seemed to own up to the long term addiction and personal responsibility. I wish him the best for sure.
  12. 1 point
    Oh... and I copyrighted #BabySteps, so war will be hearing from my lawyer...
  13. 1 point
    You're right, and we will. But this season was never about winning, and I'll keep saying that until the day that I die.
  14. 1 point
    I agree the record is the measuring stick. Some times the record doesnt tell the whole story and can be misleading. The Bengals year after year have a winning regular season record good enough to make post season where they come back to earth and $hit the bed. They are perennial frauds. For this team and from my observations, the Browns a couple of plays away from being 3 - 2 instead of 0 - 5. I do not believe that Hue is getting everything out of what he has to work with. I think that you send a message to the team and fire Hue if he loses the next game.
  15. 1 point
    Hogan will now be game planned. Hold your horses.
  16. 1 point
    It's almost as if he's playing like a rookie on a bad team with no WRs.
  17. 1 point
    I hear what you're saying, but for me it's always simple...... We are what our record says we are. 0-5 on the season, 1-20 under Hue and 5-39 since that Thursday night game where we demolished the Bungles and stood in 1st place...... A team that only wins 5 out of 44 games, is a laughing stock. Now, they can still turn it around by winning 5 or 6 of the next 11 which would leave a much different taste in our mouths during the off season, but can a team that has only won 5 games since November 6 2014 suddenly match that total in 11 games? I fear 0-16 is much more attainable.
  18. 1 point
    He nailed Derek Carr too. Hogan has the "it" quality. He also has limitations, inexperience and propensity for untimely mistakes. But that's a lot better than the guy who's starting now. If we truly want to win games right now, then Hogan is the guy. Z
  19. 1 point
    DeShone Kizer or Kevin Hogan? Hue Jackson will decide by Wednesday http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/10/deshone_kizer_kevin_hogan_hue.html Shared from my Google feed
  20. 1 point
    To develop him to play third string, obviously
  21. 1 point
    The only problem I have with War's logic is that he didn't even watch the Browns/Jets game. Therefore, how does he have the right to demand to the whole board that we blindly let Hue and "The plan" have a few more years. When in fact, what people like Mud and myself were doing were simply analyzing some of the questionable coaching calls Hue has made such as blowing timeouts, going for that simple run on 4th down when we were down by 3, and what really got me was how he wouldn't hold himself accountable at all, he believed his plays and calling were perfect, and it's only the execution. How in the hell is a guy who didn't even watch the game going to tell me that I can't analyze it or question it. That's simply part of being a fan. To blindly follow will get you nowhere. So, wars logic is that we should shut up, and Blindly accept and follow everything Hue and Sashi do when they won't even take the accountability to tell us that their "plan" is behind schedule. I've heard Jimmy had a closed door meeting with all of the front office and Hue to tell them to "Get their Sheet together" and start to progress. What really bothers me, is that I feel right now the goal isn't to win, and isn't that the ultimate goal in football? to win? instead it's "win later". Well fine, we can lose out the rest of the season and get the first pick. But if Kizer struggles this year (which he will), and Hue says next year "D'arnold is my guy!, he's starting", i'm going to flip, because we spent that time building Kizer, building Kessler, and all for nothing if we take another QB first. The worst part about Hue is that he seems uncertain at times and that really gets me. Like calling out the field goal team, wasting a timeout, then going for it on fourth and missing it because he said, "the players said they got me". Coach's make mistakes and I get that, but he better stop with the bad clock management. Because if he goes 1-15 again, there will of been no team in history that put up with that much losing from one coach for that long. All because of Sashi's experiment, and the theory that we had to get much much worse to get better. I'm proud of our D and garrett looks great, but war, please don't talk unless you watch the games. That's what a real fan does.
  22. 1 point
  23. 1 point
    I like Hogan because he's smarter than Kizer. I like Hogan because he throws the football better than Kizer. I like Hogan better because he reads a defense better. Hogan is better under center, he's better at play action fakes. Hogan is faster than Kizer. He is a more accurate passer. Hogan has bigger hands than Kizer. Hogan's playbook capacity(smarter) is much larger than Kizer's playbook capacity. Hogan was a four year starter with zero red flags. Hogan is a better runner with the ball. Hogan slides better than Kizer. Hogan was give 3 plays to take into the huddle with him, he called his own protections, Hogan is like an OC on the field. Hogan lost his father already to cancer and has persevered through adversity in his life. Hogan has an above average arm, whether you measure that in arm strength or whatever you use to gauge his arm talent... he no slouch. I'm not trying to be a finger about it, I'm merely defending my position. I'll give Kizer credit though- he's the youngest QB in the league and he's an inch taller than Hogan.
  24. 1 point
    This needs repeating. ^^^^ Hue said as much during preseason- did he change his mind? He shot his rep as a QB whisperer with RG III and Kessler. All the other rookie QBs sat for a spell. It's SO obvious Kizer needs to do the same. You think vets like Kirksey don't realize Kizer is stinking up the place?
  25. 1 point
    Fair enough. This board just needs to be shut down for 24 hours after losses.
  26. 1 point
    Yeah. I do think there’s something to that.
  27. 1 point
    No. My dad’s from Cleveland. Mentor High grad. Parents both went to school in Painesville. And I joined this board in 2015, well after Manziel had arrived on the scene. It’s just d bone’s fallback when he has nothing else.
  28. 1 point
    I’m surprised half of these guys were able to take Ghoolie’s Sock out of their hand long enough to type a response.
  29. 1 point
    Yep-they hit the FG so by Dr. G's logic this makes 2 turnover Trubisky a shitty pick and a bust.
  30. 1 point
    Dude's first TD is a dead to rights INT dropped by the DB and tipped backwards. Beyond that he's looked pretty rookie. Go on... you were saying?
  31. 1 point
    And Dr. G's big rookie pick just threw a pick against Minn with 2:20 to go. Shall we call him 2 turnover Trubiski?
  32. 1 point
    No no, i know exactly what i saw...u dont. Ill give you that you know some stuff about some other things, but you have "zero" eye for front 7 mechanics. On a bad ankle garrett ghosted undrneath the guard and center and steamrolled mccown, made them look silly..like they didnt oniw the ball gad been hiked yet. Ob the 2nd sack garett ripped around the corner but because of that ankle he couldnt lean in like he was during preseason..tried to go around the corner more or less completely vertical. So his initial rush didnt go anywhere but when mccown tried to step up and spill out garrett immediately spun back to the inside and lunged at mccown from behind. Its not the most imoressive sack ever but mccown didnt run into him and for a guy with a clearly bum ankle its a heck of a hustle play. Dont argue with me about how the sacks transpired. The latger point id like to make to u is why cant u just say man, that kid showed some heart. He showed more heart in ~10 snaps then our other DE's gave in 4-5 games. Im not calling this kid the answer to our prayers, he may have a decent game here or there but flame out...time will tell. i just cant understand why you cant just say "meh, not bad kid". All the things you claimed about this kids heart and work ethic, which we are all dubious on in the first place....at least for one game has been proven null. So just own it for one game, just say "maybe i was wrong about the kid but we'll see, time will tell". Thats a fair statement. I stead ur trying to make Sheet up because it appears you want garrett to be a failure, and that i cant understand even if u are just trolling. Good trolling needs to have competent foundation from which to launch trolls. If the kid keeps playing alright and figuring out ways to be productive even while not at 100%.....than ur trolls come off as something else.
  33. 1 point
  34. 1 point
    Glad we don't have a pansy like JJ Watt either. He's a waste of a roster spot.... always injured. What a pussy
  35. 1 point
    More cowpoop excuses... Call us when you pen something of note or interest...
  36. 1 point
    Don't forget, a homeless guy drafted Manziel.
  37. 1 point
    Camp Watson was about 2 guys deep all offseason and now everyone is his biggest fan. Lol.
  38. 1 point
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but after Hogan lead the Browns to their first touchdown, the score was 7-3 Browns, right? They still lost... with Hogan in for the rest of the game. Now perhaps he gets more points in the first half, and that's a valid point, but the fact remains Hogan got the lead, played the rest of the game, and still lost. He also threw yet another stupid interception right after his initial touchdown drive that resulted in unbelievable field position for the Jets, like he did vs the Ravens. Both resulted in touchdowns for the other team, negating his touchdown drives. I have no doubt that Hogan gives the Browns a better chance to win, but let's cool it with the "HE'S THE BROWNS SAVIOR" talk just yet.
  39. 1 point
    Well...if we arent gonna try to win.....then play Peppers in a role that he can develop and/or succeed......get Njoku on the field and start throwing him the ball.....work on developing a run attack and stop trying to force Kizer to be Tom Brady or the comeback kid......cause they are stunting these kids development by forcing them into bad bad situations....every week.....its obvious they dont even know what their objectives are right now......
  40. 1 point
    not sure this will load T, NOPE.. but, Your totally correct on the taping T. And that's the real problem with the High sprain. I preferred the tape to be somewhat snug for support but when swelling continues the pain to nerve tissue is ridiculous.So to answer your question. Your right on the icing it.. till ya play on it..as you said. High or low the pain & swelling is no differences but the length of time of healing High is weeks longer. Could be 2, Could be extra 4. Myles 2nd sack came in 2qrt. was his last play till 4th qrt. which I can only assume Myles was re-taped at halftime? or not & done..The correct Myles plan imo would have been 1st half only knowing not to risk it after Half due to swelling tightness. Telling that to a -4 game loss Myles (with 2 sacks smelling the trifecta) might have been a different story in a winnable game when Naz went down? EDIT-- Clev. your way off base on your hater Ogbah..The Kat has stayed pretty much injury free every down in 20 NFL Games leading us in OL tackles..That's not a guy you bundle in a trade anywhere..It's Naz & Orchard job to beat Ogbah off his position..The competition level at team DE position is what will make this team better.Push equals close the gap for your playing time at position. And right now that same problem is all over on both sides of the ball in key positions..
  41. 1 point
    Wait, you mean football is a team sport and that individual performances are almost equally as reliant on the teammates surrounding you? Get this new age analytic phooey out of here
  42. 1 point
    Im not adverse to giving hogan a shotbut can we please not act as if he's some hidden gem?
  43. 1 point
    He's having the struggles a rookie QB, with no vet presence, is going to have. As long as we don't "break" him, we should continue to get him experience. We aren't playing for anything this year anyway. Unless they truly believe Hogan is the future, Kizer should continue to start.
  44. 1 point
    I don’t think he has it right in terms of Hogan being a franchise guy but he’s certainly shown that he knows this offense enough to move the chains. Its no different than starting a guy like McCown.
  45. 1 point
    Yeah unfortunately I don’t know if the Browns know what to do with those high value picks. It is like they go on a date with a 10, get scared, and by the end of the night they just got to hold a door open for her. Squandered.
  46. 1 point
    Started to form a witty, defensive comeback, but couldn't come up with a damn thing.
  47. 1 point
    Uhm, TD that's not true. Hogan put up the only 10 points that we scored on the Ravens. Actually Hogan scored ALL of the points that we got in both game 2 and game 4.
  48. 1 point
    same thing as you liberals mocking Jesus just to get Christians po'd. Just an asswhole move. but mock Mohammed? hell no, per you liberals.
  49. 0 points
    At roughly 7 am today, my Mom passed away in Youngstown. She battled COPD, and brain and bone cancer thrown in to make the end of her days even more fun. Her and my Dad were Browns fans back to the days of PB and Otto. I remember the young Monte Clark, Ray Renfro, JB, Warfield, Fiss, Gain, Wooten and a ton of old, great Browns. During the summer of 62, my Dad faced a long layoff from US Steel, so we went to Hiram at least 3 days a week to watch the Browns practice. The picture I attached is me and the greatest that ever lived. This was I believe, 1964. Jim's last hurrah. Defensive back Paul Warfield had only just begun to convince Blanton Collier to let him play receiver. That was the team I loved. That was the team my Mom loved. As ill as she was, she found a way to get up this past week for the Jet's Game, she was motivated and awake enough to watch her Brownies, cuss at Hue, and convince me that one day they would be winners again. I think about her, bones contorted from arthritis, and aching from cancer' her consciousness gradually being sapped from her by a brain mass, Lack of breath from COPD, unable to swallow or defecate under control, refusing the soothe of morphine, so she could stay with us, and watch football,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The Browns. Kizer had a migrane, did he? Garrett hurt his toe? Hue is trying. The FO is doing their best. "Ghoolie, you are a bully, you are too mean and relentless on these heroes." Then, on top of this, ... truly, this team, this sport, this league, and the idiots supporting them, cause it to it dawns on me...........the Browns team and culture that I am passionate about is dead. I hope you guys get your win. Enjoy you team. I....................................am done.
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