ok, updated for you guys. (I didn't actually change it)
When you going to figure out college stats mean jack shit in the NFL? Doubtless Matt Leinart and Erik Crouch's college stats were damn impressive too. I'm not saying Manziel won't turn out to be the real deal- just that it isn't a stone cold certainty that he will.
Youre right, I stopped actually contributing here awhile ago. I've admitted that.
It's easy to take that defensive stance, when the overwhelming majority of your regular posters are bitter old dudes.
I've said repeatedly I like both Hoyer and Manziel, but am not a cynical old wind bag who looks to tear down players on the football team I follow to meet my own sad, pathetic ego.
It's apparent you support people like this, especially Hoorta, who is biased and a moderator. You could learn a thing or two from the other place, and I'm biting my tongue saying that because even though we disagree over there, there's real actual football discussion, and not the same people controlling the discussion with irrelevant shit.
Cheers, Z, I'll miss ya.
Biased? Or having an opinion different than yours? And I'm certainly not bitter- cynical maybe, after seeing the Browns uninterrupted suckage for a couple of decades. Yup, 95% of the posters who don't agree with you are just "dumb". Like Tour (who has a better memory that me) pointed out- you blew your draft prognostication big time. OTOH my fave (Watkins) got drafted exactly where I said he would be- just not by the Browns. Yeah, I don't know shit about football compared to you Mike. FACT: I didn't like the Manziel pick- and I'm not going to apologize over it, but he's part of the Browns now. BTW, I was far from alone in that stance. Did I like his recent off field Facebook, Instagram stuff? Hell no, but Haslam & Farmer didn't either. Maybe you can't comprehend that I can pull for a player on the field, and not care about his lifestyle choices off it very much. If I was biased and bitter as a Mod, you really think I wouldn't have told the legion of Texas Johnny lovers to go get lost & start their own forum?
If you go to Vikings boards and Jaguars boards you do not see anybody who is saying "Well I think Chad Henne should be the future, Bortles might be a bust" or "Matt Cassell is our guy, sure he's been cut a few times, but I like what I saw". Nope. None. You won't even see any "Henne vs Bortles" threads or likewise for the Vikings.
Those fan bases are very excited for their Rookies, its all about "Should Teddy start game 1 or do you want him to sit and get comfortable until mid season?"
Yet on here with some of you it is if Brian Hoyer is the future and Manziel is a wasted pick. Someone is going to have to explain to me why we don't have the same understanding that these QBs were drafted to be the future, and why there is not the excitement about Manziel on here as there is in Minnesota and Jacksonville?
Why is it that Hoyer, on par with Henne and Cassell, is considered by some to be the QB that the Browns need and some would prefer him than Manziel long term?
Like I said Hoyer is a Cleveland guy- that's why he's getting the love. Trust me if he was from California or Florida, it would be a lot different. You're reading into it if you think I, or anyone else is certain Hoyer is the long term answer. We'd probably like him to play the first three games, give Johnny a chance to sit and learn, and see how that turns out. If he sucks, bring on Manziel. As Gip said, there were no tears shed when Frye and Quinn got sent packing.
Yes, Manziel was drafted at #22 to be the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. So were Brady Quinn and Brandon Weeden. There's the difference- the guys who saw Johnny play in college think he's a can't miss HOFer. I said once as an Ohio State fan, I thought that about Dan Wilkinson. None of us are saying we don't think Manziel can't be very good, (or great)- eventually. It's just we happen to think the utter impossibility he might bust can't be ruled out.