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[Mike H]

http://bleacherrepor...rent-richardson

There's no crying in football.

[Frenchie]

I read the article and it makes sense. I also watched a few of the Browns games over the weekend (from last season). It's amazing how little the role of the running back is in the success or lack of success of the offense. I also think we would be wise to give Colt another year. I forgot how many great passes were dropped (by all our receivers - especially Little)in critical situations. I also forgot that we don't run screen plays - and those that we do are poorly designed.

[hoorta]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1128889-nfl-draft-2012-why-the-cleveland-browns-should-pass-on-trent-richardson

There's no crying in football.

You're preaching to the Choir Mike. However- if the Browns can't trade out of the pick (likely) BPA is Richardson. Claiborn? Jets & Eagles did gangbusters with two stud corners- oh they didn't?

[calfoxwc]

NO.

When the Browns lost Hillis, the offense went up in smoke. The defense just sat on short routes, knowing Colt

had to throw fast before he got slammed from whoever came off the right tackle side, and that they didn't have to worry

about the run. Punt.

It's Cleveland football. You have to be able to run when the weather turns bad.

[Tour2ma]

There's no crying in football.

Preempting a reply from Po-G?

I think finding a trade down partner is problematic. At #4 it'd be Richardson, Blackmon or Claiborne.

But... if the Vik's either trade down or pass on Kalil all hell will break loose...

Nice companion article...

bleacherreport.com/why-the-browns-should-trade-down-if-the-vikings-pass-on-kalil

[baybrownsfan]

NO.

When the Browns lost Hillis, the offense went up in smoke. The defense just sat on short routes, knowing Colt

had to throw fast before he got slammed from whoever came off the right tackle side, and that they didn't have to worry

about the run. Punt.

It's Cleveland football. You have to be able to run when the weather turns bad.

Because the New England weather is so much better that is why they run so much? Oh wait, they have a good QB and throw the fucking ball.

[bringbackbrownie2]

Because the New England weather is so much better that is why they run so much? Oh wait, they have a good QB and throw the fucking ball.

They actually run the ball more than you would think. The difference is they have like 3 or 4 RBs that they rotate in instead of having one stud in on every play. No team has success without running the ball - and teams that play in cold weather have to be able to run the ball effectively to win games. While some teams rely on the run to set up play action, the teams with stud QBs seem to do the exact opposite and pass to open up easy running lanes. Either way, running the ball is still an important part of the game.

[PoeticG]

[Harry Buffalo]

They actually run the ball more than you would think. The difference is they have like 3 or 4 RBs that they rotate in instead of having one stud in on every play. No team has success without running the ball - and teams that play in cold weather have to be able to run the ball effectively to win games. While some teams rely on the run to set up play action, the teams with stud QBs seem to do the exact opposite and pass to open up easy running lanes. Either way, running the ball is still an important part of the game.

Ya they run alot... when they are within 10 yards of a TD. Open field, long way to go, they pass it 80% of the time.

[Mike H]

Tour and I were wrong!

[calfoxwc]

Because the New England weather is so much better that is why they run so much? Oh wait, they have a good QB and throw the fucking ball.
baybrownsfan
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Archie Manning was a great qb. But he got his arse beaten into the turf many times,
and struggled with a bad offense cast around him. Tom Brady is only "great" because
he has bookend tackles, a buttkicking OLG, and some wr's to add to the mix.

But the Pats CAN RUN when they need to. New England throws a lot because they throw a lot to their TE, Gronk.

Rob Gronkowski #87 Tight End New England Patriots Team Home
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(10th pick) by the New England Patriots

AND, they have bookend tackles. Here is their RIGHT TACKLE DRAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND.
Now, ask yourself - why does the great Tom Brady, need a solid LEFT TACKLE, and FIRST ROUND RIGHT TACKLE?

Nate Solder #77 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
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Born: Apr 12, 1988 - Denver, CO
College: Colorado
Draft: 2011 - 1st round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

Here is their long standing veteran LEFT TACKLE

Matt Light #72 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
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Born: Jun 23, 1978 - Greenville, OH
College: Purdue
Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

They just helped "the great" Tom Brady with a rb, too. Gee why bother, eh?

Stevan Ridley #22 Running Back New England Patriots Team Home
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Born: Jan 27, 1989 - Natchez, MS
College: LSU
Draft: 2011 - 3rd round (9th pick) by the New England Patriots

But, WAIT, there's more! They drafted this solid LOG in 05.

Logan Mankins #70 Guard New England Patriots Team Home
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Born: Mar 10, 1982 - Catheys Valley, CA
College: Fresno State
Draft: 2005 - 1st round (32nd pick) by the New England Patriots

So, you see, Bay, you can drop the F word, but it doesn't make you make sense. The Browns are missing
a RT. And a 3 down rb. And, they need another bigtime wr. Tom Brady would quit football, he's such a pouty
little sissy, if he had been with the Browns.

[Taco918]

Because the New England weather is so much better that is why they run so much? Oh wait, they have a good QB and throw the fucking ball.
baybrownsfan
***********************************
Archie Manning was a great qb. But he got his arse beaten into the turf many times,
and struggled with a bad offense cast around him. Tom Brady is only "great" because
he has bookend tackles, a buttkicking OLG, and some wr's to add to the mix.

But the Pats CAN RUN when they need to. New England throws a lot because they throw a lot to their TE, Gronk.

Rob Gronkowski #87 Tight End New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-6 Weight: 265
Born: May 14, 1989 - Williamsville, NY
College: Arizona
Draft: 2010 - 2nd round
(10th pick) by the New England Patriots

AND, they have bookend tackles. Here is their RIGHT TACKLE DRAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND.
Now, ask yourself - why does the great Tom Brady, need a solid LEFT TACKLE, and FIRST ROUND RIGHT TACKLE?

Nate Solder #77 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-8 Weight: 319
Born: Apr 12, 1988 - Denver, CO
College: Colorado
Draft: 2011 - 1st round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

Here is their long standing veteran LEFT TACKLE

Matt Light #72 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-4 Weight: 305
Born: Jun 23, 1978 - Greenville, OH
College: Purdue
Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

They just helped "the great" Tom Brady with a rb, too. Gee why bother, eh?

Stevan Ridley #22 Running Back New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 5-11 Weight: 225
Born: Jan 27, 1989 - Natchez, MS
College: LSU
Draft: 2011 - 3rd round (9th pick) by the New England Patriots

But, WAIT, there's more! They drafted this solid LOG in 05.

Logan Mankins #70 Guard New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-4 Weight: 310
Born: Mar 10, 1982 - Catheys Valley, CA
College: Fresno State
Draft: 2005 - 1st round (32nd pick) by the New England Patriots

So, you see, Bay, you can drop the F word, but it doesn't make you make sense. The Browns are missing
a RT. And a 3 down rb. And, they need another bigtime wr. Tom Brady would quit football, he's such a pouty
little sissy, if he had been with the Browns.

Solder was brought in to replace Light when he retires, which many believe will occur this off season. He wasn't brought in to be their future RT.

[BrownIndian]

Because the New England weather is so much better that is why they run so much? Oh wait, they have a good QB and throw the fucking ball.
baybrownsfan
***********************************
Archie Manning was a great qb. But he got his arse beaten into the turf many times,
and struggled with a bad offense cast around him. Tom Brady is only "great" because
he has bookend tackles, a buttkicking OLG, and some wr's to add to the mix.

But the Pats CAN RUN when they need to. New England throws a lot because they throw a lot to their TE, Gronk.

Rob Gronkowski #87 Tight End New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-6 Weight: 265
Born: May 14, 1989 - Williamsville, NY
College: Arizona
Draft: 2010 - 2nd round
(10th pick) by the New England Patriots

AND, they have bookend tackles. Here is their RIGHT TACKLE DRAFTED IN THE FIRST ROUND.
Now, ask yourself - why does the great Tom Brady, need a solid LEFT TACKLE, and FIRST ROUND RIGHT TACKLE?

Nate Solder #77 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-8 Weight: 319
Born: Apr 12, 1988 - Denver, CO
College: Colorado
Draft: 2011 - 1st round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

Here is their long standing veteran LEFT TACKLE

Matt Light #72 Tackle New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-4 Weight: 305
Born: Jun 23, 1978 - Greenville, OH
College: Purdue
Draft: 2001 - 2nd round (17th pick) by the New England Patriots

They just helped "the great" Tom Brady with a rb, too. Gee why bother, eh?

Stevan Ridley #22 Running Back New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 5-11 Weight: 225
Born: Jan 27, 1989 - Natchez, MS
College: LSU
Draft: 2011 - 3rd round (9th pick) by the New England Patriots

But, WAIT, there's more! They drafted this solid LOG in 05.

Logan Mankins #70 Guard New England Patriots Team Home
NewsTeam ReportBlogsScores & ScheduleStatsRosterDepth ChartTransactionsPhotosHeight: 6-4 Weight: 310
Born: Mar 10, 1982 - Catheys Valley, CA
College: Fresno State
Draft: 2005 - 1st round (32nd pick) by the New England Patriots

So, you see, Bay, you can drop the F word, but it doesn't make you make sense. The Browns are missing
a RT. And a 3 down rb. And, they need another bigtime wr. Tom Brady would quit football, he's such a pouty
little sissy, if he had been with the Browns.

Why would brady quit football if he played for the browns? Infact the brown would be better of with TOM BRaDY than COLT MCCoy.

Anyone in the forum who beleives tom bradys greatness has nothing to do with his arm strength vision and accuracy ?

[jrb12711]

the bottom line is until we have a franchise QB it doesn't matter who we draft. Assuming the plan is to stay with Colt and draft BPA on offense, it's Richardson by far. Either guy will be a great help for the offense though, and I see where you're coming from Mike about RB's not having to be top picks or even close. BUT, the exact same thing can be said about WR too. The common denominator on all super bowl caliber teams is a franchise QB who can make lower round talents shine around him, and I really don't see how anyone can think we have one. But let's not argue that here, just my 2 cents.

[bringbackbrownie2]

Ya they run alot... when they are within 10 yards of a TD. Open field, long way to go, they pass it 80% of the time.

I am not stating that RB is more important than the QB position. I'm just saying that the importance of the RB position is not dead like so many people want to believe. The Patriots ran the ball 438 times last year and threw the ball 612 times. That is, they threw the ball 58% of the time and ran the ball 42% of the time. No where near the 80% you proclaim it to be..

[Harry Buffalo]

I am not stating that RB is more important than the QB position. I'm just saying that the importance of the RB position is not dead like so many people want to believe. The Patriots ran the ball 438 times last year and threw the ball 612 times. That is, they threw the ball 58% of the time and ran the ball 42% of the time. No where near the 80% you proclaim it to be..

And what part of the field were they one. Brady knocks the ball into the redzone and then they play it safe and smash the ball with their 3rd and 4th tier RB's for 3 yards a carry. BJGE has what 12 TD on the season but only 650 yards? A 3.5 yards per carry isn't great.

I'm not saying RB is more important either what I am saying is that their RB by committee is shitty and they only succeed because Brady put's them in a place (literally he puts them within the 20 yard line) so that they can be as good as they are.

[Tour2ma]

Tour and I were wrong!

Agree... LOL...

Well played, Po-G, well played... hats off to you...