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#1 Mike H

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:18 PM

I'm writing an article right now about why Trent Richardson will not/should not be the Browns pick.

Here's some of the data I put together for part of my argument. Take some time to look it over and let me know what this means to you :)

Running backs who played for the SB winning team over the past 10 seasons:

2011- NYG- Ahmad Bradshaw, yards- 659, drafted 7TH ROUND (250 overall)
Brandon Jacobs, yards- 571, drafted 4TH ROUND (110 overall)

2010- GB- Brandon Jackson, yards- 703, drafted- 2ND ROUND (63 overall)

2009- NO- Mike Bell, yards- 654, UNDRAFTED
Pierre Thomas, yards- 793, UNDRAFTED
Reggie Bush, yards- 390, drafted 1ST ROUND, (#2 OVERALL)

2008- Shittsburgh- Willie Parker, yards- 791, UNDRAFTED
Mewelde Moore, yards- 588, drafted- 4TH ROUND (119)

2007- NYG- Brandon Jacobs, yards- 571, drafted 4TH ROUND (110 overall)
Derrick Ward, yards- 602, drafted 7TH ROUND (235 overall)
Reuben Droughns, yards- 275, drafted- 3RD ROUND (81 overall)
Ahmad Bradshaw, yards- 659, drafted 7TH ROUND (250 overall)

2006- Indy- Joseph Addai, yards- 1081, drafted- 1ST ROUND (30 overall)
Dominic Rhodes, yards- 641, UNDRAFTED

2005- Shittsburgh- Willie Parker, yards- 1202, UNDRAFTED
Jerome Bettis, yards- 368, drafted- 1ST ROUND (10 overall)

2004- NE- Corey Dillon, yards- 1635, drafted- 2ND ROUND (43 overall)
Kevin Faulk, yards- 255, drafted- 2ND ROUND (46 overall)

2003- NE- Antowain Smith, yards- 642, drafted- 1ST ROUND (23 overall)
Kevin Faulk, yards- 255, drafted- 2ND ROUND (46 overall)

2002- TB- Michael Pittman, yards- 718, drafted- 4TH ROUND (95 overall)
Mike Alstott, yards- 548, drafted 2ND ROUND (35 overall)
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:21 PM

Good Stuff...I mentioned Joseph Addai on another forum.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:52 PM

This is true but we need players who can make an immediate impact. TR is the best back back far and will have a big impact on this team especially since we have real #1 rb. TR or Blackmon.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:55 PM

I agree with you 100% with those stats that none of those teams had elite runners and won the super bowl. but they all had top 5QBs we don't...there are other ways to win...it's just finding the right variables...and throwing the ball for a quick 80 yard score is a lot less messy then pounding the ball on the ground 10 times to the goal line(edited because i was on xanax at the time)...but if you can get a great running attack...you can win. I think the 49ers will prove that next year. They have a mediocre passin game but have a great running game and it really wore teams down. I think you can win if you have a great running game and a great trio of pass defense, corner, safety, speed rusher.

if we get Trent, Mercilus, Wright, Mcnutt it changes the dynamic of our team...as well as infuses a massive amount of momentum for the browns fan base to help ticket sales...we need to fill seats.

Claiborne, Tannehill, Adams, Streter won't fill seats and won't point us in the right direction

but you are absolutely correct none of those teams had an elite running attack when they won the super bowl...more importantly though besides having amazing QBs they had the best coaches.

I honestly think the browns are trying to mimick the 2000 ravens...so so passing attack awesome running game awesome defense...and guess what they won the super bowl...and probably could be considered one of the top 3 teams of ALL time.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:56 PM

How can you say that after reading the stats?

Running backs can still put up 1,000 yards if they aren't picked in the top 10.

Even then, it doesn't even mean the team will win the SB.

The risk v reward doesn't add up.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:12 PM

How can you say that after reading the stats?

Running backs can still put up 1,000 yards if they aren't picked in the top 10.

The risk v reward doesn't add up.


I understand where you are coming from and I don't want Richardson with the 4th pick either. But, you should also include statistics proving why the Browns should pick another position. For example, I could list the past 10 QBs to win a Super Bowl which would show that the Browns probably need another QB. However, that doesn't mean that I want Tannehill at number 4..
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:19 PM

I understand where you are coming from and I don't want Richardson with the 4th pick either. But, you should also include statistics proving why the Browns should pick another position. For example, I could list the past 10 QBs to win a Super Bowl which would show that the Browns probably need another QB. However, that doesn't mean that I want Tannehill at number 4..

Rog on that. I'm working on several other arguments for the article.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 04:21 PM

I agree with you 100% with those stats that none of those teams had elite runners and won the super bowl. but they all had top 5QBs we don't...there are other ways to win...it's just finding the right variables...and throwing the ball for a score is a lot quicker and easier then passing...but if you can get a great running attack...you can win. I think the 49ers will prove that next year. They have a mediocre passin game but have a great running game and it really wore teams down. I think you can win if you have a great running game and a great trio of pass defense, corner, safety, speed rusher.

if we get Trent, Mercilus, Wright, Mcnutt it changes the dynamic of our team...as well as infuses a massive amount of momentum for the browns fan base to help ticket sales...we need to fill seats.

Claiborne, Tannehill, Adams, Streter won't fill seats and won't point us in the right direction

but you are absolutely correct none of those teams had an elite running attack when they won the super bowl...more importantly though besides having amazing QBs they had the best coaches.

I honestly think the browns are trying to mimick the 2000 ravens...so so passing attack awesome running game awesome defense...and guess what they won the super bowl...and probably could be considered one of the top 3 teams of ALL time.

Good points, however, I don't see how you can say that the Browns are trying to imitate the 2000 Ravens?

They are running a system reliant on the pass and currently (they haven't drafted TR yet, in case everyone forgot) do not have an elite RB on the roster.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:42 PM

H&H have stated numerous times that they want to concentrate on the running attack...and that they believe there are other ways to win. You can say the same thing about not drafting WR till the late round WRs they are out there and they Garcon, Colston, Driver, or Housh. So, don't pick any early WR cause late round WR are a dime a dozen as well. Look we need a great running back, its that simple...there are 6 that could help us Wilson, Richardson, Turbin, Pead, Piarce, Rainey (replace cribbs) I will guarantee only a few will still be playing when we win the superbowl in 2015 and those will be Pierce and Boldin then maybe Wilson and Miller. Trent will not be a bust but he will not take us to the superbowl.

rookie of the year running back next year?

Mikel Leshoure and Detroit makes it to the super bowl...you can take that to the bank

WELL I GUESS YOU CAN NOW TAKE IT TO THE PRISON CELL.

I guess this is why the lions were so interested in Trent during his pro days...it all makes sense now...they need a running back BAD
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:55 PM

You got me thinking a bit more about rb impact.

I've listed the top rb (yardage) for the past 10 seasons.

6 of those years the team with the leagues best rb went to the playoffs.

Only 2 teams had a sub .500 winning percentage with the leagues top rb. (2011-Jax 2010 Houston)

2011 Maurice Jones-Drew (26) 1,606 JAX 2nd round
2010 Arian Foster (24) 1,616 HOU undrafted fa
2009 Chris Johnson (24) 2,006 TEN 1st round
2008 Adrian Peterson (23) 1,760 MIN 1st round
2007 LaDainian Tomlinson (28) 1,474 SDG 1st round
2006 LaDainian Tomlinson (27) 1,815 SDG
2005 Shaun Alexander (28) 1,880 SEA 1st round
2004 Curtis Martin+ (31) 1,697 NYJ 3rd round
2003 Jamal Lewis (24) 2,066 BAL 1st round
2002 Ricky Williams (25) 1,853 MIA 1st round

Looking at it from this perspective one could surmise that elite rb's do make a difference in helping their teams to divisional championships and/or the playoffs

Im certainly not saying that TR or any other rb drafted this year will rise to the top and if any of them are a bona fide 1st round pick.

Personnaly I like Blackmon at number 4
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:06 PM

and throwing the ball for a score is a lot quicker and easier then passing...



wha wha what????????

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:08 PM

You got me thinking a bit more about rb impact.

I've listed the top rb (yardage) for the past 10 seasons.

6 of those years the team with the leagues best rb went to the playoffs.

Only 2 teams had a sub .500 winning percentage with the leagues top rb. (2011-Jax 2010 Houston)

2011 Maurice Jones-Drew (26) 1,606 JAX
2010 Arian Foster (24) 1,616 HOU
2009 Chris Johnson (24) 2,006 TEN
2008 Adrian Peterson (23) 1,760 MIN
2007 LaDainian Tomlinson (28) 1,474 SDG
2006 LaDainian Tomlinson (27) 1,815 SDG
2005 Shaun Alexander (28) 1,880 SEA
2004 Curtis Martin+ (31) 1,697 NYJ
2003 Jamal Lewis (24) 2,066 BAL
2002 Ricky Williams (25) 1,853 MIA

Looking at it from this perspective one could surmise that elite rb's do make a difference in helping their teams to divisional championships and/or the playoffs

Im certainly not saying that TR or any other rb drafted this year will rise to the top and if any of them are a bona fide 1st round pick.

Personnaly I like Blackmon at number 4



but the argument is about where in the draft were these running backs picked??

if we stay at #4 i'd take claiborn or blackmon before i'd take richardson. just my opinion.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:14 PM

Exactly what Mik said above ^
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:25 PM

Exactly what Mik said above ^

check my edit
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:37 PM

I'm writing an article right now about why Trent Richardson will not/should not be the Browns pick.

Here's some of the data I put together for part of my argument. Take some time to look it over and let me know what this means to you :)

Running backs who played for the SB winning team over the past 10 seasons:

2011- NYG- Ahmad Bradshaw, yards- 659, drafted 7TH ROUND (250 overall)
Brandon Jacobs, yards- 571, drafted 4TH ROUND (110 overall)

2010- GB- Brandon Jackson, yards- 703, drafted- 2ND ROUND (63 overall)

2009- NO- Mike Bell, yards- 654, UNDRAFTED
Pierre Thomas, yards- 793, UNDRAFTED
Reggie Bush, yards- 390, drafted 1ST ROUND, (#2 OVERALL)

2008- Shittsburgh- Willie Parker, yards- 791, UNDRAFTED
Mewelde Moore, yards- 588, drafted- 4TH ROUND (119)

2007- NYG- Brandon Jacobs, yards- 571, drafted 4TH ROUND (110 overall)
Derrick Ward, yards- 602, drafted 7TH ROUND (235 overall)
Reuben Droughns, yards- 275, drafted- 3RD ROUND (81 overall)
Ahmad Bradshaw, yards- 659, drafted 7TH ROUND (250 overall)

2006- Indy- Joseph Addai, yards- 1081, drafted- 1ST ROUND (30 overall)
Dominic Rhodes, yards- 641, UNDRAFTED

2005- Shittsburgh- Willie Parker, yards- 1202, UNDRAFTED
Jerome Bettis, yards- 368, drafted- 1ST ROUND (10 overall)

2004- NE- Corey Dillon, yards- 1635, drafted- 2ND ROUND (43 overall)
Kevin Faulk, yards- 255, drafted- 2ND ROUND (46 overall)

2003- NE- Antowain Smith, yards- 642, drafted- 1ST ROUND (23 overall)
Kevin Faulk, yards- 255, drafted- 2ND ROUND (46 overall)

2002- TB- Michael Pittman, yards- 718, drafted- 4TH ROUND (95 overall)
Mike Alstott, yards- 548, drafted 2ND ROUND (35 overall)



This may just be a matter of coincidence. You could perhaps do this same thing for WRs and come up with a similar pattern. Here is the list of WR that have been taken in the top 10 of the draft since 1990:
1 2011 1 4 A.J. Green WR CIN 2011 2011 0 0 1 15 15 5 53 0 65 1057 7 Georgia
2 2011 1 6 Julio Jones WR ATL 2011 2011 0 0 1 13 13 6 56 0 54 959 8 Alabama
3 2009 1 7 Darrius Heyward-Bey WR OAK 2009 2011 0 0 3 5 40 38 6 67 0 99 1465 6 Maryland
4 2009 1 10 Michael Crabtree WR SFO 2009 2011 0 0 3 11 42 40 1 6 0 175 2240 12 Texas Tech
5 2007 1 2 Calvin Johnson WR DET 2007 2011 1 1 5 29 76 71 19 167 1 366 5872 49 Georgia Tech
6 2007 1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR MIA 2007 2011 0 0 3 19 75 38 26 203 2 159 2047 6 Ohio St.
7 2005 1 3 Braylon Edwards WR CLE 2005 2011 0 1 5 45 99 89 4 11 0 341 5323 39 Michigan
8 2005 1 7 Troy Williamson WR MIN 2005 2009 0 0 1 8 49 24 6 58 0 87 1131 4 South Carolina
9 2005 1 10 Mike Williams WR DET 2005 2011 0 0 2 11 56 30 1 0 0 127 1526 5 USC
10 2004 1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 2004 2011 1 5 8 56 124 123 16 55 0 693 9615 73 Pittsburgh
11 2004 1 7 Roy E. Williams WR DET 2004 2011 0 1 7 43 115 94 6 17 0 393 5715 44 Texas
12 2004 1 9 Reggie Williams WR JAX 2004 2008 0 0 3 23 79 53 11 44 0 189 2322 18 Washington
13 2003 1 2 Charles Rogers WR DET 2003 2005 0 0 0 4 15 9 2 17 0 36 440 4 Michigan St.
14 2003 1 3 Andre Johnson WR HOU 2003 2011 2 5 8 73 122 122 23 54 0 706 9656 52
15 2001 1 8 David Terrell WR CHI 2001 2005 0 0 1 11 54 29 4 14 0 128 1602 9 Michigan
16 2001 1 9 Koren Robinson WR SEA 2001 2008 0 1 4 35 96 70 23 115 1 294 4244 16 North Carolina St.
17 2000 1 4 Peter Warrick WR CIN 2000 2005 0 0 4 28 79 60 53 360 2 275 2991 18 Florida St.
18 2000 1 8 Plaxico Burress WR PIT 2000 2011 0 0 10 66 144 134 1 -7 0 550 8457 63 Michigan St.
19 2000 1 10 Travis Taylor WR BAL 2000 2007 0 0 7 32 101 90 32 232 0 312 4017 22 Florida
20 1999 1 6 Torry Holt WR STL 1999 2009 1 7 11 100 173 159 11 57 0 920 13382 74 North Carolina St.
21 1999 1 8 David Boston WR ARI 1999 2005 1 1 3 37 75 62 18 91 0 315 4699 25 Ohio St.
22 1997 1 7 Ike Hilliard WR NYG 1997 2008 0 0 8 43 161 105 16 126 0 546 6397 35 Florida
23 1996 1 1 Keyshawn Johnson WR NYJ 1996 2006 0 3 11 78 167 162 13 91 2 814 10571 64 USC
24 1996 1 7 Terry Glenn WR NWE 1996 2007 0 1 9 66 137 127 20 139 1 593 8823 44 Ohio St.
25 1995 1 4 Michael Westbrook WR WAS 1995 2002 0 0 6 38 89 72 22 160 1 285 4374 26 Colorado
26 1995 1 8 Joey Galloway WR SEA 1995 2010 0 0 11 78 198 175 63 496 1 701 10950 77 Ohio St.
27 1995 1 10 J.J. Stokes WR SFO 1995 2003 0 0 3 41 118 69 1 6 0 342 4293 30 UCLA
28 1993 1 7 Curtis Conway WR CHI 1993 2004 0 0 10 61 167 144 50 465 3 594 8230 52 USC
29 1992 1 4 Desmond Howard WR WAS 1992 2002 0 1 1 18 156 29 12 68 0 123 1597 7 Michigan
30 1991 1 10 Herman Moore WR DET 1991 2002 3 4 8 81 146 123 670 9174 62 Virginia

Only those highlighted to my knowledge ever played in a Super Bowl, and I don't know that you can say that any of them were outstanding stars for their team (except Fitzgerald)
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:39 PM

Let me ask another question. How influential were the running backs in the superbowl winning teams, winning the superbowl?
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:46 PM

Just a quick question, if we owend the #6 pick right now, and blackmon is off the board and t rich and claiborne are still left because miami traded to the 5 spot to get Tannehill, would you take Trich then?
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:49 PM

Just a quick question, if we owend the #6 pick right now, and blackmon is off the board and t rich and claiborne are still left because miami traded to the 5 spot to get Tannehill, would you take Trich then?


depends on what we do in FA. If we get Benson or Bush then Clairborne. I will lean towards Clairborne.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:30 PM

didn't bush sign with the bears?

benson has issues and wouldn't he demand more money than what a rookie can receive because of the new CBA?

hey richardson, blackmon and claiborn are all good players. we've got so many holes to fill at this point i'm leaning towards drafting down and grabbing a couple of more picks for some LBs in the 2nd round.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 09:08 PM

Well, Mike, I think you lost credibility for a year when you rated our current running back situation higher than our offensive line, but I agree you don't go RB at #4.

We can't get the QB we need at #4. We are one masterful stroke from the perfect offensive line and we might be able do it at #22: Mike Adams of Ohio St.

With first rounders at LT, RT and C and two big beefy mid-round grinders at G, we would have the perfect offensive line

At #37 we can pick up a nice back like David Wilson.

Which is why we need to go Blackmon at #6.

I stand by my mock of a week ago:

#6 Blackmon, WR
#22 Mike Adams, OT
#37 David Wilson, RB

I just worry for the "no line" "no weapons" people if we do that ... how will they be able to defend Brady McFrye in 2013?

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