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#21 Tour2ma

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

Tebow is a phenom, not a franchise QB. He will burn bright and then burn out. Do I know this? No. It's what I believe.

and as for espn they'll continue to suck this kid's dick even if he did play for the browns, the jags anywhere....not just NY. he's an entity of his own media machine.

I'm pretty sure dicksucking is something Tebow would frown upon...

Tebow will probably be starting for the Jets by the end of next season. I don't know the the Jets are thinking trading for Tebow, they just gave Sanchez a new contract, and the NY media will be screaming for Tebow after the first bad game.

Yup... or as I put it in another thread...

He's a better fit w/ NYJ, and his WildGator role will help keep things calm for a bit, but...

While I could care less about Tebow being a 110 on a 0 - 100 Jesus scale, there's a portion of the fan base that does. And they will continuously stir the pot of QB controversy for him. Once Sanchez pulls a 4Q pratfall (and he will), the NY media and more of the fan base will really pick up the Tebow chant. And any WildGator success will only fuel the replace Sanchez movement.

Bottom Line for NYJ: Full blown QB controversy in 2012 of "biblical" proportions... you know old testament, real wrath of God stuff...

As for us.. well, all the above would just happen sooner... like at signing... and at least that makes him a better fit in NYJ-land.


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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:13 PM

I gathered from the ESPN piece that Tebow was brought in just to run the gimmicks at the goal line that the Jets were succesful with when Brad Smith was there. Maybe instead of the Wilddawg they can call it the Green Jesus offense...or something.
They will need to pray that it works, because, if I recall, as mentioned, the last time we saw it, Bill Belichick was eating that gimmick alive.

Can we now conclude all the conversation about a backup QB that is probably better off going to the Canadian Football League?
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:14 PM

The narcissism on this board in monumental.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:23 PM

The narcissism on this board in monumental.


I always like to combine my narcissm with a little hedonism.

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:25 PM

That photo screams "STD's"...
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:50 PM

Did you actually watch Tebow play or just watch the highlights. The dude can't throw a football. He can't run a pro style offense, it HAS to be the spread. HE is horrid. He is the worst QB in the NFL when it comes to throwing the ball and there isn't even a close 2nd.

T. Tebow 9/26 136 5.2 0 0 52.7
T. Tebow 11/22 194 8.8 0 0 80.5
T. Tebow 13/29 185 6.4 1 3 37.9
T. Tebow 6/22 60 2.7 0 1 20.6
T. Tebow 21/40 236 5.9 1 1 68.3
T. Tebow 10/21 316 15.0 2 0 125.6 -> Pittsburgh game, best game of his career and he still below 50% passing.
T. Tebow 10/15 202 13.5 2 0 149.3
T. Tebow 9/18 143 7.9 1 0 95.4
T. Tebow 9/20 104 5.2 0 0 61.2
T. Tebow 2/8 69 8.6 1 0 102.6 -> This is for an entire game, he was the only QB.
T. Tebow 10/21 124 5.9 2 0 98.1
T. Tebow 18/39 172 4.4 1 1 56.8
T. Tebow 13/27 161 6.0 2 0 91.7
T. Tebow 4/10 79 7.9 1 0 101.7

Full yr line:

Comp Att % Yds Avg/Att TD Int Fumbles Rating
126 271 46.5 1,729 6.38 12 6 7 72.9

So exactly why again do you this this guy is any good? only 4 times did he hit the 50% mark or better and of those 4 half were exactly 50% and a third was 52.5%. The numbers get you cut. I know he runs the ball well but he can't throw. Pull up the game tape dude. He can't throw the ball. I have no faith that he can improve in this area. He also lost 4 of his last 5 games. Teams were figuring out this whole spread schtick. He isn't good. If he proves he can throw the ball consistently in the 58 percentile or better I will change my tune.


You want over 50% completion percentage? Colt McCoy has a career 58.4% completion rate. He's also 6-15. He's won less games in his career than Tebow did last season.

You know who else runs a spread? Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees. All of those offenses are hybrid Erhardt-Perkins/ Spread offenses. But I guess NFL defenses with figure out their whole "spread" schtick too. And before you get all high on your horse, I am not comparing Tebow to any of those QB's. I'm simply listing QB's who are known for operating in a spread-style offense.

so tebow single-handedly took the broncos to the playoffs? oh thats not what you said? well...thats what you implied.

so he just wins....got it. its perfectly fair to assume he's gonna keep on going, and that NFL defenses wont figure out the gimmick offense that he forces on his OC due to his inability to play the position properly.

so look at it from this angle. when colt struggled to pick up the offense, did our system change to play to his strengths? do you think that guys who are clearly system first guys will throw out all their years of running and refining the WCO out the window to install a special offense required by this pseudo-QB to succeed? oh, he's left handed you say....awesome....we'd have the best strongside tackle in the game! oh yeah....we're gonna have a rookie on the right, or cousins.

but it was still a good idea because he just wins!


You tell me. They were 1-4 under Orton, with the same defense and same personnel. He obviously did something, whether or not you'd like to admit it.

At no point did I ever claim Tebow to be a franchise QB. But he wins games. You cannot deny that. He makes those around him play better.

I also never said anything about him being left handed, that's just you trying to pick something out of thin air to argue about, like a woman. I suppose this is all because I forgot to take out the trash last week, right?

The point is, he's a big name guy who has a winning record in the NFL, who the media loves and the fans love. He would have been great for a "new Cleveland" angle and would have put fans in the stands. Which, in turn, would have peaked interest from FA's and would have made it easier to negotiate. Then all of you whiny bitches would have less to complain about in the offseason, because more people want to play with Tebow than want to play with Colt McCoy. He is the complete antithesis of a locker room cancer; New York only got him to improve their locker room image. He would have brought media attention to Cleveland for reasons other than us sucking ass year in and out. To top it all off, he was dirt cheap. How this move doesn't make sense is beyond me.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 03:06 PM

The Tebow move looks to not be happening with the Jets.

Hopefully the Browns step in and offer what they need to to get him ... 4th and 6th ... both 4ths and a 6th ... just make it happen. This team has NO playmakers and Tebow is the definition of playmaker. I don't give a shit about his completion percentage. He is worth the gamble ... What have the Browns drafted in rounds 4-6 since 1999 better then Tebow and the potential of Tebow moving forward?? the answer is nothing.

He fills a huge whole. Not specifically a QB hole, but he fills a genral hole of a playmaker. It is a win/win in my opinion to go and trade whatever late round picks we need to get him. We either trade them and get him and have a decent playmaker or we trade guys who suck with those picks.

Atleast Tebow would make it look like we have some balls to make moves. And anyone who is against taking a gamble and trading LATE round picks for Tebow doesn't want the Browns move forward with playmakers.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 03:08 PM

The Tebow move looks to not be happening with the Jets.

Hopefully the Browns step in and offer what they need to to get him ... 4th and 6th ... both 4ths and a 6th ... just make it happen. This team has NO playmakers and Tebow is the definition of playmaker. I don't give a shit about his completion percentage. He is worth the gamble ... What have the Browns drafted in rounds 4-6 since 1999 better then Tebow and the potential of Tebow moving forward?? the answer is nothing.

He fills a huge whole. Not specifically a QB hole, but he fills a genral hole of a playmaker. It is a win/win in my opinion to go and trade whatever late round picks we need to get him. We either trade them and get him and have a decent playmaker or we trade guys who suck with those picks.

Atleast Tebow would make it look like we have some balls to make moves. And anyone who is against taking a gamble and trading LATE round picks for Tebow doesn't want the Browns move forward with playmakers.


I actually agree a 4th and 6th is worth it.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 03:16 PM

Wow, you guys are right, the trade hasn't been finalized. http://espn.go.com/n...age-source-says

But the Browns will sit on their hands while other teams take chances on acquiring a special talent. The price is cheap!

I've seen this movie a couple times now, we go thru 2012 winning 3-4 games again, the fans go fucking crazy, Lerner panics or Holmgren decides he has enough of the criticism and "retires" back to Seattle. We get a new President, who wants his own GM, so Heckert is out. Then we get rid of this dope Shurmur, the new coach wants to run a 3-4, so we start all over again. This team can't afford to be conservative all the time.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

I truly believe Tebow should end up in Jacksonville. That is his home town/state. Their QB situation is by no means as settle as say the Jets, where he will not be offered a chance to compete for the starting job. He will get that chance in JAX.
I am not a big Tebow fan at all, but I do think that he should go somewhere that would be best for him, the team that takes him, and the league.
That is JAX. The Jets don't need Tybalt to sell tickets. The Jags do. The Jets don't need Tybalt to compete for the starting job. The Jags do...or may.
Shere Khan needs to step back in and get his boy:

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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:03 PM

You want over 50% completion percentage? Colt McCoy has a career 58.4% completion rate. He's also 6-15. He's won less games in his career than Tebow did last season.

You know who else runs a spread? Peyton Manning. Tom Brady. Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees. All of those offenses are hybrid Erhardt-Perkins/ Spread offenses. But I guess NFL defenses with figure out their whole "spread" schtick too. And before you get all high on your horse, I am not comparing Tebow to any of those QB's. I'm simply listing QB's who are known for operating in a spread-style offense.



You tell me. They were 1-4 under Orton, with the same defense and same personnel. He obviously did something, whether or not you'd like to admit it.

At no point did I ever claim Tebow to be a franchise QB. But he wins games. You cannot deny that. He makes those around him play better.

I also never said anything about him being left handed, that's just you trying to pick something out of thin air to argue about, like a woman. I suppose this is all because I forgot to take out the trash last week, right?

The point is, he's a big name guy who has a winning record in the NFL, who the media loves and the fans love. He would have been great for a "new Cleveland" angle and would have put fans in the stands. Which, in turn, would have peaked interest from FA's and would have made it easier to negotiate. Then all of you whiny bitches would have less to complain about in the offseason, because more people want to play with Tebow than want to play with Colt McCoy. He is the complete antithesis of a locker room cancer; New York only got him to improve their locker room image. He would have brought media attention to Cleveland for reasons other than us sucking ass year in and out. To top it all off, he was dirt cheap. How this move doesn't make sense is beyond me.


Yeah I see Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers etc running the majority of the time. Those offensives may have elements of the spread in them, but they are PASS heavy offensives. Denver isn't. Its based off the QB running. Why? Because he can't freakin throw a football. Tebow does have intangibles I agree with that but he doesn't have the ability to be a good NFL QB. Who cares if he brings buzz to Cleveland. Also I don't think Cleveland is doing bad with putting butts in the seats either. And 58% is bad for an NFL QB, I threw that figure out there because if Tebow could be a "bad" QB he might be dangerous. An NFL QB should be at least at 60% or higher. Do not take this as an argument for McCoy I think he needs to go, but Tebow isn't the answer.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:08 PM

Atleast Tebow would make it look like we have some balls to make moves. And anyone who is against taking a gamble and trading LATE round picks for Tebow doesn't want the Browns move forward with playmakers.


Actually I disagree with this statement. I believe there are many people here who would love the Browns to takes risk, i.e, trading for Griffin. I was one of those who advocated us doing that. And the FO did try but ultimately failed in that endeavor. However, we have seen enough of Tebow that acquiring him to the the starter would cause us to vastly over haul the offense. This isnt going to happen. He also cannot throw a football based on what he has done last yr. This would be a gamble where the odds heavily favor this being a flop that its not worth the risk. I hope the FO does go after playmakers in this draft. I would love to see the first 4 picks be on the offensive side of the ball. I would rather gamble with the draft than with Tebow.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:26 PM

I'm trying to figure out if Lerner's sissy ass is trying to do anything with this team.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:31 PM

Yeah I see Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers etc running the majority of the time. Those offensives may have elements of the spread in them, but they are PASS heavy offensives. Denver isn't. Its based off the QB running. Why? Because he can't freakin throw a football. Tebow does have intangibles I agree with that but he doesn't have the ability to be a good NFL QB. Who cares if he brings buzz to Cleveland. Also I don't think Cleveland is doing bad with putting butts in the seats either. And 58% is bad for an NFL QB, I threw that figure out there because if Tebow could be a "bad" QB he might be dangerous. An NFL QB should be at least at 60% or higher. Do not take this as an argument for McCoy I think he needs to go, but Tebow isn't the answer.



The Spread is a PASS heavy offense, dipshit. It's intended to "spread" the defense horizontally with multiple receiver sets, which then in turns opens running lanes inside, but it is no longer a run based offense.

The Spread Option is a run first offense, and that is what the Broncos ran.


Everybody cares if he brings a buzz to Cleveland. Bringing a buzz to Cleveland is what will bring other free agents to Cleveland. Bringing other Free Agents to Cleveland is going to help bring wins to Cleveland. I don't feel we need to rely on the FA market at all but if we ever want to get into the postseason, much less make it to a Super Bowl, we're going to have to bring in at least one playmaker.

And Tim Tebow is the biggest playmaker there is in the NFL right now. No doubt about it.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:31 PM

Actually I disagree with this statement. I believe there are many people here who would love the Browns to takes risk, i.e, trading for Griffin. I was one of those who advocated us doing that. And the FO did try but ultimately failed in that endeavor. However, we have seen enough of Tebow that acquiring him to the the starter would cause us to vastly over haul the offense. This isnt going to happen. He also cannot throw a football based on what he has done last yr. This would be a gamble where the odds heavily favor this being a flop that its not worth the risk. I hope the FO does go after playmakers in this draft. I would love to see the first 4 picks be on the offensive side of the ball. I would rather gamble with the draft than with Tebow.




Who said anything about him being the starter?
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:09 PM

And Tim Tebow is the biggest playmaker there is in the NFL right now. No doubt about it.



Okay, you lost me there.

The Broncos changed their entire offense for Tebow, Cleveland would never do that.
It takes him longer to wind up and release than it does for our guys to run their 5 yard outs.


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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:23 PM

Lmao....never imagined couch as a tebow shill....
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

Who said anything about him being the starter?


Exactly. I never said to bring him in as a starter and he quoted my post. I specifically said he wouldn't fill a need at QB, but would fill a huge hole as a playmaker.

The great thing about Tebow is you don't have to just pigeon hole him in as a QB. Sure he would prefer to play QB, but he isn't just a QB. We could line him up as a RB/FR/TE and of course we can also use him as a QB. Just because he isn't a "good QB" doesn't mean he isn't a good football player.

He would add a dimension to our offense that we do not have right now and that is that he could make plays. We need him and for the cost of late round bull shit picks I see no reason not to make a push for him. It is a low risk high reward situation. If nothing else it might create some hype around the team and make Cleveland look like a better destination for players.

The biggest thing with Tebow if he came here is if Shurmer would adjust his playcalling accordingly. Tebow/Cribbs running wilddawg would be sick. 2 guys who were college QBs and can run the ball. It would be really fun to watch.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:50 PM

Look I like Tebow and think the guys a winner, but the fact of the matter is he would fizzle out and die in Cleveland. The reason he had so much success in Denver is because the offense was literally made for him. Hell John Fox even admitted that if the offense wasn't tailored made for him there's no way he would be winning. It's obvious Shurmer and the gang are going to stick with the crap we put together last year and not change it for new personnel. There's no way in hell Tebow would be effective in it, that's just the truth.
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Posted 21 March 2012 - 05:55 PM

Tebow trade voided. Jets and Jags frontrunners in the new negotiations.
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