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#21 USFBrown

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:16 PM

QUOTE (Dave @ Jul 31 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Ate, love the videos. Looking at the QB in the first and third throws and both were #17, and both badly underthrown. The second throw was from #6. Its only 3 balls but I'm reading elsewhere that Wallace has the strongest arm in camp.



Agreed. Some of those throws were just plain bad. It is early, but who knows...
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Dave @ Jul 31 2010, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks Ate, love the videos. Looking at the QB in the first and third throws and both were #17, and both badly underthrown. The second throw was from #6. Its only 3 balls but I'm reading elsewhere that Wallace has the strongest arm in camp.


It's still too early to tell.

At this point, the QB is still trying to learn his WRs. Does he take wider cuts on outs or on ins? Does he come back to the ball or sit on it and wiat (like Braylon), that sort of thing. Under and overthrown balls the first week of camp don't worry me. Now, if we see those against GB in the preseason, well then, pick up Hardesty and Harrison on your fantasy teams!
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (ATENEARS @ Jul 31 2010, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I took a lot of pictures and shot some video. Here is the first of the video I'm uploading. The third duo to go at it is LB D'Qwell Jackson who runs over RB Peyton Hillis to the delight of the other Defensive Players who celebrate the hit.

Don't throw D'Qwell out with the bath water just yet ... and It don't appear that Vickers is in any jeopardy of losing his dominating blocking scheme playing time any time soon.



man I must have been standing right next to you judging by that angle...I'm a younger guy, brown josh cribbs jersey, sunglasses, and a white hat...but with so many people you probably wouldn't notice lol. Watching DQ run Hillis over really got the crowd fired up...that was a fun drill to watch, thanks for the video
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 01:20 PM

Stan, tremendous effort, really really appreciate what you do at camp time - A big genuine thank you. Keep it coming.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 03:03 PM

Thanks stan, I am jealous you get to be there. I'm out west, that's why I appreciate the updates.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 03:52 PM

I was a bit surprised to see the players in full pads already this morning. One thing that I like about attending the Browns camps is seeing how each different coach runs a different camp. Ironically, I still think Chris Palmer's first year in 1999 was among the top camps, then in 200o it was as if Carmen Policy or someone cut his balls off as the second camp lacked everything the first one did.



Todays camp got started quick, no long gravy train stretching sessions where fat ass D-linemen rolled around on the ground and thought they were comedians. We got right to it today, running full balst at one another in gauging the speed of the game even if the pads weren't cracking all that hard.

It's always a fine line. You have the boys come out hitting and you get grilled for it when the injuries start to mount. You go soft at camp and still get grilled when the injuries mount. In that regard, I like Mangini's camp today getting into the tempo of the speed of the game right from the bat.

I thought the QBs threw a bit too much today, they can't possibly keep that up and make it through the entire camp. I was not very pleased with any one QB. Sure, Wallace looked probably the best, but that isn't anything to run to the nearest local paper and declare him "pushing Delhomme". I can't stand when these QB's look as if they had just come off 6-weeks of being honed by some QB coach who desires them to over emphasize keeping the nose down on the ball. I thought all QB's appeared to be trying to throw of a certain style instead of just letting the ball boom from their hand.


The Defense looked to be working real hard, although were mostly on the far field from where I was at. I was a bit disappointed in Carlton Mitchells work ethic. Don't get me wrong, the kid is one of my early favorites, but he's not working as hard as he could be. You can tell the cats who want it, Cribbs, Robiskie, Wallace, D'Qwell, but there wasn't enough 'wanting it' and I left camp a bit concerned. I've coached for years, I know when I see someone who is hungry or not ... If Carlton wanted it, he could grab this team/league for all it's riches.



Carlton Mitchell has a nice NFL body, his arms and upper body are still rookish, but I thought his trunk and legs looked the part. He looks every bit of 6'3" and could add to the 215 frame.

I watched Cribbs a lot and was very surprised to see him getting so many reps with the WR's as if he was an all-around full blown receiver in this league. He still has those mechanical hips, but Good Gawd, he's a load coming at ya on a catch. He still made enough lazy cuts, and dropped one ball off his hands to give you the feel that he once again won't take the league by storm from the WR position, we are still gonna need some gimmicks to get him the rock with open day light ahead. (see picture of drop)


IN a far drill, I know there was no head-on tackling, but an 11-on-11 drill had the running backs shooting out of the backside of the D-line a bit too easy and too abundance. Each year I attend camp hoping we can stop the run ... I'm concerned a little more than usual, although Rogers was out and on the exercise bike.


I thought Jake Delhomme had some nice throws and some lame throws, some decent timing and some porr timing ... He was ... (some of you may want to click-off without reading further) ... Delhomme was a bit Derek Anderson like today, without the cannon throws.


On one play I saw Bobby Engram get a slim step across the middle on a defender and Delhomme put the ball right on the money, but Engram dropped it as we've seen all too many times.

I eported earlier that Chris Jennings was whiffing on the blocking drills, however there is still some hope with the kid, he was gunning pretty good on kick and punt coverage, so there is always that special teams option.


Holmgren observed camp from a golf cart with his right leg propped on the dash of the cart, wrapped in bright orange fiberglass cast. He didn't move around much or do much observing. Mangini floated around on the far field and seemed to favor the defense side during drills.




To view all Photo's and a few more in a very large size, go to this page we set up to store all pictures
.... maybe more tomorrow at the 1:00-3:00pm session.

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 04:10 PM

Video's still coming ...

Here's a good shot of Carlton Mitchell receiving and Colt MycCoy rolling out to his right and throwing on the run.

From todays Opening day of Training Camp:


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Posted 31 July 2010 - 04:28 PM

Stan, do u notice any differences from last year, I lknow its so early
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (WRREBEL @ Jul 31 2010, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Stan, do u notice any differences from last year, I lknow its so early


Only thing that I could say that I notice is that we seem to be trying to get up to speed with the speed of the game a lot sooner. Having pads on and hitting already is impressive, although like I said earlier, if injuries start to mount than Mangini will be dragged through the coals. I prefer it this way, hitting and playing football at the speed it should be played.

I was a bit disappointed in that more players didn't seem to have an urgency to their play. I like up-tempo guys who are looking to really push themselves in the drills. A couple of years ago, Jamal Lewis fit this bill. He played every down in every practice with a sense of urgency and as hard as he could. That season panned out with a 1300 yard performance from him. Last year I didn't see that from him and he's now been shipped to the glue factory.

It was only one session of a two-a-day, I'm going to try to get back there tomorrow afternoon as another gage.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 04:58 PM

Here is a pretty decent length clip of RB & FB's taking on LB's in a blitz drill. Get your roster sheet ready to track who is going up against who, and keep in mind that I believe at different times, backs or TE's are working on chipping or releasing off the line as well, so not all are blown pickups.

In the second duo to go #47 Lawrence Vickers shows (Hillis) how its done and destroys any attemp of #51 Chris Gocong from getting anywhere near our invisible QB.


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Posted 31 July 2010 - 05:10 PM

Thanks for the in depth feedback from camp ! This thread rocks !
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 05:22 PM

Here's more of the blitz pickup drills and edge rushers...

Oh boy, D'Qwell makes Hillis his bitch once again. I've seen Lawrence Vickers, and Mr. Hillis, you're no Lawrence Vickers ...


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Posted 31 July 2010 - 05:37 PM

Just to keep everyone grounded and put this 'Seneca Wallace is out-playing Jake Delhomme' bullshit to bed after one practice. Here is a clip of #87 TE Joel Gamble running the underneith route and #88 Old man Bobby Engram coming from the far side and running a deeper route. My video doesn't show the QB's very well at the very start, by eliminating #17 Delhomme & #5 Brett Ratliff standing in the background, it has to be #6 Seneca Wallace who throws the terribly over-thrown pass to #88 Engram, while #12 Colt McCoy hits #87 Joel Gamble fairly well underneith.


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Posted 31 July 2010 - 06:51 PM

This is a great thread, thank you for all the information and keeping us up to date. But we can't be to critical, this is only the first day of training camp.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 07:28 PM

thanks for the tc coverage, ate! hopefully i'll get down there this year.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 07:36 PM

Wow. Jennings really needs to start stepping into his blocks.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 06:39 AM

Great thread, Skippy! Once training camp starts there is nowhere on the internet like the Brownsboard.

I can almost smell Roach's burgers cooking on the grill...

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 07:09 AM

Great stuff, Stan.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:03 AM

We have our own "Hard Knocks: The Cleveland Browns" it just needs narrated with story lines smile.gif

At the end of the first video when Jackson puts Hillis on the ground I noticed David Veikune's body doesnt look like an NFL linebacker. How has he looked in drills?

Also there was alot of talk about WR Haggerty being the talk of OTA's, did he stand out to you?
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (nmills @ Aug 1 2010, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have our own "Hard Knocks: The Cleveland Browns" it just needs narrated with story lines smile.gif

At the end of the first video when Jackson puts Hillis on the ground I noticed David Veikune's body doesnt look like an NFL linebacker. How has he looked in drills?

Also there was alot of talk about WR Haggerty being the talk of OTA's, did he stand out to you?


Wow, funny you mention Veikune, because I was just re-watching a few of these video's and I saw #57 Veikune in that same shot you just mentioned, running to the next drill. I thought the same thing (about him not having an NFL body) and I've made a mental note to key in on him at this afternoons workout. I'll try to bring you some exclusive stuff on Veikune in a few hours.

I think I may have some video around here of Haggerty from yesterday ... let me check. If not, I'll try to shoot some today as well.

I also saw #28 James Davis among some of this video. Davis was a beast last year at these training camps until he got hurt in that questionable after-practice hit a few weeks later. I will be checking to see if he is bringing the same amount of fire or if he has been neutered and headed for cuts.
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