larryfine Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Hello. How come all OSU QB's that get drafted in the NFL suck balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Do the world and favor and fucking kill yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Hello. How come all OSU QB's that get drafted in the NFL suck balls? They are not trained in the NFL fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 They are not trained in the NFL fashion. All of them? Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Who gives a fuck? Different league, different team. I loved Braylon Edwards as a member of the Browns and fucking hated Santonio Homes as a member of the Steelers. Fucking hate that college to NFL mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 I am a Browns fan. But I am a Michigan fan and alum. I love my school and its players. Their college days do not disappear when they are drafted to me. That is another element to the fan experience. The Browns losing to the Jags ssuuuucckkkedd. But it was great to see Denard go off. The love/hate thing with the Browns is great. I grew up in the Cleveland area, I support my team... but I prefer college football over the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 but I prefer college football over the NFL. I'm starting to go that route. The NFL has been bought and sold to advertisers, networks, commercials, and selling products. College Football is probably the last real thing we have to pure football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Ya, it depends on how you look at it though. I think the game is being corrupted (namely the SEC) and the idea of winning "the right way" has disappeared. I don't want a minor league, I want college sports with student athletes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 The NFL is far superior talent wise, but College football is more enjoyable to watch. IMO unless you root for that school up north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryfine Posted December 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 All of them? Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL. Yes, I did say all of them. Can you name one or more OSU Qb's that played in the NFL and had a successful career and didn't suck balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 That "all of them" response was to Gipper and him saying they weren't trained for the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 All of them? Idk where the OP came from, and the wording is a little harsh, but OSU QBs haven't exactly been the most successful in the NFL. More better QBs have come out of Purdue than just about any school. Yes, with all that Purdue has still always been a weak sister. OSU has produced as many good RBs, WRs, OL, DL, LBs, DBs as about any school...but yea, not really good pro QBs. About the best was Mike Tomscak. (but think about it.....besides the obvious....and one of the best of all time....Mr. Brady...who wasn't really all that in college....Michigan has not produced much beyond average QBs either. Grbac/Brian Griese....who else? Not much to write home about.) I mean, you could say that NO school has produced one guy as good as Brady.....maybe Tenn. with Peyton, ND with Joe Cool, Northwestern with Otto, Louisville with JU. Yea, it seems that Stanford and Purdue are the QB schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Uhh... I would say you could go a ways down Michigans QB list before you hit OSU level. Hell, what recent OSU QB has had the success of Henne? Idc about the schools success in college, or with other positions. We're just talking QB. You also made the assertion it was because they weren't trained for the NFL. I think that's BS honestly. Plenty of not pro style college offenses have produced NFL QBs. Also, you have always been a spread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryfine Posted December 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Brady and Brees go above and beyond "legitimate starters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters. How much cum guzzles out of your moms asshole on a weekly basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Uhh... I would say you could go a ways down Michigans QB list before you hit OSU level. Hell, what recent OSU QB has had the success of Henne? Idc about the schools success in college, or with other positions. We're just talking QB. You also made the assertion it was because they weren't trained for the NFL. I think that's BS honestly. Plenty of not pro style college offenses have produced NFL QBs. Also, you have always been a spread Here is the list of QBs that both OSU and Michigan have sent to the Pros. Here I am listing anyone that posted even as low as a 1 on the PFR Career Production Average stat: Michigan Tom Brady 145 Brian Griese 53 Elvis Grbac 46 Chad Henne 26 Todd Collins 11 Larry Cipa 1 Ohio St. Tom Matte 67 (While listed as a QB/RB....nearly all his production came as an RB) Mike Tomscak 43 Tom Tupa 29 (his production was split between QB and Punter) Kent Graham 20 Terrelle Pryor 7 Troy Smith 6 Art Schlichter 4 Bobby Hoying 3 Joe Germaine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78. Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two... Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest. But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 When you think about maybe you could include the big ten in general as not having a lot of QB's that played good in the NFL. There is Brady and Brees of course. Bob Greise Sr. Going back 40 years it doesn't seem there have been alot. I'm not talking about backups coming in after the starter gets injured and plays a couple of games or finihing a season out, I'm talking legitimate Starters. The Big Ten has done as well or better than any other conference historically at producing QBs. Just not OSU. Here are the Hall of Famers ....and almost certain HOFers produced by the current lineup of Power 5 conferences: Big Ten Len Dawson Purdue Bob Griese Purdue Drew Brees Purdue Otto Graham Northwestern Tom Brady Michigan SEC George Blanda Kentucky Joe Namath Alabama Bart Starr Alabama Fran Tarkenton Georgia YA Tittle LSU Peyton Manning Tennessee Pac-12 Troy Aikman UCLA Bob Waterfield UCLA John Elway Stanford Dan Fouts Oregon Norm Van Brocklin Oregon Warren Moon Washington ACC: Sonny Jurgenson Duke Jim Kelly Miami Dan Marino Pitt Johnny Unitas Louisville ....big maybe: Rivers NC St.? Big 12 Bobby Layne Texas Independents and smaller schools: Joe Montana Notre Dame Terry Bradshaw La. Tech Roger Staubach Navy Steve Young BYU Ben Roethlisberger Miami Oh. Brett Favre So. Miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 You forgot Brian Hoyer Mich St Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78. Right. I missed him...not sure how. Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two... He doesn't play QB in the NFL, does he? Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest. Grbac and Griese had careers about the same as Tomscak.....but definitely Harbaugh and Brady have been better. But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems. OSU HAS run the spread or something like it a lot longer than you thought (option QBs). Going back to Rex Kern and Cornelius Greene, Rod Gerald. Even Herbstreit was primarily an option QB, Stanley Jackson. Even Craig Krenzel....if you recall the championship game he won, he did a lot of it with his legs. And lately, Smith, Pryor, Miller, Barrett.....all as much run oriented as pass oriented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 You forgot Brian Hoyer Mich St You expect to make the HOF, eh? Cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Ohio State has had its attempts at having 'pro style" QBs start for them......Schlichter, Greg Frey, Jim Karsatos, Tupa, Kent Graham, Hoying, Tomscak. The fact is, that sort of QB has not had as much success for them as the more running QBs. And those guys did not translate into successful pros....with the limited exception of Tomscak. In the early 70s Michigan had their better success with "option" type QBs with Dennis Franklin and Rick Leach. But then they went to the "pro style" guys for a long long time with the likes of Steve Smith, John Wangler, Harbaugh, Michael Taylor, Harbaugh, Collins, Griese, Brady, Henson, Navarre, and Henne. Recently with Robinson and Gardner they have gone back to a more running/option/spread type of game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I would think there's a difference between a run first spread option QB and a QB that can also hurt you with his legs. I'm guessing NFL types know this. Also, I mentioned Denard as a "what if" because of the first guy you listed that was mostly a HB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I would think there's a difference between a run first spread option QB and a QB that can also hurt you with his legs. I'm guessing NFL types know this. Also, I mentioned Denard as a "what if" because of the first guy you listed that was mostly a HB While Matte was primarily a HB, he did occasionally start at QB. ( I doubt that Robinson will ever start an NFL game at QB) In fact, Matte famously started at QB in a post season game for the Colts. Johnny Unitas was hurt, backup Gary Cuozzo was hurt, so Matte had to start at QB for the Colts vs. the Packers. Here is the famous wristband that he wore that day which can be seen in the PFHOF: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I remember watching a special about that on NFL Network. And I saw it in Canton. No, the Jags would have to have some crazy shit happen at QB for Denard to play. There was a much better chance of something like that happening decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Compare this list: Purdue Drew Brees 134 Len Dawson 110 Bob Griese 104 Jim Everett 87 Jeff George 65 Gary Danielson 48 Mike Phipps 40 Kyle Orton 34 Mark Hermann 11 Scott Campbell 8 Curtis Painter 2 Mark Stevens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I know Purdue is better lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 You forgot Jim harbaugh, 78. Also, maybe we'll get to add Denard to that list in a season or two... Anyway, (removing the guy that played HB), that would mean Michigans top 4 QBs are higher than OSUs highest. But, all of this aside, the point I was making was I felt your assertion that OSU doesn't have alot of hugh producing QBs on that list because they "are not trained in the NFL fashion" is not really legitimate. Unless OSU has been a run spread for a lot longer than I thought.... But even then, we get NFL QBs from those systems. Denard Robinson will never play a snap as a qb in the nfl. For as much as you suck that guys balls he's terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Denard Robinson will never play a snap as a qb in the nfl. For as much as you suck that guys balls he's terrible I would bet he will take a snap at QB, They will run some gadget trick WildDawg stuff with him. But they better not let him throw. As he's an awful thrower of the ball. It will take some serious injuries for him to start an NFL game. No matter what team he plays for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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