Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 So ... the "NFL sources" have put out the word that the Patriots are not trading the guy I have wanted all along ... Jimmy Garappolo ... and it could be a smokescreen, a gimmick to up the ante, and all that ... but let's just say the Browns don't acquire a starting QB in free agency or trade ... who's your draft guy? Mine is DeShone Kizer. Perfect size, excellent mobility, big arm, throws a beautiful deep ball. THIS is a guy that Hugh Jackson can turn into a stud. If we go draft, do we keep RG3 around for another year, or do we cut bait and go totally inexperienced with Kessler and Kizer? Not sure, as I am not an RG3 fan. I think I'd rather start the season Kessler, Kizer, veteran third string dude and get rid of RG3. So how do we get him? You take Garrett #1. Then you gotta read the tea leaves ... if he's going to be there at #12 then wait and pounce, if you think he's gone earlier ... Trade up. 90% of you are going to hate this, especially the last part, but I truly believe he is the best QB prospect in the draft, and if we settle for less than best, we're not doing it right. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Best QB in this draft possibly, but is that saying much? It's not a strong group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Dick Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 ND fan here. Watched every Kizer game. The guy isn't very good. He won't be in the NFL for very long. Hate to break it to you... .bad decisions, bad arm. He is mobile, but sometimes would get afraid to take off and run. Does not compare to Watson at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbluhm86 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 RG4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 ND fan here. Watched every Kizer game. The guy isn't very good. He won't be in the NFL for very long. Hate to break it to you... .bad decisions, bad arm. He is mobile, but sometimes would get afraid to take off and run. Does not compare to Watson at all. Thank you, Rooster Dick. He does not have a bad arm, it is well known that he's got a strong arm. Bad decision-making? Maybe, probably. That's a lot of young QBs. They don't look like Tom Brady when they are 20. Lord knows Tom Brady didn't. But lots to work with here. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 RG4 I get it. They share a skin color. Different size, different style, different program, different everything ... but they're black and they can run fast. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I like alot of things about Kizer but he doesn't know how to put touch on the ball. It's like he tries to show how hard he can throw with every throw. Trubisky is the best quarterback prospect in this draft class but I wouldn't touch him until the 2nd round. I think Kessler needs to be our guy this year and build this team up for our guy next year. I seriously think we could be a boarder line playoff team if we do the right things this offseason. So no need to reach on a quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I like alot of things about Kizer but he doesn't know how to put touch on the ball. It's like he tries to show how hard he can throw with every throw. Trubisky is the best quarterback prospect in this draft class but I wouldn't touch him until the 2nd round. I think Kessler needs to be our guy this year and build this team up for our guy next year. I seriously think we could be a boarder line playoff team if we do the right things this offseason. So no need to reach on a quarterback This is a reasonable post. But I don't see us going into year three of the Hugh Jack era without "the guy". The guy will be found this year. Otherwise, next year he could be drafting for the next coach already, and none of us want that. We are bringing in a #1 draft pick, or a coveted vet in trade/free agency this year. Now. Bank it. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louisville Slugger Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 There is some really good talent in this draft I'll be really disappointed if we reach for a quarterback. Here's a name that no one talks about that could be a really interesting developmental project. Patrick Towles from BC. 6'5" 250lbs with really good athleticism and a strong arm. When he's on he can make plays but when he's bad it gets ugly in a hurry. If Hue can coach up his mechanics and get him more consistent he has potential. There not much of a drop off in terms of talent between him and Kizer but we could get him late if not an udfa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 This is a reasonable post. But I don't see us going into year three of the Hugh Jack era without "the guy". The guy will be found this year. Otherwise, next year he could be drafting for the next coach already, and none of us want that. We are bringing in a #1 draft pick, or a coveted vet in trade/free agency this year. Now. Bank it. Zombo I guess the issue is was his last season a product of having a crappy team around him or a product of him being "figured out" by the other college teams and he's just not that good. I think I'm leaning towards camp Watson but I have really no clue about any of these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Bottom line: Watson wins the close games. Give me an f'n winner when the game is on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Thank you, Rooster Dick. He does not have a bad arm, it is well known that he's got a strong arm. Bad decision-making? Maybe, probably. That's a lot of young QBs. They don't look like Tom Brady when they are 20. Lord knows Tom Brady didn't. But lots to work with here. Zombo Anyone who would write Kizer has a bad arm has no fucking clue what they're talking about. His biggest strength BY FAR is his arm talent and ability to make throws. His weaknesses are in other areas and are IMO pronounced but that's the one place you can't even remotely ding him. I guess he wasn't watching the games that closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, you know my opinion: Trubisky Has everything Kizer has and much more: Good size 6'2 1/2 Strong arm Excellent deep ball Excellent touch when needed Good mobility Poise Good at reading defenses. Good with his progressions. Marino like release ONLY thing anyone has ever said: McShay: he has the entire package but he has only played limited games Mayock: essentially the same thing Kiper: Comparable to Matt Ryan. NFL Draft Advisor Council: best QB available MMQB: Best QB available. Again...only knock...limited experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark O Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, you know my opinion: Trubisky Has everything Kizer has and much more: Good size 6'6 1/2 Strong arm Excellent deep ball Excellent touch when needed Good mobility Poise Good at reading defenses. Good with his progressions. Marino like release ONLY thing anyone has ever said: McShay: he has the entire package but he has only played limited games Mayock: essentially the same thing Kiper: Comparable to Matt Ryan. NFL Draft Advisor Council: best QB available MMQB: Best QB available. Again...only knock...limited experience. It's a legitimate and big knock on him. Doesn't mean he won't turn out great but it is a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Good size 6'6 1/2 Typo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Dawg Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Kizer is the other Ohio QB I would like to see the Browns draft. BTW, Watson is RGIV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, you know my opinion: Trubisky Has everything Kizer has and much more: Good size 6'6 1/2 Strong arm Excellent deep ball Excellent touch when needed Good mobility Poise Good at reading defenses. Good with his progressions. Marino like release ONLY thing anyone has ever said: McShay: he has the entire package but he has only played limited games Mayock: essentially the same thing Kiper: Comparable to Matt Ryan. NFL Draft Advisor Council: best QB available MMQB: Best QB available. Again...only knock...limited experience. Did he grow 4 1/2 inches this morning? Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 It's a legitimate and big knock on him. Doesn't mean he won't turn out great but it is a concern. If the talent is there...then the experience level should not really be an impediment. I mean, Brandon Weeden, Chris Weinke....any number of other players had tons of experience. It didn't help them overcome their level of suckage. And I know...people hate comparisons to players in other sports....but lack of experience didn't hurt Kobe and LeBron when they came into the NBA out of high school. It is just a fact that talent can overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Did he grow 4 1/2 inches this morning? Z Oops, typo....corrected. Funny story though.....when I was age 62....I measured out at 6'2". But...sometime when I was 63 yrs. old....I measured 6'3". I legitimately grew an inch at age 63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, according to the combine measurements, Kizer is the easy choice.... Mitch Trubisky: 6'2 1/8", 9 1/2" hands DeShaun Watson: 6’2 1/2, 9 3/4” hands Pat Mahomes: 6’2, 9 1/4” hands DeShone Kizer: 6’4 1/4, 9 7/8” hands Now, if he wears a helmet and cranks some kool music during his pro day, the NFL universe might just shit itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaineDeSoulis Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, according to the combine measurements, Kizer is the easy choice.... Mitch Trubisky: 6'2 1/8", 9 1/2" hands DeShaun Watson: 6’2 1/2, 9 3/4” hands Pat Mahomes: 6’2, 9 1/4” hands DeShone Kizer: 6’4 1/4, 9 7/8” hands Now, if he wears a helmet and cranks some kool music during his pro day, the NFL universe might just shit itself. wow yep he's pretty big wish he could play QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well, according to the combine measurements, Kizer is the easy choice.... Mitch Trubisky: 6'2 1/8", 9 1/2" hands DeShaun Watson: 6’2 1/2, 9 3/4” hands Pat Mahomes: 6’2, 9 1/4” hands DeShone Kizer: 6’4 1/4, 9 7/8” hands Now, if he wears a helmet and cranks some kool music during his pro day, the NFL universe might just shit itself. If tall with big hands is all we are really looking for then let's go sign Yao Ming to play QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Did he grow 4 1/2 inches this morning? Z Most men do in the mornings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Most men do in the mornings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Thank you, Rooster Dick. He does not have a bad arm, it is well known that he's got a strong arm. Bad decision-making? Maybe, probably. That's a lot of young QBs. They don't look like Tom Brady when they are 20. Lord knows Tom Brady didn't. But lots to work with here. Zombo Other than the bad arm comment, I'm with Rooster. A rocket arm with no brain guiding it nets you a Brandon Wee-done or a Jeff George. I won't hold Kizer guilty to the flops of the other ND bums Quinn and Clausen pickle, but I have an aversion to Golden Domers. Plus, I have to trust my own eyes. The times I've watched Kaiser he's pretty much sucked. Trubisky or bust. No interest in Watson or Kizer. If we're going developmental, give me Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Other than the bad arm comment, I'm with Rooster. A rocket arm with no brain guiding it nets you a Brandon Wee-done or a Jeff George. I won't hold Kizer guilty to the flops of the other ND bums Quinn and Clausen pickle, but I have an aversion to Golden Domers. Plus, I have to trust my own eyes. The times I've watched Kaiser he's pretty much sucked. Trubisky or bust. No interest in Watson or Kizer. If we're going developmental, give me Mahomes. Ok, his "brains" are considered an asset, so we'll bypass that. We'll bypass the personal Notre Dame thing, doesn't mean a damn thing. You say you've watched him and he "sucked". OK. I'll respect that. The one time I watched Trub he kinda sucked too. Kizer looked like the big classic pocket passer to me, with ideal size and mobility to boot. His problem has been inconsistency, that is a tag on Trub too. Watson seems like the "safe" pick, Kizer seems the most pro-ready and best athlete, Trub has a tantalizing arm and a high ceiling. I ain't going with the safe guy. And from what I've seen and read of Kizer and Trub, I am significantly more impressed with Kizer as pro prospect. So ... you go ahead and go "Trub or Bust" ... I'm going to respectfully disagree, Kizer is easily at the top of the three for me, but I could see the Browns liking any of them. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Most men do in the mornings Ah....maybe one player the Browns have in mind does Who is that top FA? Cialis Campbell DE currently with the Cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 Not sure why yet another QB thread has to be turned into a Trubs debate, but whatever... On Kizer... I was in this "Kamp" early. My basis was a holdover memory of Kizer's 2015 play. In the little I saw in 2016 there was no drop off that I could not attribute to inferior talent around him. Then I broke down his tape and promptly folded my tent. His release is too slow. His wandering throwing motion is too elongated. It's not even close to being adequate. For a comparison I needed to look no further than Josh McCown. In the end it will render every positive attribute he has, or develops, moot. And no, it cannot be fixed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted March 2, 2017 Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 I like Trubisky better but I'm perfectly content to roll with Kessler (or Griffin) and use the pick to develop the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted March 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2017 And no, it cannot be fixed... Because .... ? Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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