Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 according to a bunch of fucking idiots. Passing Yards: 12th TD's: T-18th Interceptions: T-1st Completion Percentage: 16th Passer Rating: 10th Yards/Attempt: 12th Yards/Game: 15th Longest Pass: 6th Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric. Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat: Yds/Game: 31st Yds/Play: 32nd 3rd down %: 18th 1st downs: 30th Pts/game: 24th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkid3 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I cosign this powerful thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Can't wait to read the Johnny Fucktard fanboy responses. It should provide a few laughs. Diehards sure to weigh in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I was about to tell you to choke on a dick and die. But you tricked me! Facts and logic do not work on the johhny cock suckers. There's no hope for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdawg2010 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Look. I'll be the first to say I like the Johnny Manziel pick. I will also say that I agree with the Browns going with Hoyer as the starter given the glimpse we saw of him last season. Not to mention he is a hometown guy, which is a cool back story itself. We don't need to kill another QB by putting him in before he is ready, something this franchise has been notorious for doing since they returned in 1999. I'm hoping for a scenario down the road similar to Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers, Joe Montana/Steve Young. In short, let Johnny sit, learn and develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzielbeingpersecuted Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Stats don't win games. Ask Lebron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osiris Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 according to a bunch of fucking idiots. Passing Yards: 12th TD's: T-18th Interceptions: T-1st Completion Percentage: 16th Passer Rating: 10th Yards/Attempt: 12th Yards/Game: 15th Longest Pass: 6th Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric. Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat: Yds/Game: 31st Yds/Play: 32nd 3rd down %: 18th 1st downs: 30th Pts/game: 24th Amazingly third-down percentage is the best number and it was one of the defenses biggest weaknesses last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Stats don't win games. Ask Lebron. Hype doesn't win either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It isn't Hoyer. The D is just not playing up to snuff. And the one play JM was involved actually worked well except the rook West was somehow flagged. Too bad. Mo was on our side at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Stats don't win games. Ask Lebron. And college hype doesn't win in the NFL either. Just ask Jamarcus Russell. Manziel has potential, but as long as Hoyer is playing like he is, Johnny Football sits. Get used to the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 according to a bunch of fucking idiots. Excellent slight of hand... Do you do kids' birthday parties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBC mike Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 It isn't Hoyer. The D is just not playing up to snuff. And the one play JM was involved actually worked well except the rook West was somehow flagged. Too bad. Mo was on our side at that point. So are you a browns fan or riding the hoyer train? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 manziel himself prefers this current arrangement so the issue is moot. I'm really starting to like that kid btw. It really looks like he gets it now. Being a rockstar in the NFL takes time and dedication and right now he's in a good spot where there's no pressure on him and he can go out when the coach wants to dial up a special play..and just play free. All the pressure is on Hoyer and he's playing like iceman. Hoyer is the starter for the rest of the season even if we continue to lose. I only see JF getting a few starts towards the end of the season when it doesn't matter..just so we see his progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Stats don't win games. Ask Lebron. There's a newly listed, life size Johnny Football sex doll on eBay............... and it has a Buy-It-Now option!! You better hurry, before it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 I think Hoyer has done a very good job. He has given the team a chance to win in every game. He is protecting the ball and managing the offense. Yesterdays game falls on the special teams. Billy used to kick for the Cowboys years ago and he sucked. Yesterday confirms that he still sucks. A few things i didnt like. Gabriel has to score on the deep pass.He falls down for no reason and was too slow to run into the endzone. Haden reminds me of Newman. Great corner until someone tests them last in games. The Manziel trick play...really? You spent time practicing a play that was illegal? Come on Shanny, thats amature shit. Miles still looks great. I just said this same thing to my brother on a short ride in the car today. Seriously how the F does our OC not know a play he puts in and spends practice time on is illegal?? That is some dime store amateur crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Seriously how the F does our OC not know a play he puts in and spends practice time on is illegal?? That is some dime store amateur crap .. or our HC... or... I think it was Wilbon that called it a High School play today on PTI. Play like a Brown needs to start with Play-calling like a Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 most of my complaints thus far come from the sidelines. everyone wants to bitch about haden gilbert the run D blah blah blah... but pettine supposedly earned his keep calling great defensive schemes. with the talent we have on paper he is not (or o'brien as well) to that end of the stick. shanny has an ego problem and if he doesn't stop trying to out do every other OC with some stupid calls he needs a stern talking too. i trust this staff has it in them to turn it around and i think haslam knows now that he has to give a staff more than one year to prove themselves. really though we've been at the cusp of being great for 3-4 years now and no one seems to be able to pull each side of the ball together to get us over the hump. a couple of plays this way and that and we are 3-0. but that has been said for the last couple of years as well. time for someone to STOP THE FUCKING NONSENSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 So are you a browns fan or riding the hoyer train? I'm a Browns fan and Hoyer is doing exactly what staff is asking of him. So the answer is both. This was a very winable game and we did not lose because of QB play. It was a team effort. I am very disappointed the D is not playing as well as I expected. But Pettine being a D coach I expect that to change in short order. I expect a rook like Gilbert to struggle in year one. I did not expect Haden would struggle as much considering the contract he got and said he would live up to. Right now that isn't happening. Also could someone explain to me how the trick play was illegal? Why did the refs cite West and not JM or the bench if it was illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I just said this same thing to my brother on a short ride in the car today. Seriously how the F does our OC not know a play he puts in and spends practice time on is illegal?? That is some dime store amateur crap Although I was totally against it, to be fair even the commentators mentioned the rule they broke was a really obscure unknown one. The refs on the field didn't call it and it took an expert several minutes later to even bring it up. Again though, I don't understand why Shanny doesn't just keep damn momentum going sometimes. You want to try something like that early in the first quarter or when you need a spark down a couple TD's? Fine. But don't interrupt a well-oiled offense to be cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Also could someone explain to me how the trick play was illegal? Why did the refs cite West and not JM or the bench if it was illegal? Apparently you're not allowed to line up within 15(?) yards of the sidelines when in front of the benches - that is, within the 30 yard lines. I'd never heard of the rule, and the refs basically forgot about it, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 156 pass attempts without a pick.290 yds against the Ravens.No Josh Gordon.Hoyer is playing well enough to stick around IMO. No way in hell Johnny plays this consistent when he does get his chance, it would help if Hoyer can be good for another 2-3 years and then develop Johnny Football in that timetable.Still early in the year tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think Hoyer has done a very good job. He has given the team a chance to win in every game. He is protecting the ball and managing the offense. Yesterdays game falls on the special teams. Billy used to kick for the Cowboys years ago and he sucked. Yesterday confirms that he still sucks. A few things i didnt like. Gabriel has to score on the deep pass.He falls down for no reason and was too slow to run into the endzone. Haden reminds me of Newman. Great corner until someone tests them last in games. The Manziel trick play...really? You spent time practicing a play that was illegal? Come on Shanny, thats amature shit. Miles still looks great. Another classic shan-anigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I like shanny though. I hope he sticks around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 My gripe with the offense is that Shanny seems to have a need to be too cute by half. When we have mo', we need to keep it going, not run a slow-developing reverse that ends with Suggs staring at our sideline going "Are you fucking kidding me?" Right now we are not a disciplined team. What was it, 12 penalties against the Ravens? 12 men in the defensive huddle? 3 fucking times?!? I look at the score box at the beginning of the 4th quarter and we have 1 timeout left. Our run defense is non-existent. Fourth string RB hits through the line untouched--doesn't have to make an evasive move until he's already run 4 or 5 yards. Hoyer is not a candidate for MVP by any stretch of the imagination, but he's doing what our recent QB's have painfully demonstrated that they are incapable of: managing the offense, seeing the field, leading. NO TURNOVERS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_brown Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 manziel himself prefers this current arrangement so the issue is moot. I'm really starting to like that kid btw. It really looks like he gets it now. Being a rockstar in the NFL takes time and dedication and right now he's in a good spot where there's no pressure on him and he can go out when the coach wants to dial up a special play..and just play free. All the pressure is on Hoyer and he's playing like iceman. Hoyer is the starter for the rest of the season even if we continue to lose. I only see JF getting a few starts towards the end of the season when it doesn't matter..just so we see his progress. when it doesn't matter....??? that's confidence for you..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hoyer is playing very very well... He's going to make a nice buck if he can play like this all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J0hnnybg00d Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Brian Hoyer is the fuckin man, i told you sons a bitchs this months ago. And as far as the Browns go, he is our mvp (coulda been Crow but they won't feed him the ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_brown Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 according to a bunch of fucking idiots. Passing Yards: 12th TD's: T-18th Interceptions: T-1st Completion Percentage: 16th Passer Rating: 10th Yards/Attempt: 12th Yards/Game: 15th Longest Pass: 6th Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric. Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat: Yds/Game: 31st Yds/Play: 32nd 3rd down %: 18th 1st downs: 30th Pts/game: 24th all the statistics you chose don't mean shit...the only statistic that counts is the ave. number of wins per game....right now the average nfl qb has won 1.5 games out of 3 played....hoyer has 1 out of 3...so he's below average in the only stat that means anything......hopefully, that will improve...but he's got to win the next game just to be an average nfl quarterback.....pretty sure that's the way pettine looks at it.....all this coming close bullshit is just that....it's winning that matters..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding. We are losing to a very overrated defense. In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_brown Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding. We are losing to a very overrated defense. In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt. for sake of argument, one could easily point out that manziel won last year, went to a post season bowl game and won that too, with the worst defense in his league...sometimes the offense has to make up for the defense's shortcomings....just being "statistically" good doesn't feed the bulldog....you have to find a way to win.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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