Umadogg1 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work. Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations. And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst. How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work. Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations. And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst. How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player? There's really no debate- I'd call it a standoff, and you're not going to change Gip's mind. There's no right or wrong in the discussion. You think your commodity is worth X, and Gip (and most Browns fans) thinks it's worth Y. Garropolo and McCarron are far from being the Browns only options. So tough if we think the Browns FO just may value another commodity higher at the given asking price. & FWIW, based on last year they seem to highly value draft picks. It's as simple as this to my mind. You're saying (maybe) the Bengals shopped McCarron last year. Didn't get what you wanted. No difference to someone putting a house up for sale at $250,000 and all the offers came in at $150,000. So you decide to keep the house. Looks like you overvalued the house, or just maybe you think you're going to get what you want next year. Personally, I wouldn't count on it. Takes two to agree on a price, and you and me aren't the ones handling the negotiations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gipper---Nobody gives a crap what you personally would do. You're just some traffic court judge hiding in his office avoiding work. Constantly tossing out low ball offers is just another way of avoiding serious debate. A bunch of fanboys pretending how tough they'd be in negotiations. And small wonder you're in favor of drafting Trubisky 1st overall, the one strategy that everyone from Polian to Casserly to King agrees is the worst. How many times are you guys going to convince yourself you're being smart by drafting the lesser player? Of course nobody in a position of power in the Browns gives a shit what I think.....and they give even less of a shit about what you think. Your overinflation of the value of certain commodities is BY NO MEANS guaranteed to happen. And you have never, ever apparently engaged in any serious kind of negotiation....the kind that I do all the time as an attorney. In EVERY negotiation there is ALWAYS a lowball offer made. I mean, clearly you never learned this in your job as a garbage collector. And....fyi, both Polian and Casserly also said that drafting the QBs last year high....Wentz and Goff....was a bad strategy. Now we know how certain NFL FOs took their advice to heart, don't we. And...you, nor I have no fucking clue who the lesser player is going to be. I mean, clearly the Browns have drafted lesser players than they projected they were drafting. I mean, you are really doing your best Ace Ventura impression...talking out of your ass and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I hear Trubinsky is very raw. Again....the only knock anyone has ever said against him is that he is "inexperienced". Sure, he is that. You got anything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Youre dead on. Belichick wont give Garropolo away like Jamie Collins and Chandler Jones. If no team steps up now BB will just wait until pre season and see if another Teddy Twatwater situation arises. Look for Garrapolo to get a lot of snaps in pre season games. Backups get lots of preseason snaps... Revelatory post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Im guessing JG gets more than usual. Jacoby Brissett may get more yet. If they do trade JG somewhere before the season...which they may try to do, then he will be out of their picture and Brissett may be in. If they don't trade JG, they may still give Brissett tons of reps....as they may still try to move JG even during the preseason...(as you say...in case someone loses their QB and IS willing to pay a high price for him ala Bradford)...and they will still want to groom Brissett in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Jeez oh Pete! 23 pages on New England's shitty backup Quarterback. For fucks sake. Just Draft Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gipper---We agree your opinion is worthless. No need to belabor the point by admitting you're an attorney. As long as you stick to trivia you can still be a contributing member of society. boo - Yeah, if raw is another way of saying Trubisky is a 1-year wonder with game(s) of bad tape. Gipper - You should write a post about low balling the Patriots for Brissett. You'll win the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Gipper---We agree your opinion is worthless. No need to belabor the point by admitting you're an attorney. As long as you stick to trivia you can still be a contributing member of society. How many times a day do you suck on your mother's titty in order to avoid your feelings of insecurity. boo - Yeah, if raw is another way of saying Trubisky is a 1-year wonder with game(s) of bad tape. If by bad you mean: strong, pin point accurate arm, poise, mobility, able to read through his progressions, big, physical, can throw from the pocket or on the run. Yea, Bad. Michael Jackson bad. Gipper - You should write a post about low balling the Patriots for Brissett. You'll win the internet. Just what is your fucking agenda? \ Do you really care if the Browns trade for JG? Do you really want the Browns to trade with your pathetic Bengals franchise for McCarron? He may be a decent backup....3rd or 4th round value. Are you wanting to weaken that team by getting rid of their backup? Your Bengals will suck badly soon enough...why try to push them there any earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's Halftime. We will be offering $9 beers for $4 Bucks. 100k discounts on all Housing Sales. All money discounts will be split fairly between Peter King.Cabot,Polian & Casserly. Buttered Popcorn for everyone..Under 70 days till Browns on Clock..Yippee!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's Halftime. We will be offering $9 beers for $4 Bucks. 100k discounts on all Housing Sales. All money discounts will be split fairly between Peter King.Cabot,Polian & Casserly. Buttered Popcorn for everyone..Under 70 days till Browns on Clock..Yippee!! Actually....the Browns are on the clock right now...aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 LOL! Look at young Tom Brady at the 2000 combine... Man, goes to show that it's all about the work that you put in. All that matters is the love of the game, the body type, the arm strength, the accuracy and the wheels are all a good starting point but what really counts is- Is the player willing to put in the work necessary, are they willing to sacrifice their time and body to become great? The X's and O's can be taught to one willing to learn... and in the NFL they will receive their master's degree in NFL offense and defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 14 college starts. Too risky. Yet, better than anyone else that has started any more. Certainly it is a future investment. But I seem to remember the Cavaliers invested in a raw high school kid out of St. Vincent St. Mary. If there is talent...there is talent....raw, inexperienced or not. You go for talent. Particularly where you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I some games his numbers are very good. http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/545238/mitch-trubisky I bet he slides and is there at 33. I accept that bet. You are a Boston area guy. And a fish guy. My wife and I will be in Boston area early June. If MT is drafted before #33....you will pay for our seafood dinner there in Boston. I have my eye on the Chart House restaurant there on the Long Wharf. If he drops to #33 or beyond, I pay for yours. I am already going to be fed Mexican and Margaritas by Atenears if he goes before #10. What say you. http://www.chart-house.com/locations/boston/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 AJ McCarron sucks a bag of dicks and we're not trading for him, no matter how much you suck his boner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper --- I told my mom what you wrote about sucking her tit. She said she was up for it and doesn't care if you're an attorney. Timmy Couch --- I told my attorney what you wrote about sucking a bag of dicks. He said that's how you become a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper --- I told my mom what you wrote about sucking her tit. She said she was up for it and doesn't care if you're an attorney. Timmy Couch --- I told my attorney what you wrote about sucking a bag of dicks. He said that's how you become a judge. Tweet!!Tweet!!We have dual gross misconduct penalties. Both on Umadogg. Both will be in-forced on Team McCrackASSKaren.. Play on ya loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 He's just upset that George HW Bush was the last president to see the bengals win a playoff game. 26 years later and the bengals are still a water trash franchise wallowing in irrelevancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm sure we've all read stories about how the Browns would be interested in A.J. McCarron, but the fact remains that the Bengals don't historically trade within the division. I'm sure it's HAPPENED a few times, but I can't think of anything recent, and I'm struggling to think of any between them and the Browns. Would they REALLY want to take the risk of a division rival FINALLY getting their franchise QB? The only way I could POSSIBLY see a deal done is the Bengals being 99% sure A.J. completely sucks. Still, I don't see any chance of this happening. I'm not going to say whether or not the kid "sucks" or not, but I will say it's much easier to play QB for a playoff team, and I believe when A.J. played, the Bengals had winning records. Playing QB for the Browns is a COMPLETELY different story...as we all know. Now, using that same logic, people will probably say, "Well if THAT'S true, why do you want Garoppolo?!" I want HIM because I liked him coming out of college. I liked his quick delivery, his accuracy, his ability to process information and get the ball out quickly. Getting the ball out quickly is the "money statistic" for QB's in my opinion. Guess who was basically LAST in the league at getting the ball from center to receivers? Tyrod Taylor. That's the biggest reason I don't see us going after him, and that's also the biggest reason I see us going whole-hog after Garoppolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper --- I told my mom what you wrote about sucking her tit. She said she was up for it and doesn't care if you're an attorney. Timmy Couch --- I told my attorney what you wrote about sucking a bag of dicks. He said that's how you become a judge. When did you take a trip to hell to talk to her....because that is where your mother is, no? Sucking cocks in hell? I notice you don't reveal your profession. You are probably a chip off the old block and are a professional cocksucker. (though...more likely it is more of a hobby for you after a hard day of garbage collection) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm sure we've all read stories about how the Browns would be interested in A.J. McCarron, but the fact remains that the Bengals don't historically trade within the division. I'm sure it's HAPPENED a few times, but I can't think of anything recent, and I'm struggling to think of any between them and the Browns. Would they REALLY want to take the risk of a division rival FINALLY getting their franchise QB? The only way I could POSSIBLY see a deal done is the Bengals being 99% sure A.J. completely sucks. Still, I don't see any chance of this happening. I'm not going to say whether or not the kid "sucks" or not, but I will say it's much easier to play QB for a playoff team, and I believe when A.J. played, the Bengals had winning records. Playing QB for the Browns is a COMPLETELY different story...as we all know. Now, using that same logic, people will probably say, "Well if THAT'S true, why do you want Garoppolo?!" I want HIM because I liked him coming out of college. I liked his quick delivery, his accuracy, his ability to process information and get the ball out quickly. Getting the ball out quickly is the "money statistic" for QB's in my opinion. Guess who was basically LAST in the league at getting the ball from center to receivers? Tyrod Taylor. That's the biggest reason I don't see us going after him, and that's also the biggest reason I see us going whole-hog after Garoppolo. I asked Uma--Oprah--Uma--Oprah to come up with a single instance of a trade between the Browns and Bengals. He has yet to name one...more or less one involving a QB. In fact, the only player that I recall that played for both Browns and Bengals was Eric Steinbach.....and he was a FA. I am sure there are others....but off the top of my head I cannot recall any. In fact....look at this link. In history as far as I can tell, no person has ever played QB for both the Browns and the Bengals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cincinnati_Bengals_starting_quarterbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Looks like the Bears are shopping Cutler. The GM went to the same college as JG. So....are you going to ignore the fact that I took you up on the offer of a bet? Hmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I asked Uma--Oprah--Uma--Oprah to come up with a single instance of a trade between the Browns and Bengals. He has yet to name one...more or less one involving a QB. In fact, the only player that I recall that played for both Browns and Bengals was Eric Steinbach.....and he was a FA. I am sure there are others....but off the top of my head I cannot recall any. In fact....look at this link. In history as far as I can tell, no person has ever played QB for both the Browns and the Bengals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cincinnati_Bengals_starting_quarterbacks Dansby. Hawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Dansby. Hawkins. Yep. No trades involved with those however, right? Both FAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 jiggins---You and Gipper must share a brain cell as both of you seem to think other teams fear the brownies so much they won't trade with you. Truth is nobody cares about the Browns and nobody would fear a trade coming back to haunt them. You're irrelevant, right? Far more likely is McCarron would arrive in Cleveland and slightly upgrade the QB play for a year or two until Hue gets fired. Then a few years later everyone fades into obscurity ala a modern day version of Dick Shiner. boo---I've repeatedly been told playing for the Browns is a completely different story. What that means is anyone guess, but Cutler to Cleveland is a chapter that simply must be written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 jiggins---You and Gipper must share a brain cell as both of you seem to think other teams fear the brownies so much they won't trade with you. Truth is nobody cares about the Browns and nobody would fear a trade coming back to haunt them. You are so fucking clueless it is becoming hilarious. It isn't fear....it is just the way things operate. If you don't understand that...there is no help for you. You would rather lie when the truth would serve you better. You're irrelevant, right? Far more likely is McCarron would arrive in Cleveland and slightly upgrade the QB play for a year or two until Hue gets fired. Then a few years later everyone fades into obscurity ala a modern day version of Dick Shiner. Why are YOU so anxious to get rid of McCarron. This is like the third time I have asked this question. Are you too craven to reply to that football question? boo---I've repeatedly been told playing for the Browns is a completely different story. What that means is anyone guess, but Cutler to Cleveland is a chapter that simply must be written. That won't happen. If the Browns wanted a mid 30s some QB who cannot win they just would have kept Josh McCown. They won't take Cutler, they won't take Romo. They won't take any of the over the hill gang. If they trade for someone, or go for a QB in FA...it will be a younger guy. Taylor, age 27, Garropolo age 25. Glennon age 27, Foles age 28....something on that order. Not the 34-5 year old Cutler. They ARE looking for a QB of the future, not a QB of the past. It is why Griffin at age 27 is still highly in play Surem even McCarron at age 26would fit into their age group....more than Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper---Back in the day you used to know what my profession was, but I assume old age and drink have robbed you of your memory. Happily, I know both lawyers and brownie fans often drink to forget so I have to assume this is all part of your grand plan to live with 1-15. BTW, my mother is still alive and looking forward to having a lawyer suck her tit. Said it would probably be the first time in your life you were useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper---Back in the day you used to know what my profession was, but I assume old age and drink have robbed you of your memory. Happily, I know both lawyers and brownie fans often drink to forget so I have to assume this is all part of your grand plan to live with 1-15. BTW, my mother is still alive and looking forward to having a lawyer suck her tit. Said it would probably be the first time in your life you were useful. It would be the irst time in her life that she was useful. Certainly birthing you was her biggest failure in life. And you are right....who gives a shit what job you have. Clearly it is probably shoveling shit. And yet...you still refuse to answer the legitimate football questions posed: why are you so anxious to get rid of McCarron. I assume your failure to answer deals with the fact that cowardice was bred in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umadogg1 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper---You've written a dozen posts claiming intra division trades won't happen but you're too stupid to come up with a reason why. Initially you implyed it was because teams were too afraid of helping a rival but now you claim fear has nothing to do with it. Rather, you now say trades don't happen just because. As for Cutler, I would have expected you to express some interest in him, but always using your familiar low ball ravings. Instead, without any prompting from me you admit McCarron would be a far better fit. Next, I'm not anxious to get rid of McCarron and apparently neither are the Bengals. But by all accounts he is being offered in trade for the right price and if the Bengals can get their asking price I won't care a bit where he goes, including Cleveland. Because Cleveland is where careers go to die in higher paid obscurity. Last, you mention RG3 is still very much in play in Cleveland. Myself, I have nothing to add to this, and only wanted to repeat it because it pleases me so much to do so. (RG3 is your future.) That said, didn't your beloved Mary Kay write recently about the likelihood of the Browns releasing RG3 in March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Gipper---You've written a dozen posts claiming intra division trades won't happen but you're too stupid to come up with a reason why. Initially you implyed it was because teams were too afraid of helping a rival but now you claim fear has nothing to do with it. Rather, you now say trades don't happen just because. You are really, really incapable of reading the English language. Either that or you have short term memory loss. The reason why is simple...and was stated at the outset by me and any number of others here: Intradivision teams don't want to provide there rivals. with any help...at all. It may not be "fear" per se....but it is just gamesmanship. They don't want to give their rivals any possible advantage, edge, ergo, no intradivision trades. Again....show me where one single trade has ever been made between the Browns and Bengals. As for Cutler, I would have expected you to express some interest in him, but always using your familiar low ball ravings. Instead, without any prompting from me you admit McCarron would be a far better fit. Why would I express interest in Cutler? It is just some fantasy of yours that I would do so. Plus...it is as plain as the nose on your face that McCarron would likely be a better fit. Simply age and attitude makes him so. But that does not mean I have any interest in McCarron, or that the Browns do. But he would be a better fit. If he played for a non AFCN team....chances of great interest in him would be much higher. Would the Browns be afraid to make the trade for him? Not likely. But you are wrong on what you think the Bengals think. Next, I'm not anxious to get rid of McCarron and apparently neither are the Bengals. But by all accounts he is being offered in trade for the right price and if the Bengals can get their asking price I won't care a bit where he goes, including Cleveland. Because Cleveland is where careers go to die in higher paid obscurity. Well then why dwell on McCarron coming to the Browns? I mean...unless and until it happens, just STFU about it. (and it won't happen because teams don't make intradivision trades) Last, you mention RG3 is still very much in play in Cleveland. Myself, I have nothing to add to this, and only wanted to repeat it because it pleases me so much to do so. (RG3 is your future.) He could be in play because Hue apparently likes him...and thinks he can do something with him. But not many here are high on his future. Too brittle. But he would not be the future. The Browns will acquire another QB, possibly with a high draft pick. So, RG would be a stop gap...at best...in the opinion of most here. That said, didn't your beloved Mary Kay write recently about the likelihood of the Browns releasing RG3 in March? Mary Kay is a well known idiot who throws shit out there to see if anything sticks. Maybe a third of what she says/speculates sticks. Oh, sure, it could happen. They could dump RG. But I have my doubts. And I doubt they do it unless they do pick up another young veteran QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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