Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Football Outsiders says Hoyer and Pennington are very similar players. In that respect, I pulled this from Pennington's Wikipedia. This sounds oddly familiar. Knock on wood. Entering the 2006 season, Pennington trained with new throwing coaches, and worked significantly on the strength of his torso and throwing mechanics. During training camp, new head coach Eric Mangini told players and the press that the quarterback position was still uncertain, and that all four Jets quarterbacks (Chad Pennington, Patrick Ramsey, Brooks Bollinger, and Kellen Clemens) had a chance to be the starter. Also, the Jets medical staff had continued to limit Pennington's play, placing him on a limited number of throws to ensure the safety of his shoulder. Pennington won the Jets pre-season quarterback competition, and started the 2006 season in apparent pre-injury form. For the first time in his career, Pennington posted back-to-back 300-yard passing games in the first two weeks of the season. Pennington's Week One performance against Tennessee earned him AFC Offensive Player of the Week honors. In Week 15 in Minnesota, Pennington passed for a career high 339 yards. Pennington would go on to reach career highs for the season in completions, passing attempts, and passing yardage with 3,352 yards, starting all sixteen games for the first time. Although his lack of arm strength was often criticized, Pennington's abilities fit well into the new offense instituted by offensive coordinatorBrian Schottenheimer. Using a short passing game and taking advantage of the "yards after catch" ability of wide receivers Laveranues Coles,Jerricho Cotchery, and running back Leon Washington, Pennington led the Jets to a 10–6 record and a playoff berth as a wild card team, after a 4-12 mark in 2005. The Jets took on the Patriots in their lone playoff game. The Jets lost 37–16, with Pennington passing for 300 yards and a touchdown. With the start, Pennington also became the Jets' all-time leader in postseason starts by a quarterback with five. For his stellar season, Pennington was awarded the Comeback Player of the Year Award, just one year after tearing his rotator cuff. He received 27 of the 50 votes cast, finishing far ahead of the 8.5 votes received by second-place finisher Drew Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Chad P had never crossed my mind... but he should have. Sound comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think its a bad comparison Chad Pennington has 0 arm velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think its a bad comparison Chad Pennington has 0 arm velocity. Post injury, yes, but prior to that, very similar.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Ill get slayed for saying it....and Im not implying Hoyer will have the same type of career......BUT.... ....there was this guy who was a fairly decent college QB and got drafted....mmmm 4th round, I believe, with no fanfare.....average size 6-2, about 210....exactly the same as Hoyer.....had a so so arm, accurate enough, average strength....just like Hoyer.....pretty smart too......like Hoyer......then he got on a great TEAM with a great offensive system......maybe like Hoyer?.....and he had similar weapons too....always had good(not great) numbers....like Hoyer......TD's in the teen and low interception rate(good decision maker)(like Hoyer).....BUT the one thing he had that you cant measure was a certain calm and "the knack for winning".....he just won.....and maybe, just possibly....Hoyer has the same knack....sure seems like it...all 6-2 with a team that only wins when he plays...and the guy? Montana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I think its a bad comparison Chad Pennington has 0 arm velocity. I think the comparison lies morein the return from injury and the way he took care of the ball. Pennington never put up gaudy numbers, but threw something like 46 TDs and 30 INTs over the next three years and won like 22 games in that same span. He certainly wasn't the best, but he was a mildly unassuming quarterback who was basically just a facilitator. He got his teams to the playoffs despite not being an All-Star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way. Offenses are certainly similar... O-lines are comparable... Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West... Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet... Nope... no slaying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Eater Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombo Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Ill get slayed for saying it....and Im not implying Hoyer will have the same type of career......BUT.... ....there was this guy who was a fairly decent college QB and got drafted....mmmm 4th round, I believe, with no fanfare.....average size 6-2, about 210....exactly the same as Hoyer.....had a so so arm, accurate enough, average strength....just like Hoyer.....pretty smart too......like Hoyer......then he got on a great TEAM with a great offensive system......maybe like Hoyer?.....and he had similar weapons too....always had good(not great) numbers....like Hoyer......TD's in the teen and low interception rate(good decision maker)(like Hoyer).....BUT the one thing he had that you cant measure was a certain calm and "the knack for winning".....he just won.....and maybe, just possibly....Hoyer has the same knack....sure seems like it...all 6-2 with a team that only wins when he plays...and the guy? Montana I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor. Zombo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I mean for real. I'm so fucking tired of these stats fgts, I wanna shit in their mouth. Literally. Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 No slaying here... even tho a Joe comparison never crossed my mind. For one thing I'm remembering Joe being bigger and his arm being stronger... not contesting your statements, but my memory is in the way. Offenses are certainly similar... O-lines are comparable... Tate isn't there yet, but he could become Roger Craig-ish... so might West... Ditto for Gordon not being Rice... yet... Nope... no slaying... yep....if you really think about it, the teams, players, offensive coaching and QB's all compare nicely......and Montana lived off a solid running game and short, quick passing game.....rice/gordon.......clark/cameron......craig/Tate-Crowell.....their line/our line........walsh/shanahan....etc etc etc....there are a lot of comparables between the teams..... I'm not slaying you for that. Joe was a little quicker on his feet and little more accurate on the short stuff, but size-wise and cerebral-wise very similar with the all elusive "It" factor. Zombo Yes....you're right there....he wasn't a great runner, but he could pull it out when needed..... But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicIsForSquares Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Pennington was pretty good before the injury bug hit. However, I am a biased Marshall fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 ...clark/Cameron... But you did tap my main point.....which was the "IT" factor.....no flash, just victories.....and Montana didn't win games alone.....he got the ball to Rice/Clark/Craig and THEY won the games as a team..... Clark / Cam is a good addition... Would love to know Walsh's opinion of BH. Bill spotted the "it" in Montana when no one else did... Now we just need a Walsh/Niners D... Seriously, emulating Walsh's 9ers after 15 years would just be too ironic given the make up of the first FO in '99... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 ... he could pull it out... Say it ain't so, Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Clark / Cam is a good addition... Would love to know Walsh's opinion of BH. Bill spotted the "it" in Montana when no one else did... Now we just need a Walsh/Niners D... Seriously, emulating Walsh's 9ers after 15 years would just be too ironic given the make up of the first FO in '99... yeah...no Ronnie Lotts or Fred Deans on our roster either.....yet....they took a few years to come together too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted October 16, 2014 Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 I'm going to make a difference case in who I think the guy stacks up to: Eli Manning. Honestly, take a minute and think of Manning's career. It's really unassuming overall despite the dude being a two time super bowl winning QB. He's never thrown for more than 31td's in a season in his career, always hovers around the high 50's-low 60's in completion%, and outside of 2011 throws around 4,000 yds. What makes Eli great (maybe not lately, but in the prime years), is just winning games when they matter in crunch time. Hoyer has shown on multiple occasions now that he has this same, so called "it" factor to him. The only difference is Eli turns the ball over way more than Hoyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted October 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2014 Football outsiders are a bunch of nerds. Not everything can be explained by statistics. Eat shit football outsiders. Stats fuck your mother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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