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I think we finally have a Front Office that will take a chance to improve & I am excited with this move. What I was afraid of most was that we would wait until the 3rd & one of the already solid teams would jump on him late in the 2nd. I have literally no doubt that would have happened had we waited.

Look at it this way...we didn't wait, hoping they were there later, for T Rich, Weeden, Schwartz, & now Gordon. I applaud this aggressive Team building.....It's long over due, but it's happening NOW!

Mike

 

Aaaah, I'm excited, but the last time I was this excited was when we picked up Big Baby, Stallworth and Williams(?).

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d82a79e95/Josh-Gordon-hopes-NFL-team-will-take-a-chance?module=HP11_content_stream

 

Interview with Josh Gordon... seems like a good kid... Now I really can't wait for the season to start!!!

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He does seem like a guy that realizes he made a mistake and doesn't want to repeat what happened. Let's hope he's as genuine as he's coming off. This guy makes us better. I said it a few days ago and I can finally set it in stone now that he's a Brown.

 

 

The Browns will make the playoffs this year.

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I figure that Washington, New England, Ratbirds and Squeelers, Eagles... a lot of teams

 

would have nabbed him in the later round - before the Browns had another chance.

 

Kid seems a whole lot more wise, and a good one.

 

Really nice, smart move by the Browns.

 

Playoffs? Browns? You're kidding?

 

I'm not. The Browns have added real solutions to the weaknesses on the roster.

 

This next season is going to be a LOT of FUN !

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12 - 4

 

12 - 4

 

12 - 4

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The only thing I'm worried about, is our luck on WR's in the 2nd round.

 

We keep drafting more WR's in the 2nd round to replace past 2nd round WR failures.

 

I think we've had like 7 to 9 2nd round WR's and so far none have panned out (Little is still pending).

 

Johnson,

Northcutt

Q

Davis

Robiskie

Massaquoi

 

Anyone name any other 2nd round WR's we've failed on?

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I liked Johnson and Northcutt. Momass is still pending but Little is the real deal. Just wait until Gordon gets hot, who will the Defense cover? Cameron and Moore running around with Little and Gordon streaking and cutting, Travis zipping around and Cribbs taking the snap... LMAO this is gonna be a great time. My pizza and wings and beer are going to taste sooo sweet and amazing after a decade of heartache. I'm ready, are you ready Believeland?~~!

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I'm drinking it. We got T Rich and a No. 1 stolen from the 2nd round of the supp. draft.

 

Pass the kool-aid around.

 

HERE WE GO BROWNIES HERE WE GO

 

 

:D - Hell ya! ...Easy on your mancrush... :wub::lol:

 

This is the time of year when it feels like Christmas for me. Everyone is 0-0 and tied for first place. Miracles can happen and hope springs eternal, everything is high fives and smiles around Brownstown. God, THANK YOU! - I love being a Browns fan!!!

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Gordon won't start in Week 1 unless he shows up and is ready to go. He'll be starting by no later than Week 6 or 7, though. Might be like Little and take a few weeks in a less pivotal role then shine through once they've gotten back into the swing of football at a high level.

 

 

That being said, wouldn't it be sweet if we pulled a 1999 Rams? They went from 4-12 to the Super Bowl. They got a QB (Warner), a WR (Holt), and a RB (Faulk) all that year and it all clicked with the receiver they already had (Bruce.) What if this is the 2012 Browns? We have the WR on the roster (Little), we got the stud running back (Richardson), we nabbed an older QB no one believed in (Weeden), and we got a stud rookie receiver with huge upside (Gordon). Not that I'm saying it will happen, but maybe it's time for us to catch lightning in a bottle for once.

 

 

 

The greatest show on turf is about to come to Cleveland.

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Looks like he has his head on straight too.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/07/josh_gordon_cleveland_browns_n.html

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- New Browns rookie receiver Josh Gordon promised Thursday to stay clean and repay the Browns for taking a chance on him in the second round of the supplemental draft.

 

"Despite everything I've been through, despite being a kid with a spotty background, the Cleveland Browns stuck their neck out and risked taking me and put their faith and belief in me, and I won't let them down," Gordon said in a phone interview. "I'm grateful, and I know I can't go back to being the person I used to be."

 

Gordon's arduous journey to the Browns began in October 2010 when he was in the midst of a solid sophomore season for Baylor. Following a big victory, Gordon attended a party with teammate Willie Jefferson, and the two later were arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana charge after falling asleep in a fast-food drive-through.

 

The next day, Gordon tested positive for marijuana, marking the beginning of the end of his Baylor career.

"From there, it was just a whirlwind of bad things," he said.

 

Gordon was permitted to finish the season because it was his first offense, but Jefferson was kicked off the team because it was his second. Still, Baylor, a strict Christian university, took Gordon's test seriously even though charges were dropped.

 

"They put sanctions on me and placed me on a probationary period, with community service and biweekly drug tests," said Gordon. "They weren't going to stand for it, and I understood that."

 

Gordon (6-3, 224) remained drug-free throughout the season and finished strong, catching 42 passes for 714 yards and tying teammate Kendall Wright with a team-high seven touchdowns. But when he returned to the school in June after summer break, he tested positive again for marijuana.

 

"That was the last straw for them," said Gordon. "We had to part ways that summer."

 

The farewell broke coach Art Briles' heart, because he loved Gordon as a person and a player.

 

"It killed me, it really did, because as a coach, I think we're in the kid-saving business," said Briles, who's remained in close contact. "I know Josh's character, I know his heart, I know his mind, I know his soul and it's all good."

 

Gordon transferred to Utah, but shortly before leaving, his family's apartment caught fire, and they were forced to evacuate. Gordon fled early for Utah, taking his mom's car and his brother with him. His mother stayed behind but had to live in a hotel and drive rental cars.

 

"It was hard for all of us," said Gordon.

 

At Utah, Gordon sat out the season but still practiced with the team and submitted to drug tests.

 

"I was in a rehabilitation program with group counseling, and I saw a psychiatrist, like, three times a week," he said. "I had to report back to the team while I was practicing. But I never tested positive at Utah."

 

Every Saturday, Gordon watched as Baylor took the college football world by storm and Robert Griffin III made his amazing run toward the Heisman Trophy and toward becoming the No. 2 overall pick in the draft.

 

"It was hard watching ESPN every day, seeing the whole RG3 phenomenon take place, and I was like, 'Man, I was just there a year ago, this is crazy,' " Gordon said. "I was really happy for them, but it was hard."

 

After the year, Gordon had a decision to make. His brother couldn't find work, and they struggled to pay their rent. His mom was also back home struggling financially.

 

"I decided to go back home and try to enroll in the University of Houston," he said. "I wanted to alleviate the stress on my mom and brother."

 

As recently as June 27, Gordon still was trying to obtain a transfer hardship waiver to get into Houston. "But time was running out," he said. "I had to declare for the supplemental draft by June 29th. I had to make a lot of hard life decisions pretty quickly."

 

Coach Briles helped him make the decision to go pro.

 

"Having his belief in me and support helped motivate me," Gordon said. "I thought another year of college and film was what I needed and what everybody expected me to do."

 

The moment Gordon declared for the draft, the Browns pursued. They had already fallen in love with him during the 2010 season while scouting their 2011 first-round pick, Phil Taylor.

 

"Cleveland was the only visit I made," said Gordon. "I had a good feeling they were going to draft me, but I was still shocked when they jumped up to the second round."

 

The cost for the Browns was their second-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.

 

Browns General Manager Tom Heckert already had done his homework, talking to Briles, Taylor and Baylor assistant head coach Brian Norwood, the father of Browns receiver Jordan Norwood and a close associate of some in the Browns personnel department.

 

"I couldn't find anybody to say one bad thing about the kid," said Heckert. "I drilled him pretty hard when I was with him. He didn't back down, and he told me everything that I thought I needed to hear from him."

 

Gordon said he's not a drinker and never used other drugs.

 

"There was definitely a pattern there with the two failed tests, but marijuana has never had that strong of a hold on my life," he said. "I'm not an addict, and I shouldn't be treated as such. Being sober is not a struggle for me."

 

But he knows actions speak louder than words.

 

"I can tell people until I'm blue in the face, and there will always be naysayers that will say, 'I just don't believe him, I can't trust him.' But I know that I have no intentions or any ambition to try to go back and regress to what I was doing before -- testing positive or just being caught in a negative light."

He viewed fellow rookie receiver Justin Blackmon's recent DUI arrest as a cautionary tale.

 

"I've definitely learned from this," he said. "It's been a long road, but I'm seeing light at the end tunnel after today. Looking back, it was something that had to happen in order for this to even take place. I promise the Browns won't regret this."

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Looks like they might have been forced into giving up a 2nd for him:

 

"The Bills, despite holding the ninth pick in the April draft, secured the first pick in each round of the supplemental draft. The Browns finished at No. 2 on the pecking order.

 

And so, if the Bills were planning to use a third-round pick on Gordon, the Browns necessarily had to use a second-round pick in order to get to Gordon first."

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/12/supplemental-draft-lottery-may-have-forced-clevelands-han/

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Gordon won't start in Week 1 unless he shows up and is ready to go. He'll be starting by no later than Week 6 or 7, though. Might be like Little and take a few weeks in a less pivotal role then shine through once they've gotten back into the swing of football at a high level.

 

 

That being said, wouldn't it be sweet if we pulled a 1999 Rams? They went from 4-12 to the Super Bowl. They got a QB (Warner), a WR (Holt), and a RB (Faulk) all that year and it all clicked with the receiver they already had (Bruce.) What if this is the 2012 Browns? We have the WR on the roster (Little), we got the stud running back (Richardson), we nabbed an older QB no one believed in (Weeden), and we got a stud rookie receiver with huge upside (Gordon). Not that I'm saying it will happen, but maybe it's time for us to catch lightning in a bottle for once.

 

 

 

The greatest show on turf is about to come to Cleveland.

 

We can always dream right? Bright side for us though is all of our guys are only 1st and 2nd year players. Theirs not so much.

 

I honestly feel several reasons to be optimistic about this move. First and foremost, regardless of what you personally think about the player, it has to be nice to finally see our front office put on their big boy pants and make some moves. Two years ago they would have been kicking the sand with their hands in their pockets saying, "Well shucks." Now? "Ahh fuck that noise! MINE!" Making sure they get their QB, RB, and WR by just going and grabbing them. It is becoming more and more obvious that if this front office likes a guy and have serious interest in him then they are going to make a serious, and sometimes extreme, move to go and get him.

 

Another reason to feel good? This guy only had one full season starting, but it was a good full season for a first year starter. 700+ yards and 7 TD for a sophomore? Those are good numbers. Same numbers that Wright put up that same year as a Junior and he went in the 1st. Also this guy wasn't sitting out a whole season. He just didn't play. This guy practiced week in and week out at Utah against their 1st team defense. Remember players who have to sit out a season due to transferring normally work on the scout team. On top of that he ran a 4.5 40 at his proday... only two weeks after making the decision to go into the Sup. Remember his teammate Wright ran a 4.6 after having MONTHS to work on his 40 yard dash. Like with Wright you only need to look at Gordon's game film to see he has exceptional game speed and a lot of people are saying he is faster than Wright. Oh and great hands, that has to make everyone feel nice.

 

Honestly we have a guy who if he played last season had a chance to be the 1st or 2nd WR taken in this draft. Even in the WR heavy draft of next year, if he hadn't had to make the move to the sup to support his family and had played at Utah, there is a good chance he would have been a 1st round pick. Even if next years 2nd rounder ends up being a higher pick, we get the guy at a value and we get him a whole season early.

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very pie in the sky. i guess there's no way this kid fails...eh?

 

No this guy can fail, but at the same time so can Luck, RGIII, Richardson, and every other supposed sure thing from this years draft. What I am saying is that there are reasons to like this pick and that because of his circumstances we got a potential 1st round talent for a 2nd rounder.

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Let's just look at it this way... Had he still been on Baylor, given the improvement to Wright and Griffin, Gordon would have been projected to have 58 Receptions, 986 Yards, 10 Touchdowns. Couple this production with the spotlight Baylor had and the fact that Gordon's Triangular numbers, strength, and athleticism bested Wright's, I am willing to be Gordon would have been a late first or early second round pick in this draft. I'm not saying the he is necessarily a first round talent, but when you are 6-3, 224 and run a 4.5, you will rise on boards...

 

I'm happy with the pick, it gives the Browns the second round receiver we were bound to take in next years draft, and we get him early. I hope he can learn the rope quick enough to get regular playing time after the first couple weeks or so... Having Gordon will help Little tremendously, and I believe Little will become dominant and play a role similar to Terrell Owen in his prime.

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we got a potential 1st round talent for a 2nd rounder.

we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

 

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

 

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

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we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

 

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

 

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

 

I honestly feel that you are reading what you want to read. Most posts have been about people not being quite sure but glad that Heckert made a move. I have yet to read a thing about this guy stepping right in and being the starter. There are reasons this is a good pick, and reasons why it can be a bad pick as per you mentioned. But as mentioned after the regular draft and something I am still adamant about, it is fucking just as stupid to declare someone a bad pick as it is to declare someone a good pick before they even see the field.

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The only thing I'm worried about, is our luck on WR's in the 2nd round.

 

We keep drafting more WR's in the 2nd round to replace past 2nd round WR failures.

 

I think we've had like 7 to 9 2nd round WR's and so far none have panned out (Little is still pending).

 

Johnson,

Northcutt

Q

Davis

Robiskie

Massaquoi

 

Anyone name any other 2nd round WR's we've failed on?

 

Yes, there are others. WRs Browns have taken over the years in the second round:

 

1983 Ron Brown (didn't do much for Browns, but played well for years with the Rams)

1984 Bruce Davis

1986 Webster Slaughter

1989 Lawyer Tillman

1992 Patrick Rowe

1999 KJ

2000 Northcutt

2001 Andre Davis

2002 Quincy Morgan

2009 Robo and MoMass

2011 Greg Little

 

Not a stellar record, no. Slaughter was the best. KJ and Northcutt pretty good. A. Davis: so so. Some busts here.

Hopefully Little reaches Slaughter range. And Gordon too.

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OK The Browns have "tied the Gordian Knot". Let's just hope it doesn't unravel.

 

My question is: how would Gordon rate against those WRs who are presumed to be the cream of the crop in next years draft?

Guys like:

Robert Woods

Keenan Allen

Justin Hunter

Terence William (Baylor!)

Marquess Wilson

 

Some of you may have done more "scouting" on these guys than I. How does "Flash" Gordon compare?

 

By the way, the "Gordian Knot" metaphor is very applicable here:

 

The Gordian Knot is a legend of Phrygian Gordium associated with Alexander the Great. It is often used as a metaphor for an intractable problem solved easily by cheating or "thinking outside the box". ("cutting the Gordian knot"):

 

"Turn him to any cause of policy,

The Gordian Knot of it he will unloose,

Familiar as his garter" (Shakespeare, Henry V, Act 1 Scene 1. 4547)

 

(or is this tantamount to Heckert playing Kirk by beating the Kobayashi Maru scenario?)

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we got a potential disaster for a second rounder. see how that works? "potential"...."talent"....at the small, small price of a second rounder, ya know...the picks where guys normally start right away when taken in the regular draft. but since its the supplemental, its OK to take raw projects? where do you draw the line?

 

anyone have a video of this kid catching a pass on anything other than a 9 route? cause all i see in those videos is a big kid that uses his size advantage over smaller corners. his game is so limited.....and most every post ive read from browns fans Re: gordon believe this kid is gonna waltz right in here and become a #1 WR.....its so fucking funny its laughable, how the masses so blindly believe that all one requires is measureables. nevermind the years of instruction its gonna take to get this kid on the field since he's only....ya know...played one season.

 

sorry if im not lying to myself to gush like a schoolgirl about this kid.....but i expect so much less from him than the rest of you. he nothing more than a completely raw prospect with a big frame.....while i feel the cost was way too steep, i'd rather youth over the vet WR everyone so wanted. this isn't a worst case scenario for me. i just find the new plethora of "browns new high powered offense" posts all over the boards after the we got gordon humorous, and similarly embarrassing.

 

 

Yeah because I haven't seen Greg Little on the field once yet, be ause if his...you know...one season of playing.

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Yes, there are others. WRs Browns have taken over the years in the second round:

 

1983 Ron Brown (didn't do much for Browns, but played well for years with the Rams)

1984 Bruce Davis

1986 Webster Slaughter

1989 Lawyer Tillman

1992 Patrick Rowe

1999 KJ

2000 Northcutt

2001 Andre Davis

2002 Quincy Morgan

2009 Robo and MoMass

2011 Greg Little

 

Not a stellar record, no. Slaughter was the best. KJ and Northcutt pretty good. A. Davis: so so. Some busts here.

Hopefully Little reaches Slaughter range. And Gordon too.

 

 

To supplement this, here are the WRs the Browns have taken in the First Round:

1962 Gary Collins

1964 Paul Warfield

1973 Steve Holden

1979 Willis Adams

1994 Derrick Alexander

2005 Braylon Edwards

 

There is not a lot of heart to take in this. The best WRs the Browns have ever drafted in the first or second rounds were the first two: Collins and Warfield. Then comes Slaughter, then comes Bo Diddley squat basically. Until now maybe? Wouldn't it be nice to see Greg Little and Josh Gordon become modern day Collins and Warfield?

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