medicineman Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I think it is a mistake, I am willing to bet if we give him the start in week 1 we will be down by 4 scores by halftime. I don't like him. I never have and imo he should not even be on the team. That being said GO BROWNS. I will still be a fan of the team, just giving how I feel about or QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 You want honesty: Yours is a Stupid attitude. Why don't you wait and see how he plays before you make any foolish judgments. WTF else does this team have that is proven to be better? Not a fucking thing. He may suck...so be it. He may be great...so be it. But give it a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Brock is the best QB on the roster and Hue owes it to the team to play the best QB from week 1...... now if we go on to stink it up, then sooner rather than later Kizer needs to be given a chance to see if he's our QB of the future or not - but NOT week 1. The reality is this is a 1-15 team so expecting a miracle playoff season is just stupidity on the part of anyone doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Hey Gip, if he was any good then he never would of been sent here. They would of kept a good qb not trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 If he's playing better than the rest then start him. I never thought Houston's HC was worth a shit as a QB coach so take the trade and play the best player in camp. So far that seems to be the Oz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Hey Gip, if he was any good then he never would of been sent here. They would of kept a good qb not trade 1 Lots of QBs got traded, let go etc. and did well after not being so great the first time around. Ever hear of Brett Favre? Len Dawson? Jim Plunkett? Ron Jaworski? John Unitas? Sonny Jurgenson? Tobin Rote? Fran Tarkenton? Drew Brees? Brad Johnson? Steve Young? --it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 You want honesty: Yours is a Stupid attitude. Why don't you wait and see how he plays before you make any foolish judgments. WTF else does this team have that is proven to be better? Not a fucking thing. He may suck...so be it. He may be great...so be it. But give it a chance. Brock will have plenty of time to confirm he totally sucks, I'm willing to at least give him the opportunity to prove that. Hey Gip, if he was any good then he never would of been sent here. They would of kept a good qb not trade 1 Houston didn't think he was worth $16 million. As Ag pointed out- it might just have been a bad situation in Houston. We were about the only team who could eat that contract. He was at least average in Denver- when's the last time the Browns had a QB that was at least "average"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I never thought Houston's HC was worth a shit as a QB coach so take the trade and play the best player in camp. So far that seems to be the Oz. nor Houston's GM that thought he was worth 16M..Brocks right..get all you can get Brock will have plenty of time to confirm he totally sucks, I'm willing to at least give him the opportunity to prove that. Houston didn't think he was worth $16 million. As Ag pointed out- it might just have been a bad situation in Houston. We were about the only team who could eat that contract. He was at least average in Denver- when's the last time the Browns had a QB that was at least "average"? That scrimmage game just looked like Brock has got a bug under his ass to prove a whole lot of people they were wrong. A 2015 playoff with The Pitts in denver Brock threw for 296 & 3 TD's.. If Hue makes him close to that guy with this talent he's not going anywhere..Or we could see another Weee done.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 We have 4 QB's on the roster. One of them is performing better than all of the others. Are we supposed to kick him off the roster because some people don't like the idea of having him? Is that the epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face? When somebody on our roster, or someone we acquire, performs better than Brock in practice...then that person should start. Now, if we get to a point in time during the season where it's pretty clear that we ain't going to the playoffs...and Brock doesn't seem to be 'all that' then Kizer should play. That's what I would do.....but who am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runyon27 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 My opinion is I hope he kicks ass, I am tired of the QB search. I don't care if its Osweiler or Hogan or whoever, just go out and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 In short - not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Sure I hope he does good I want us to win I just feel that in no way can he be our best choice. In 2007 we did good won 10 games were in most of them that we lost. DA was awful but did win us games but on top of that EVERYBODY was screaming for Brady Quinn.........we seen how well that went. I just want us to win I really do but do you really think Brock will be this teams answers? We have no real weapons on offense. Our Oline seems to be built but that is not enough. Either way GO BROWNS, and yes I am drunk and been drunk for about 3 hours so maybe that is where the negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 You want honesty: Yours is a Stupid attitude. Why don't you wait and see how he plays before you make any foolish judgments. WTF else does this team have that is proven to be better? Not a fucking thing. He may suck...so be it. He may be great...so be it. But give it a chance. But we HAVE seen him play. It's not a coin flip "good or great". He's shown that he sucks. Why is that something to look forward to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 We have 4 QB's on the roster. One of them is performing better than all of the others. Are we supposed to kick him off the roster because some people don't like the idea of having him? Is that the epitome of cutting off your nose to spite your face? When somebody on our roster, or someone we acquire, performs better than Brock in practice...then that person should start. Now, if we get to a point in time during the season where it's pretty clear that we ain't going to the playoffs...and Brock doesn't seem to be 'all that' then Kizer should play. That's what I would do.....but who am I? You think there's a chance that the Browns make the playoffs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Brock will have plenty of time to confirm he totally sucks, I'm willing to at least give him the opportunity to prove that. Or...he may prove otherwise...who knows! Houston didn't think he was worth $16 million. As Ag pointed out- it might just have been a bad situation in Houston. We were about the only team who could eat that contract. He was at least average in Denver- when's the last time the Browns had a QB that was at least "average"? And lets face it...it seems that Houston under O'Brien has been a QB graveyard. He has had like 9 starters in only a few years...and unlike the Browns....nearly none have been due to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I think a lot of you are reading into this too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 But we HAVE seen him play. It's not a coin flip "good or great". He's shown that he sucks. Why is that something to look forward to? Except, as noted above, we have seen him also play where he does not suck. Once upon a time qbs took 3-5 years to develop. Look at Brian Sipe. Today....they don't want to give QBs that long....but the fact is some really DO need that long. Yes, for some they never make it. But as far as the Big B.O. the jury is out. I just know that we have Kizer and a shitload of draft picks that could work for us. (and sure...who knows, Kessler, a Sipe clone more or less, may be one of the guys that needs the 3-5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Except, as noted above, we have seen him also play where he does not suck. Once upon a time qbs took 3-5 years to develop. Look at Brian Sipe. Today....they don't want to give QBs that long....but the fact is some really DO need that long. Yes, for some they never make it. But as far as the Big B.O. the jury is out. I just know that we have Kizer and a shitload of draft picks that could work for us. (and sure...who knows, Kessler, a Sipe clone more or less, may be one of the guys that needs the 3-5 years. The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range. For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average. Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range. For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average. Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB. Agreed. And I seriously hope you're right about the strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 This all depends on how you look at things. If you are driven by enthusiasm and positive thinking, if your love for the Browns is what grills your sausage, then your M.O. is pretty straight forward, and I don't mean this to be insulting. However, this kind of a fan, which is probably 80 - 90% of the folks here, are not going to let their enjoyment and anticipation for a great year to be squashed. As such, the support for Brock is understood. I don't share it, but I respect it and understand it. If you are a fan like me, driven more by real-life experience, common sense and practical thinking, there are too many red flags in starting Brock to cause us optimism. Now, if you take your emotions out of this, not many will be able to, there are some very sound reasons to feel that starting Brock is not just the wrong decision, but also that it sheds a very strong negative light on the FO. Here are what I believe should be red flags. 1) I am not interested in who is the best QB on the team right now. We should be focused on which QB can be the long-term QB. We should be focused on who WILL be the best down the road. That is the guy I want to see getting the bulk of the attention. Brock is not the best talent, he is merely the most experienced and will be seen as a better QB for not making rookie mistakes. However, unless your rookie is allowed to make mistakes, he won't ever develop. A QB must be tried by fire, not by sitting on his ass and watching. Kizer should be getting all the focus. Not even debatable. 2) Starting Brock goes against the entire idea of building for the future, or rebuilding, or whatever you want to call it. Brock is 26. We weren't able to get him for chicken feed because he is a good prospect. Be sensible. When is the last time the Browns got the best of the 31 other NFL teams? When is the last time they jumped on a guy and found a real diamond in the rough? People, this is the same thing with Brady Quinn. NOBODY wanted him. The odds that Brock changes his spots are the same as the odds that Whoopie Goldturd is going to give Meehan a boner. AssOiler holds on to the ball too, too, too fucking long. He is no better than Tim Couch and only marginally better than Kessler. 3) The choice of AssOiler brings Hue closer to his eventual firing. He is not an intelligent man and has created a QB quagmire. There is only a slim, slim, sliver of a chance that this will work out. If AssOiler is reborn and tears it up, Hue will gain accolades. But that is not likely, because we know what the QB is. So, if he is average, or stinks it up, Hue brings in who? Kessler? OR Kizer, who will be unprepared and will be handed a team in shambles, a team with no familiarity with him. Disaster. There are so many reasons this decisions is fucked up I don't think TBB has enough bandwith to list them. Look, if the fans believe you are building for the future, then you have understanding to put in the new guy, roll with it and let him attend the school of hard knocks. You work with him, go over his game, watch films, bring in supportive help, and you give him a chance to be THE guy. Kizer is not going to get that. He is being judged NOT on potential, but by what he is right now, TODAY. If you homers can't see how fucked up and self-defeating that is, the you really are fucked up yourselves. So you believe Brock IS THE GUY? Because that's is what starting him means. It means Kizer will never get the full monte. When and if he is brought in it will be because AssOiler is AssOiler. EVEN WORSE............ AssOiler takes us to .500 and Kizer sits on the bench most or all year, or a big part of it. Then the kid comes in for a few games after AssOiler fucks things up again, like he always has, and BOOM.............. the Browns draft a QB in 2018 and Kizer never gets a real shot. Look, Kizer was not my pick, but as the saying goes, if you got em, smoke em. Now, if you are telling me that you belive Brock AssOiler is worth not finding out what Kizer can become? Again, your sense of life, reality and football is really, really fucked up. Hue did this exact same shit with Kessler. Just remember, you same fucktards who were talking about how smart it was to start RG3 and "mentor" Kessler, are now supporting the same shit Hue did last year. For the love of a good ass fuck, people, RG3, Ass Oiler, Cutler..............these fucking people are not taking anyone, anywhere. Hue Jackson is cancer to the Browns. The only thing I hate more than this dumb motherfucker are even dumber motherfuckers who think that starting a guy who had his chance and was at best, Pagel, is the right guy to start tonight. Un-fucking-believble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 This all depends on how you look at things. If you are driven by enthusiasm and positive thinking, if your love for the Browns is what grills your sausage, then your M.O. is pretty straight forward, and I don't mean this to be insulting. However, this kind of a fan, which is probably 80 - 90% of the folks here, are not going to let their enjoyment and anticipation for a great year to be squashed. As such, the support for Brock is understood. I don't share it, but I respect it and understand it. If you are a fan like me, driven more by real-life experience, common sense and practical thinking, there are too many red flags in starting Brock to cause us optimism. Now, if you take your emotions out of this, not many will be able to, there are some very sound reasons to feel that starting Brock is not just the wrong decision, but also that it sheds a very strong negative light on the FO. Here are what I believe should be red flags. 1) I am not interested in who is the best QB on the team right now. We should be focused on which QB can be the long-term QB. We should be focused on who WILL be the best down the road. That is the guy I want to see getting the bulk of the attention. Brock is not the best talent, he is merely the most experienced and will be seen as a better QB for not making rookie mistakes. However, unless your rookie is allowed to make mistakes, he won't ever develop. A QB must be tried by fire, not by sitting on his ass and watching. Kizer should be getting all the focus. Not even debatable. 2) Starting Brock goes against the entire idea of building for the future, or rebuilding, or whatever you want to call it. Brock is 26. We weren't able to get him for chicken feed because he is a good prospect. Be sensible. When is the last time the Browns got the best of the 31 other NFL teams? When is the last time they jumped on a guy and found a real diamond in the rough? People, this is the same thing with Brady Quinn. NOBODY wanted him. The odds that Brock changes his spots are the same as the odds that Whoopie Goldturd is going to give Meehan a boner. AssOiler holds on to the ball too, too, too fucking long. He is no better than Tim Couch and only marginally better than Kessler. 3) The choice of AssOiler brings Hue closer to his eventual firing. He is not an intelligent man and has created a QB quagmire. There is only a slim, slim, sliver of a chance that this will work out. If AssOiler is reborn and tears it up, Hue will gain accolades. But that is not likely, because we know what the QB is. So, if he is average, or stinks it up, Hue brings in who? Kessler? OR Kizer, who will be unprepared and will be handed a team in shambles, a team with no familiarity with him. Disaster. There are so many reasons this decisions is fucked up I don't think TBB has enough bandwith to list them. Look, if the fans believe you are building for the future, then you have understanding to put in the new guy, roll with it and let him attend the school of hard knocks. You work with him, go over his game, watch films, bring in supportive help, and you give him a chance to be THE guy. Kizer is not going to get that. He is being judged NOT on potential, but by what he is right now, TODAY. If you homers can't see how fucked up and self-defeating that is, the you really are fucked up yourselves. So you believe Brock IS THE GUY? Because that's is what starting him means. It means Kizer will never get the full monte. When and if he is brought in it will be because AssOiler is AssOiler. EVEN WORSE............ AssOiler takes us to .500 and Kizer sits on the bench most or all year, or a big part of it. Then the kid comes in for a few games after AssOiler fucks things up again, like he always has, and BOOM.............. the Browns draft a QB in 2018 and Kizer never gets a real shot. Look, Kizer was not my pick, but as the saying goes, if you got em, smoke em. Now, if you are telling me that you belive Brock AssOiler is worth not finding out what Kizer can become? Again, your sense of life, reality and football is really, really fucked up. Hue did this exact same shit with Kessler. Just remember, you same fucktards who were talking about how smart it was to start RG3 and "mentor" Kessler, are now supporting the same shit Hue did last year. For the love of a good ass fuck, people, RG3, Ass Oiler, Cutler..............these fucking people are not taking anyone, anywhere. Hue Jackson is cancer to the Browns. The only thing I hate more than this dumb motherfucker are even dumber motherfuckers who think that starting a guy who had his chance and was at best, Pagel, is the right guy to start tonight. Un-fucking-believble. This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters. The starter of this game doesn't matter. Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I sure hope so TCPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 The "not suck" is far outweighed by the "suck", however. He wasn't really good in Denver, either. He had two games with over a 100 rating, and the rest were in the low 70s - low 80s range. For all but two of his career starts, he's been pretty average. Regardless, none of this matters because he's only getting the start so that Kizer will get more snaps in this game against backups in order to boost his confidence. That's how you correctly groom a rookie QB. OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere. I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cysko Kid Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I'm ok with Brock. We've started worse and we all know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 OK, if he is only there to groom a rookie QB, I am fine with that. But I am still going to judge what he does with the Cleveland Browns.......not on whatever he may have done elsewhere. I mean, look at it this way: at one time you really sucked swamp water as a poster on this board, but you have improved over the last few years. So, you see, it can happen!! And, just like most of your claims, the stats don't back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 This long post would be much more valid if Osweiler was named game one starter. As of now, though, he isnt. It's a preseason game and he'll be out in three or four drives, then Kizer will take over for probably two full quarters. The starter of this game doesn't matter. Kizer is still this team's future and Hue knows that. That's why he's going to be out there the longest, against mostly backups and maybe a scattered starter. Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Ghoolie proof ALWAYS is in the playing. Again, why do you play a fucking piece of shit like AssOiler when you have a young kid with UPSIDE. AGAIN................. Hue shows that he is incapable of making the right choices with regards to the QB. Hue needs to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Right on the money. I feel like Kizer earned next weeks start. He held the ball a few times but overall seems to have it. Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG. Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Right on your mother cunt. Dude, what yu mean to say is..... GHOOLIE WAS RIGHT................... HUE WAS WRONG. Ohhh Oooohh Ooooooooooh. now Kize earned he start WHAT KIND OF AN DUMB COCKSUCKER MORTHERFUCKER even wastes time with Ass Oiler? I really think they wanted him to play well enough for a possible trade to the Colts or Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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