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What is one draft reach that you remember that you were like WTF that didn't even warrant the reach and that player sucked on the field. Any team. I remember Beau Bell for us. think we moved up for him. he had a couple of good games and think his career last a short time.

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I thought the trade back into the 1st round to take Brady Q was as significant of a reach as we have made in a long time, but in retrospect I'm not sure it was a bigger one than trading up one spot to tab TR.

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Chump Thompson.

That is the name I thought of, for sure. (for the uninitiated his name was Chaun Thompson LB out of West Texas A&M, drafted in the second round....when he may have been available in the 5th -7th...or even a UDFA.). He became a below average special teams player and was gone in at most 2-3 years.

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Could Leon McFadden be another? He is a CB taken in the third round last year where most services had him as a 6th-7th rounder....and the Browns took 2 CBs intended to replace him this year.

 

The one guy this year that could be considered a reach would be Christian Kirksey. Several rating services had him in the 150-180 range of best available player. Browns got him at I believe #71.

Hopefully it will work out.

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Without a doubt it was Mike Junkin in '87 & they traded Chip Banks, their own 1st rounder (#24) & their 2nd rounder to get that stiff with the 5th overall pick!!!!

That was a Marty call! I'll never forget that dumbass trade.

 

Mike

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Pat White.

 

Dolphins took him in the second round because he was going to be a WildDawg stud.

 

Turns out that taking a quarterback in the second round that can't pass the football is not such a good idea.

 

Zombo

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Without a doubt it was Mike Junkin in '87 & they traded Chip Banks, their own 1st rounder (#24) & their 2nd rounder to get that stiff with the 5th overall pick!!!!

That was a Marty call! I'll never forget that dumbass trade.

 

Mike

 

That has to be the worst. Though you can't really consider it a "reach" trading Paul Warfield + our first rounder for Mike Phipps was pretty bad. I'll put that one #2 on the list.

 

We-done would have lasted till the second round (at least) so I'll vote that as the second worst reach. Nothing tops the Junkin fiasco.

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Ted Ginn. Then they said they couldn't wait to use him as a returner... lol

 

Heyward-Bay, Oak

 

Mike Mitchell, Oak too

Ted Ginn I agree. Heyward bey has shown flashes and it may just take the right system. You however are insanely wrong on mike Mitchell. He was the backbone of that defense in Carolina. Hit their boards about his departure. The steelers don't sign bigger free agents and they came out on day on and gave him 5 million per...he's more of a ballhawk than Ryan Clark and faster. Cut from exactly the same cloth. How exactly did you come to that conclusion anyway? Just figured he's a Steeler now..gotta be a bust lol. Oakland gave up on him too soon.

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Oh. many might know know who this is. This was when I was pretty young, but I'm a big OSU fan, and I was shocked when this dude went so high cause I wasnt impressed with him on the field. Lorenzo Styles was the dude breakin everybody off for OSU that year, but because Powell went and ran (I think a 4.6) at the combine, he became a 1st rounder.

 

Craig Powell. LB OSU

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With all the measuring systms in the NFL, why hasn't somebody designed a draft-scoring points system. At the end of a season, the team should be scored based on the round selected, the number of games/plays participated/started etc. for the last 5 drafts, including NDFA's. Anyone know of something like this?

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With all the measuring systms in the NFL, why hasn't somebody designed a draft-scoring points system. At the end of a season, the team should be scored based on the round selected, the number of games/plays participated/started etc. for the last 5 drafts, including NDFA's. Anyone know of something like this?

I am sure every team has a report card. The stupid analysts have one but that is worth as much as Ice to an eskimo.

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How about this talented guy. David Veikune, drafted 2nd round.

 

The exact guy that came to mind when this thread popped up. Not only (by reports) could he have been had much much later, we we're converting him to an inside linebacker. That may not have been so bad, but if I remember correctly, the dude played DT in college. Pretty drastic transaction to make there.

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Ted Ginn I agree. Heyward bey has shown flashes and it may just take the right system. You however are insanely wrong on mike Mitchell. He was the backbone of that defense in Carolina. Hit their boards about his departure. The steelers don't sign bigger free agents and they came out on day on and gave him 5 million per...he's more of a ballhawk than Ryan Clark and faster. Cut from exactly the same cloth. How exactly did you come to that conclusion anyway? Just figured he's a Steeler now..gotta be a bust lol. Oakland gave up on him too soon.

I wonder if he meant Mack Mitchell, not Mike Mitchell. Mack Mitchell was a DL taken by the Browns...I think in Round 1, sometime in the 70s. Major bust.

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Ted Ginn I agree. Heyward bey has shown flashes and it may just take the right system. You however are insanely wrong on mike Mitchell. He was the backbone of that defense in Carolina. Hit their boards about his departure. The steelers don't sign bigger free agents and they came out on day on and gave him 5 million per...he's more of a ballhawk than Ryan Clark and faster. Cut from exactly the same cloth. How exactly did you come to that conclusion anyway? Just figured he's a Steeler now..gotta be a bust lol. Oakland gave up on him too soon.

 

I missed the part in the OP where they also performed poorly on the field.

 

I was just listing guys that made me think "Wtf are they doing" when they were drafted

 

 

My bad

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Vernon Gholston was a bust but the pick at the time made sense. Combine monster

I think there is a difference between a bust and a reach.

 

A bust is a guy that everyone thinks will be good...but fails. Gholston is a bust, but he was drafted about where people thought he should be....just everyone was wrong about him. (Just like Leaf, Russell etc.....guys everyone had evaluated well who didn't turn out so good).

 

A reach is a guy that was overdrafted.....where no one really had that player ranked nearly as high as he was taken. Chaun Thompson, Veikune, guys like that who were rated low but drafted high.

The one guy the Browns took this year that many believe may have been a reach was Christian Kerksey. Rated about 150-180, drafted at #71.

 

Contrariwise there is The Steal. A guy drafted really low (or undrafted) who becomes really good. We hope Desir is that guy.

 

So...Okay , let's take it there

 

Who is the biggest Steal in a draft?

 

Aytahba Rubin....6th rounder, most recently

Tashaun Gipson...UDFA....he is improving all the time.

Tom Brady....obviously

Brian Sipe....13th round

 

Others?

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Yeah, I get that. It just seemed like we started to mention busts.

 

 

What about a reach that ended up playing well? That is why I mentioned Mitchell at safety earlier. Is the only classification still a reach?

 

Reach that plays well vs reach that plays poor

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Notable Steals in history:

 

Raymond Berry #232

Bart Starr #200

Deacon Jones #186

George Blanda #119

Roger Staubach #129

John Unitas #102

Leroy Kelley #110

Shannon Sharpe #192

Mike Webster #125

Steve Largent #117

Joe Montana #82

Dick Night Train Lane UDFA

Willie Brown UDFA

Willie Wood UDFA

Warren Moon UDFA via Canada

John Randle UDFA

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Yeah, I get that. It just seemed like we started to mention busts.

 

 

What about a reach that ended up playing well? That is why I mentioned Mitchell at safety earlier. Is the only classification still a reach?

 

Reach that plays well vs reach that plays poor

I think, by definition that if a "reach" plays well, ergo, he was not a reach.

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I am going to go with a reach that has been a pleasnt surprise for us. Mr John Huges. He has been a very good D lineman since he has came out of Cincy. He thought that he wasnt going to get drafted but we took him in the 3rd.

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