WalterWhite Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 "Manziel and Hoyer were both so bad Mike Pettine might wit another game to name his starter" per Mary Kay Cabot twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'd like to see more of Manziel with the 1s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I've seen enough Johnny,,,,,,, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gips Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Delaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice.. While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp.. I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps.. The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done.. If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Splitting reps is not good at this point. Both performances were very discouraging, but what I saw out there last night was a guy in Manziel who needs to take more time to develop. I know Hoyer looked pretty bad, but it's hard to get into a rythym when one series is marred by penalties/bad snap and the other stalled quickly. Give Hoyer the reigns, give Manziel time to grow. Pretty simple looking at the film last night to make that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Agreed. Hoyer should start the first three games and Pettine can reassess during the bye week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hoyer should start. Johnny panicked under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hoyer should Start without having to look over his shoulder prematurly. (Which he has been doing from the start of camp). Take away all the dropped passes by WRs for both QBs and this "compitition" isnt even close. I watch Redskins 2nd string wrs do 360's on the dead run to catch a ball thrown way behind them, as well as the ones that hit them in the numbers. When Hoyer came in the second time last night after the 2nd pick. He hit Gordon in stride in the numbers with one guy to beat for a TD or at least to be on the doorstep. (Dropped) And then Hawkins drops an easy TD pass. And dont give me shit about it was behind him. Thats a Fucking Loser Statement. That throw was only where he could caught it we paid him decent money to make those catches. ( Every throw isnt going to be on a TEE) Hoyers inaccuarcies are less than that of JF and thats just a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Why is it that just about every commentator (and anyone else with a football brain) knew that the 2 series alternating was a bad idea well before this disaster ever started? He should have kept his word to JM at a fair shot with the 1's both in practice and in game 2 just as he did for Hoyer in game 1. I said before the game the decision had already been made for Hoyer. This was a setup to make that decision palatable for Browns fans. Unfortunately it backfired since Hoyer had a bad game as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hoyer should still start but the window is much closer than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Agree with those who say the eventual starter needs reps. He'll, even Earnhardt Jr said it. Both of our QBs are not getting enough time with the receivers or the offense they're running. Hoyer and Manziel are 2 different types of QBs and the rest of the team and the coaches have to have time to adjust to them. Name a starter and go with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Agree with those who say the eventual starter needs reps. He'll, even Earnhardt Jr said it. Both of our QBs are not getting enough time with the receivers or the offense they're running. Hoyer and Manziel are 2 different types of QBs and the rest of the team and the coaches have to have time to adjust to them. Name a starter and go with him. This shoulda been done two months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Honestly, I'm not sold on Hoyer as the starter. We're basing his worth on 2 games last year and the 1st game was not pretty. I say go with JF and let the pieces fall where they may. Note, I said Johnny Football, not the guy the coaches are trying to mold into John Manziel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Honestly, I'm not sold on Hoyer as the starter. We're basing his worth on 2 games last year and the 1st game was not pretty. I say go with JF and let the pieces fall where they may. Note, I said Johnny Football, not the guy the coaches are trying to mold into John Manziel. Only upside to this would be figuring out quicker if hes the guy. But no development comes from it. I dont want to be sitting in First Energy Field and get the bird from JF just because im booing him after he just threw his 3rd int of the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dste Ace Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Honestly, I'm not sold on Hoyer as the starter. We're basing his worth on 2 games last year and the 1st game was not pretty. I say go with JF and let the pieces fall where they may. Note, I said Johnny Football, not the guy the coaches are trying to mold into John Manziel. The problem with JF starting at this point is that he isn't Andrew Luck. He isn't close to being ready. He has major happy-feet. Several times last night, with a strong pocket he started dancing and I lost count of the throws he made off his back foot. He has to learn to go through his progressions, step up int the pocket and deliver the ball with authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Honestly, I'm not sold on Hoyer as the starter. We're basing his worth on 2 games last year and the 1st game was not pretty. I say go with JF and let the pieces fall where they may. Note, I said Johnny Football, not the guy the coaches are trying to mold into John Manziel. I don't think anyone is sold but with the early bye you can still do exactly what you're talking about while giving him another month to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I think I see now why they kicked Bernie Kosar off the broadcast team. Hed have a field day with JF, Hoyer and these WRs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterDog Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Honestly, I'm not sold on Hoyer as the starter. We're basing his worth on 2 games last year and the 1st game was not pretty. I say go with JF and let the pieces fall where they may. Note, I said Johnny Football, not the guy the coaches are trying to mold into John Manziel. When are people going to get it. Johnny Football is a style that can only work in the back yard, highschool and college. The improvise shit that folks throw around all predraft is nothing but a product of chaos football and a superior supporting cast. He tried to dance and run yesterday without much success. He was chased down from BEHIND by a 3rd STRING DE yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Call Romeo Crennel and find out if you can borrow that coin he tossed. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsFanatic Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Start johnny football. Remember how russel wilsons struggled almost his entire rookie season, if we have to go through that go through it. We drafted him in the 1st round so lets get him all the experience. Throw him in the fire vs pittsburgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjh2130 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I don't remember how Russell Wilson struggled at all? He had 3k yards 25 plus tds and 10 ints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 All pettine has shown Me so far is hes a nincompoop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoted Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 It was a dumb move to say a deadline in the first place. You have the owner trying to shove Manziel down Pettine's throat and you have a new HC who wasn't first, Second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth choice that might be in over his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoted Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Start johnny football. Remember how russel wilsons struggled almost his entire rookie season, if we have to go through that go through it. We drafted him in the 1st round so lets get him all the experience. Throw him in the fire vs pittsburgh Russell Wilson has brains , something that Manziel is missing which is why he can never be compared to Russell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdl15 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Start johnny football. Remember how russel wilsons struggled almost his entire rookie season, if we have to go through that go through it. We drafted him in the 1st round so lets get him all the experience. Throw him in the fire vs pittsburgh Are you talking about Seattles Russell Wilson? Cause his rookie year he struggled for 3,000 yrds, 26tds:10ints, with a 100 rating.....Oh and he almost carried the Seahawks past Atlanta to the NFC Championship game by himself. And if Im not mistaking his 2nd year was about the same as his rookie season give or take a 100 yrds and a int or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCBrowner Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I say make the Muskrat the number 1 QB right now. I wouldn't have said that if Hoyer looked at least a little competent the last 2 games. He's been awful. We'll go 0-3 with Hoyer back there, and Johnny STILL won't be getting first team reps. Can we admit this season looks like a wash anyways?? Anyone predicting playoffs here? The only bad thing that can happen is Johnny gets overwhelmed, loses all confidence, and goes and hides in his turtle shell. Well....then man-up, buttercup. The NFL is incredibly hard. This was why people were kind of hoping he wouldn't fly away to another town to party every weekend, and actually take this job seriously. Peyton Manning....Troy Aikman.....absolutely awful first years. They didn't pack it up and quit. They both ended up being pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I look at who would be the biggest risk of turning the ball over. Johnny Foosball is that risk. Twice last night he had passes that could have been seen as pick 6's. Hoyer has more game experience, seen the complexities of the NFL and provides the best chance to win. No rookie is walking in front of a Dick Lebeau defense with a penchant for scrambling then living to talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaJayJay Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hoyer should Start without having to look over his shoulder prematurly. (Which he has been doing from the start of camp). Take away all the dropped passes by WRs for both QBs and this "compitition" isnt even close. I watch Redskins 2nd string wrs do 360's on the dead run to catch a ball thrown way behind them, as well as the ones that hit them in the numbers. When Hoyer came in the second time last night after the 2nd pick. He hit Gordon in stride in the numbers with one guy to beat for a TD or at least to be on the doorstep. (Dropped) And then Hawkins drops an easy TD pass. And dont give me shit about it was behind him. Thats a Fucking Loser Statement. That throw was only where he could caught it we paid him decent money to make those catches. ( Every throw isnt going to be on a TEE) Hoyers inaccuarcies are less than that of JF and thats just a fact. all i've heard is how hoyer has 6 years under his belt, hoyer was starting last year..., hoyer should start this year....blah blah blah.....hoyer stunk up the joint last night.....stunk the first game too.....and he's had all the advantages that go with getting most of the first team reps.....hoyer has proven he isn't up to it.....and that's just a fact...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaJayJay Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 anyone else think that maybe pettine isn't up to the job...all he knows is defense....that's probably where he belongs....not head coach......he basically got the job because no one else wanted it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Delaying a choice until next week is delaying a starter from getting reps and building a much needed rhythm regardless of the choice.. While they both stunk it up last night manziel thusfar has performed very slightly better with far fewer reps with the first team throughout training camp.. I am of the opinion pettine should give johnny finger the start, imo neither of them have earned the job but johnny finger has managed to catch up and has slightly better game stats showing that he will likely bypass hometown hoyers abilities when given all the first reps.. The worst thing that happens in this scenario is johnny rook cant get it done/gets hurt and hoyer the 6 year veteran backup takes over doing what he has always done.. If brian gets the nod and then gets hurt we would be back to square one with johnny rook not having enough work with the ones to have a rhythm possibly losing even more games.. This has become my opinion as well. Not that it means anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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