Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation. Say you're Farmer. Say Romo goes down with a preseason injury, Weeden sucks two bags of dicks in his stead, and Hanie continues to be Hanie. Say Jerry approaches you for a trade. Would you trade Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys? If so, what would you trade him for? For me, the bargain basement price I would take would be two first round picks ('15 and '16). This would give us three first round picks in '15 and two in '16. With Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley all possibly declaring after this season, I think this would be too great of a deal to pass up. Give Hoyer sixteen games to show what he's worth. If he flames out halfway through the season, give the ball to Shaw and see if there's a diamond in the rough. I'm not saying tank the season, by any means. I'm saying that, in this case, there's nothing to be lost by trading Manziel. We lose: one possible franchise QB, all the media attention in the world. We gain: one possible franchise QB, one possible high quality starting player at another position of need, full tryout period for Hoyer/Shaw Say we finish the season at 5-11, with the fifth pick. The Cowboys finish at 8-8, somewhere around the 11th pick. The Bills finish at 5-11, with the fourth pick. That's three picks in the top 15 in next year's draft. Would that not be worth it? Of course, another option is to let Manziel play the year out and then trade him away as a package deal on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Weeden and $1,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 No..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation. Say you're Farmer. Say Romo goes down with a preseason injury, Weeden sucks two bags of dicks in his stead, and Hanie continues to be Hanie. Say Jerry approaches you for a trade. Would you trade Johnny Manziel to the Cowboys? If so, what would you trade him for? For me, the bargain basement price I would take would be two first round picks ('15 and '16). This would give us three first round picks in '15 and two in '16. With Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley all possibly declaring after this season, I think this would be too great of a deal to pass up. Give Hoyer sixteen games to show what he's worth. If he flames out halfway through the season, give the ball to Shaw and see if there's a diamond in the rough. I'm not saying tank the season, by any means. I'm saying that, in this case, there's nothing to be lost by trading Manziel. We lose: one possible franchise QB, all the media attention in the world. We gain: one possible franchise QB, one possible high quality starting player at another position of need, full tryout period for Hoyer/Shaw Say we finish the season at 5-11, with the fifth pick. The Cowboys finish at 8-8, somewhere around the 11th pick. The Bills finish at 5-11, with the fourth pick. That's three picks in the top 15 in next year's draft. Would that not be worth it? Of course, another option is to let Manziel play the year out and then trade him away as a package deal on draft day. i'd do it in a heartbeat. no one is proven yet. it is an extreme hypothetical and i doubt if the cowboys would do it. (although we all know jerry jones would love the added attention that manziel would bring). now the texans are a different story. o'brien and their GM like guys they can control but given the state of their offense i could see them giving in a little bit to the owner and maybe putting together something the browns might be interested in. with fitzpatrick they are dead in the water again. i like savage but he is as far from NFL ready as connor shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yes. I'd just give them manziel for free if it would get his homo fans off this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Two 1st is too much. Maybe a 1st and a 3rd. If i was Jerry id pull the trigger on it. No, two firsts is not enough. Whattsamattayou.....not giving your boy his due? I want Zach Martin, next year's first and 3rd rounder, plus another player....say Terence Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utzie Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Sure, I'd trade him for Dez, Bruce Carter and a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 With the Browns luck at drafting QBs, I would say if Manziel turned out to be an above average starter at the least, you couldn't pry him away from the team for 3 1st rounders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Buffalo Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 The Cowboys would need to give up too much to make this trade. Jerry wouldn't risk looking like a total fool by passing up on Manziel in the draft and then trading away too much to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Obviously, this is an extremely hypothetical situation. But an extremely interesting one... nice build. Would I do it? Yes. now the texans are a different story. Nice twist... Texans would make an interesting, JM trade partner. Hello Andre' Johnson plus picks? Maybe Savage as well? Also could be a partner, if BH was the one moved... I want Zach Martin, next year's first and 3rd rounder, plus another player....say Terence Williams. Nice... Considering players adds possibilities... While asking for Martin to simply be added to your Cowboy package strikes me a getting a tad greedy, asking for him while adding Greco to our package seems as something that might not be DOA. EDIT: Or could offer Schwartz and move either Martin or Bitonio to RT. Probably the latter... Have I mentioned lately that I am not a Schwartz fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockitch Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Now that we have Grossman, definately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Now that we have Grossman, definately. "WE"? GTFO douchebag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jockitch Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 "WE"? GTFO douchebag. Really? Internet tuff guy so scarry! LOL We have Hoyer, Grossman, and Shaw if needed. And if Shaw is needed, the season is shot anyway. Give him some NFL experience and see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 No F'in way. Not for any legitimate offer they would come up with. Certainly not for future picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 You'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston! But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you. PS-but I might consider if they take USFBrown with Manziel in the trade. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 You'd have a better chance of extorting from a worse team that has no QB and will have a tough time not being the worst team in the NFL this coming season-Houston! But Cleveland stays on the map and makes tons of $$ off JF just being on the roster as QB in training hehind Hoyer. You don't throw away a gold mine that takes little $ to keep producing for you. Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 2015 1st round + 2015 3rd Round + 2016 4th Round + cash to payback season tickets sold after draft That's my final offer if I'm the Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClevelandBrown Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Straight trade for Weeden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXDawg Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for them If Brian Cushing stays healthy, I could see 8-8. But that's their ceiling IMO. I see a 3 to 5 win team. Cushing just brings a certain thing to the team that's irreplaceable. The texans are a bunch of shirt Tuckers; they need his mean streak. Night and day team the last 2 years after he went down. Andre isn't happy, and he's been considered the classiest athlete in Houston history (next to biggio), something has to be wrong IMO. That core got blown up. The texans are such a boring franchise but I was impressed with their draft. I think the goal is to attract a veteran qb In the next couple of years. Maybe Eli manning? And win with the best defense in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Houston will have a winning season. Too good of a core to shit the bed again. Last season was a freak year for them I'll take some of that... I tried to watch my recording of their preseason opener and it was so painful that I barely made it thru the 1st QTR. No way they'd deal JJ Watt... Is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyin J Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Houston has already come out and say they avoided Manziel because of the media circus. Not O'Briens style anyways. I still think they trade for Mallett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 There sure is a lot of smoke on the internet about an Andre Johnson for Hoyer trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utzie Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 There sure is a lot of smoke on the internet about an Andre Johnson for Hoyer trade That would be a dumb trade for Houston... Who would Hoyer have to throw to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yes. I'd just give them manziel for free if it would get his homo fans off this board. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA fucking old man bleeding deacon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Maybe after he makes a Pro Bowl, lol. But Martin has been the real deal so far. Williams is going to have a big year. That is why I want them. You wanna make the deal, you gots to pony up. You wanna make that deal or not? On a side note, Cowboys are stocked at WR, if i were the Browns i would keep an eye on any WRs the Cowboys cut. There are two kids, Byrd and Boyd who i think have alot of potential. Dallas might try to sneak them onto the practice squad. Harris might be expendable this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 That would be a dumb trade for Houston... Who would Hoyer have to throw to? Not our problem, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yes. I'd just give them manziel for free if it would get his homo fans off this board. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I'm so glad he's the long term QB to piss off all the old men like Woody and USF and Choco. Pissed off old men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 why does everyone think Marcus Mariota or Raepist Winston is such hot shit? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 why does everyone think Marcus Mariota or Raepist Winston is such hot shit? WSS Mariota has never blown me away personally. Whenever he plays a good defense he crumbles (see Stanford) and he holds on to the ball far too long but he does have the intangibles you like. Winston is Luck/Manning/Elway RARITY of a talent. Maybe better than all of them by account of his freshman year. However, Jameis off the field is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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