Westside Steve Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-08-16/sports/os-blake-bortles-jaguars-mike-bianchi-0817-20140816_1_blake-bortles-blaine-gabbert-out-henne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 The writer really wants to throw Bortles out there Week 5 against the Steelers for his first game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 We really, really missed the boat on getting a franchise quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cvcanedy Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 We really, really missed the boat on getting a franchise quarterback. I know it's SO obvious after 2 preseason games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comeonman Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I know it's SO obvious after 2 preseason games.And I still believe the trade with BUF was an insurance policy for JF failing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 And I still believe the trade with BUF was an insurance policy for JF failing How would they know JF was still going to be around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 And I still believe the trade with BUF was an insurance policy for JF failing It was never meant to be that because no one could predict JF's free fall, (OK, I did) but that's how it's gonna work out. We got our CB, another 1st rnd pick this year and we (OK, the owner) took a flyer on JF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuwoohio Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Instant gratification, no matter how much people want it, usually doesn't happen that often with QB's. You do understand that the NFL doesn't spend much time with preseason practice anymore. They want money from folks to watch the practice in the form of crappy games. Give it time people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 We really, really missed the boat on getting a franchise quarterback. Wait a minute! You were all about Johnny until he wasn't made the starter after 2 damn exhibition games. Are you KIDDING? I sure hope so. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I know it's SO obvious after 2 preseason games. It was obvious at the beginning of last season when I said it the first time. Sorry that it took you so long to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Wait a minute! You were all about Johnny until he wasn't made the starter after 2 damn exhibition games. Are you KIDDING? I sure hope so. Mike Is this a joke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 We really, really missed the boat on getting a franchise quarterback. How? He was taken before we picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 In Round 3, Id like to see us take Blake Bortles and then BPA OG. Bortles has the qualities you'd like to see in a NFL QB and he's played some great games against top tier talent. Not to mention the fact that he has succeeded behind a subpar line and with questionable talent at his skill positions. Bortles is a guy that I think will find great success on Sundays as long as he's not thrown into the fire from the get-go. Getting an OG to start opposite Greco should help shore up our line. Lauvao and Pinkston are decent enough fillers, but neither are starter worthy. Then in FA, we go for Browner from Seattle. Seattle is going to have to shell out big money to keep Okung and Thomas, Browner will probably be a cap casualty. We hand the reigns to Hoyer and let Bortles wait in the wings. Even if Hoyer proves to be unsuccessful, he'll be a great mentor for Bortles. If both QB's suck, we'll be in position and have some firepower to grab Famous Jameis." "We/re missing key components but have a good foundation built. Add a franchise QB (please, after today, let it be Bortles), add a RT who doesn't suck hog, get an ILB who can step up and lay some lumber, and get a #2 CB and we'll be set. I think you'll be surprised at how much better our receivers play when we get a good QB in there. " "As I've been saying all year, I'm a big fan of Bortles. Moreso than Manziel. I just want to see a fair and rational argument debunking Manziel, not the same bullshit everybody throws around: "Oh, he's a dick and I don't want his weasel face on my team." You say that you're against the premature Manziel love, yet you're spewing premature Manziel hate just as often. Same story, just opposite ends of the Personally, I'd rather see us take Bortles for a multitude of a reasons, but that is neither here nor there. " "Best case- Bortles Worst case- anyone else" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 How? He was taken before we picked? Did I miss something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Wait a minute! You were all about Johnny until he wasn't made the starter after 2 damn exhibition games. Are you KIDDING? I sure hope so. Mike Mike overall I recall TCPO being big time into Bortles not Johnny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I was high on Bortles too, but if I remember correctly he was drafted before we picked. Sort of prompted the trade down I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I was high on Bortles too, but if I remember correctly he was drafted before we picked. Sort of prompted the trade down I'm sure. I didn't realize he was taken first overall. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Wait a minute! You were all about Johnny until he wasn't made the starter after 2 damn exhibition games. Are you KIDDING? I sure hope so. Mike Is this a joke? Mike overall I recall TCPO being big time into Bortles not Johnny. Hey guys...I stand corrected & my apologies to TCPO. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Jaguars want to learn from the Gabbert thing that's all. Rushing out Gabbert and Vikings rushing out Ponder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Hey guys...I stand corrected & my apologies to TCPO. Mike To be fair, I've been in Manziel's corner since we drafted him, so I could see where you were coming from. I'm just a fan of Roethlisberger's combination of size and style of play, personally. That's why I was really big on Bortles. Manziel at least has the same improvisational skills, just in a much smaller package. But, straight up, I'd take Bortles over Manziel any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 We really, really missed the boat on getting a franchise quarterback. Tad premature... but so far so good... Had to chuckle at the accuracy of the non-QB portions of your draft/ FA analysis... OG... CB... RT... No surprise that the pieces obtained are different, but the needs were on the mark. Now maybe we just need that RT... and a couple true, 3-4 OLBs... I was high on Bortles too, but if I remember correctly he was drafted before we picked. Sort of prompted the trade down I'm sure. Have we ever heard anything to indicate the FO was poised to take Bortles at #4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Prior to the draft, Farmer said there was "a" quarterback that he was interested in.....but then declined to say he if would take him at 4..... Gotta believe, with as desperate as we are for a QB, that he wouldn't pass up the chance to grab "the one" at #8....right? So, personally I think he wanted Bortles at 4 and then, when he got picked, they went to plan B........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Prior to the draft, Farmer said there was "a" quarterback that he was interested in.....but then declined to say he if would take him at 4..... Gotta believe, with as desperate as we are for a QB, that he wouldn't pass up the chance to grab "the one" at #8....right? So, personally I think he wanted Bortles at 4 and then, when he got picked, they went to plan B........ I'd forgotten that... makes Bortles at #4 a plausible scenario, but... The QB of interest could have also been JM. Farmer also said that they'd done their homework and had a good sense of who was going when. We may have to wait for Ray's memoir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Ye I'd forgotten that... makes Bortles at #4 a plausible scenario, but...The QB of interest could have also been JM. Farmer also said that they'd done their homework and had a good sense of who was going when.We may have to wait for Ray's memoir... Yep....plausible is as good as we'll ever get from him......he'll never tell us..... Though....IF JF was his guy, then he was a hell of a gambler to just let him roll past the Cowboys..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Tad premature... but so far so good... Had to chuckle at the accuracy of the non-QB portions of your draft/ FA analysis... OG... CB... RT... No surprise that the pieces obtained are different, but the needs were on the mark. Now maybe we just need that RT... and a couple true, 3-4 OLBs... Have we ever heard anything to indicate the FO was poised to take Bortles at #4? In my opinion, I believe Farmer had his eye on Bortles all along but was never given the go-ahead to move up and get him. Haslam can say what he wants about not being involved in the draft, but Loggains blew the lid off when he said this: "When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine). I'm like, 'This guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam said, 'Pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'" If I had to guess, I would say that Farmer had his eye on Bortles throughout the entire pre-draft process. He played up to the Manziel hype and downplayed the interest in Bortles so as not to show his hand. When Bortles was taken by Jacksonville, immediately before our pick, Farmer instantly decided to move down, acquire ammunition in next year's draft, and then build a solid defense and offensive line. He would have taken Tom Savage in the third or fourth and let him learn behind Hoyer and given Hoyer a true tryout period, then taken Jameis, Hundley, or Mariota next year at the top of the draft. Meanwhile, this entire time, Haslam wanted Manziel. Farmer had talked Haslam down, but this nonsense with the text got Jimmy all riled up and forced Farmer to make an unwanted trade. Now, Cleveland is in a bad spot. Farmer isn't going to be allowed to take the top-rated prospect in next year's draft because the organization will look silly. Instead of possibly having two top-10 picks in next year's draft and clear holes to be addressed, Cleveland will have a muddled QB situation and a bunch of excuses for keeping underperforming skill players...same as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I remember TCPO banging hard on Bortles way early in the year. So early, I had no idea who he was....... Props! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USFBrown Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I remember TCPO banging hard on Bortles way early in the year. So early, I had no idea who he was....... Props! And i recall him saying we're probably getting Manziel around that time. We have our own board Soupslayer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I'm plenty wrong: I think James Davis can be a great RB in the league, but we'll just have to see. As for Harrison, he's sticking around no matter what we say. Hoyer will suck, Thigpen will do well but get injured, Young will prove to be serviceable but get injured, Hoyer will come back in and suck, and then Alex Tanney will get the Week 17 start. I don't like Hoyer because he's not good. But for some reason he's the heir apparent to everyone. Or could just be that Gipson sticks so much that a practice squad player is challenging for the starting job. Gipson is also garbage. He wouldn't start for any other team in the NFL. According to NFL.com, he was the 163rd best defensive back in 2012. A real gem. I wouldn't be surprised to see Geno Smith have a Donovan McNabb-esque career. Nor will I be surprised if EJ Manuel turns out to become a solid franchise QB a la Daunte Culpepper. Same goes for Tyler Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I didn't realize he was taken first overall. My mistake. At this point, with perfect 20/20 hindsight, would you make the trade the Rams wanted to make for the #2 pick... speculating it was both 1sts and a 2nd or 3rd ... As it turns out... Gilbert and Manziel + Buffalo's #1 next year + add in (Bitonio, Kirksey, and/or West or our next year's 2nd and/or 3rd) + more (including Buffalo's #4 next year) we would need to make the deal happen for Blake Bortles I'm not so sure. 3 weeks into preseason isn't enough to look back and wish we had given up all that talent for a guy who "might" be great. And if you remember, I was just as high on Bortles as anybody during the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 At this point, with perfect 20/20 hindsight, would you make the trade the Rams wanted to make for the #2 pick... speculating it was both 1sts and a 2nd or 3rd ... As it turns out... Gilbert and Manziel + Buffalo's #1 next year + add in (Bitonio, Kirksey, and/or West or our next year's 2nd and/or 3rd) + more (including Buffalo's #4 next year) we would need to make the deal happen for Blake Bortles I'm not so sure. 3 weeks into preseason isn't enough to look back and wish we had given up all that talent for a guy who "might" be great. And if you remember, I was just as high on Bortles as anybody during the draft. With 20/20 hindsight, I wouldn't have taken that trade. I would have done exactly what Farmer did, wait until Bortles got drafted, then trade back for a future first. What I wouldn't have done is I wouldn't have taken Manziel at #22 (or any QB, for that matter). I would have waited until the third to take Savage, let Hoyer fly this season, and then (depending on the draft pick position next year) taken the best QB prospect in the draft next year. That's where I think we messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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