The Gipper Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Holy fuck. Bridgewater would not sign here. Get over this shit already - you're 100% wrong. Your entire post is predicated upon the assumption that he would sign once drafted. His agent stated quite clearly "Cleveland is not the place he wants to be." Passing on him was, in fact, the right move. There are of course other busts at the end of the first that year [Marcus Smith, Dee Ford, Jimmie Smith] but there are also hits [Deone Bucannon, Dominique Easley, Jason Verrett, Kelvin Benjamin].. so good players were still available other than He Who Shall Not Be Named. This is as dumb of a post as I have seen lately: If the Browns drafted Bridgewater he would have signed and played here. Simple as that. What was he going to do, sit out a year, not play....and be completely forgotten and fallen down to maybe be a mid round choice? His agent would not have put up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Gipper, here is the deal. Your reasoning is logical. But also, the reasoning of getting a QB first is logical. There is no one guaranteed way to build a championship team. Theisman's Skins had an unbelievable OL, Miami had balance everywhere, Denver and The first ravens was D, The Patriots were mostly unstoppable offense. Cowher did it by coaching up, not making mistakes, and playing hard block and tackle football. Here is one thing I learned in business and in life; you can't copy success. It just doesn't happen. OJ, Brown, Franco, Payton... all great, all unique.Stabler, Staubach,, Williams, Warner, Brady, et. al....none of them were similar. Each group of men will find its own personality, its own style, its own way to win. All the bullshit of who we MUST pick first, is just that, bullshit. It's rhetoric.' The only sure fire way to build a winner is to have players that give their all, that don't make mistakes, that execute, that contribute no matter what. No matter who the Browns draft, without a defined team culture, strategy and focus, it won't matter who they draft. No one or two players is going to turn this shit bag into a winner. This draft is important, but it isn't the most important factor in the Browns becoming a winner. Fair enough. All excellent points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 It wasn't just any team, though - it was only Cleveland. He only denied one of 32. He said that pre-draft as well, so it's not like he was unclear. He didn't say he'd hold out if NYJ drafted him He didnt say he'd hold out here either....definitely would've signed. Just said he preferred Minnesota. after he was drafted by Minn..... Oh I remember his him running his mouth after he went to Minnesota, and his mommy or somebody saying they didn't want him to go to Cleveland. And if you want to think that analytics has proved that Bilgewater is the best quarterback of his class knock yourself out. I think it was Devontes Parkers Mommy making all the noise......she was something else...... On the analytics....I dont think they can predict who will ultimately be the best(ceiling)...more about who wont be the worst or who is most likely to succeed at any level(floor).... And, Id say, of the 4 main guys Bridgewater, Bortles, Carr & JFF.....3 of em had bigger question marks, risk vs reward.......and Bridgewater had the highest floor, but not the highest ceiling....making him a safe pick, but one who probably wouldn't become a superstar.... Bortles and Johnny had huge question marks creating more risk....but the reward factor was so much higher if they developed well...so, do you roll the dice on a star or take the safe hum drum pick??.....and, Im thinking, analytics will tell you who the safe pick is.... Wash, rinse repeat...every 2 years fire HC and GM ...we are doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result but at least this time we are looking in a different direction by using analytics. I like the idea of trying something different too....repeating the same mistake over and over gets tiring...so this seems like an attempt not to do that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I like the idea of trying something different too....repeating the same mistake over and over gets tiring...so this seems like an attempt not to do that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisky fringo Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 My point is this: I am all in on the Browns getting that killer defense.....and then getting the good QB possibly by another method. i'm in!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 This is as dumb of a post as I have seen lately: If the Browns drafted Bridgewater he would have signed and played here. Simple as that. What was he going to do, sit out a year, not play....and be completely forgotten and fallen down to maybe be a mid round choice? His agent would not have put up with that. Maybe, maybe not. http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/05/13/teddy-bridgewater-cleveland-browns-nfl-draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Maybe, maybe not. http://www.si.com/nfl/audibles/2014/05/13/teddy-bridgewater-cleveland-browns-nfl-draft I'd say that would be a pretty bold move for a guy who sneaked into the first round by the skin of his ass. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Speaking of Albert- They just announced yesterday he was right about the existence of gravity waves. Took 100 years to prove it though. http://www.space.com/31900-gravitational-waves-discovery-ligo.html Gravitational waves were first predicted by Albert Einstein in his famous 1916 paper on general relativity. One of the central, and strangest, tenets of general relativity is that space and time are not separate things but rather are linked together in a single fabric: space-time. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Speaking of Albert- They just announced yesterday he was right about the existence of gravity waves. Took 100 years to prove it though. http://www.space.com/31900-gravitational-waves-discovery-ligo.html Gravitational waves were first predicted by Albert Einstein in his famous 1916 paper on general relativity. One of the central, and strangest, tenets of general relativity is that space and time are not separate things but rather are linked together in a single fabric: space-time. - Anyone that watched Sliders knew that. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Speaking of Albert- They just announced yesterday he was right about the existence of gravity waves. Took 100 years to prove it though. http://www.space.com/31900-gravitational-waves-discovery-ligo.html I was wondering how they detected the waves, and knew what and how far away the triggering event was... now I know. Sweet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike H Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 It wasn't just any team, though - it was only Cleveland. He only denied one of 32. He said that pre-draft as well, so it's not like he was unclear. He didn't say he'd hold out if NYJ drafted him, for example -- and they'd probably have done much better with him rather than the forgettable Calvin Pryor at the 18. It's interesting debating counterfactuals.. because the only fact that was in the war room at the time was that he stated he wasn't going to sign. Here's the thoughts that get me regarding that list, though, after Teddy is ignored: Was Manziel #2 on this analysis? If he actually was, wouldn't Haslam buy into analytics less at this point, because the list would have been shown to be a crapshoot? Wouldn't a more plausible theory be... The study showed that Manziel was essentially undraftable [because of shyte ability to actually play quarterback, as we have seen, or because he as a person is not professional] but Haslam overruled the study and ordered the draft of Manziel -- and now is humble, thus willing to leave the football to the football people who were right all along??? at least you're not a full-on mouth breather, oh wait, you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I was wondering how they detected the waves, and knew what and how far away the triggering event was... now I know. Sweet... Confirms everything I know about black holes. The closer you get the more they just suck you in until gravity takes over and there's no getting away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Confirms everything I know about black holes. The closer you get the more they just suck you in until gravity takes over and there's no getting away. Since this is a football board & one of my other hobbies is Astronomy- I'll keep it short. I always wondered about why they represented a Black Hole as one of those vortex gizmos you occasionally see. Drop a coin in the vortex, the farther down it goes, the faster the coin spins. They warp gravity in the same way. The Black Holes that merged were spinning around one another 70 times a second before they merged. As far as nothing getting away- not exactly, Has to do with a plausible explanation of the Big Bang. Shoot me a PM and I'll explain, has to do with E=MC2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Since this is a football board & one of my other hobbies is Astronomy- I'll keep it short. I always wondered about why they represented a Black Hole as one of those vortex gizmos you occasionally see. Drop a coin in the vortex, the farther down it goes, the faster the coin spins. They warp gravity in the same way. The Black Holes that merged were spinning around one another 70 times a second before they merged. As far as nothing getting away- not exactly, Has to do with a plausible explanation of the Big Bang. Shoot me a PM and I'll explain, has to do with E=MC2. Matter doesn't get away but energy does. Energy amounting to three times that of our sun escaped that black hole collision, 1.3bn years ago, and warped spacetime. Incredible. And the detection methods, the ripples it caused were so infinitessimal - if the laser detectors ran, instead of the 2000 miles or so they do run, if they ran from here to the nearest star (proxima centauri), the difference would be a hair's width. So scaled back to 2000 miles, and it's fractions of fractions of atoms. To think we have detectors capable of such things is astonishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I just watched a program a few days ago before this latest research came out. One of thee things that happens as another object approaches a black hole's event horizon is that time slows down to next to nothing. wonder what takes place when two black holes intercept at their event horizons as they spiral in to one another. Sometimes the intelligence I see on this board (beyond the bickering and bombast) is astounding. I'm reading an excellent book at the moment entitled, "The Copernicus Complex-Our cosmic significance in a universe of planets and probabilities." And excellent read inclusive of most recent finds in astronomy about planetary systems found around other stars thus far. It's like comparative anatomy of the cosmos. BTW on the Science Channel Sunday Feb. 21 @ 8pm CT and on the Discovery Channel Sat. Feb. 20 @ 8pm CT there is a program on the James Webb telescope, the next gen step up from Hubble. Program will discuss the high expectations for his newest space telescope. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/ http://www.space.com/30877-james-webb-space-telescope-documentary.html 100 X's more powerful than Hubble and capable of detecting "signature of life" on other planets far from our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I just watched a program a few days ago before this latest research came out. One of thee things that happens as another object approaches a black hole's event horizon is that time slows down to next to nothing. wonder what takes place when two black holes intercept at their event horizons as they spiral in to one another. Sometimes the intelligence I see on this board (beyond the bickering and bombast) is astounding. I'm reading an excellent book at the moment entitled, "The Copernicus Complex-Our cosmic significance in a universe of planets and probabilities." And excellent read inclusive of most recent finds in astronomy about planetary systems found around other stars thus far. It's like comparative anatomy of the cosmos. BTW on the Science Channel Sunday Feb. 21 @ 8pm CT and on the Discovery Channel Sat. Feb. 20 @ 8pm CT there is a program on the James Webb telescope, the next gen step up from Hubble. Program will discuss the high expectations for his newest space telescope. http://www.jwst.nasa.gov/ http://www.space.com/30877-james-webb-space-telescope-documentary.html 100 X's more powerful than Hubble and capable of detecting "signature of life" on other planets far from our own. Two black hoes wouldn't have much of a different effect than a single black hole of the combined masses, at a shared event horizon. Time slowed down to almost nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joedawg69 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I think our best case would be to draft a qb and bring in the free agent that gives us the best chance to win and let them compete for qb. A good example of this would be Denver with Manning and Osweiler. I don't expect us to get a free agent the caliber of Manning but at least we could have a capable back up if our rookie does turn out to be a franchise caliber qb. This by no means is saying we need to get or don't need to get a qb with the number 2 pick just that we don't need to reach if we do not feel the qb is not worth the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wargograw Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Two black hoes wouldn't have much of a different effect than a single black hole of the combined masses, at a shared event horizon. Time slowed down to almost nothing. You obviously don't know the power of two black hoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 You obviously don't know the power of two black hoes. Oprah and Beyonce WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 You obviously don't know the power of two black hoes. Seriously... what the "L"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Seriously... what the "L"??? Sounds like war is going for a double decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 at least you're not a full-on mouth breather, oh wait, you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Matter doesn't get away but energy does. Energy amounting to three times that of our sun escaped that black hole collision, 1.3bn years ago, and warped spacetime. Incredible. And the detection methods, the ripples it caused were so infinitessimal - if the laser detectors ran, instead of the 2000 miles or so they do run, if they ran from here to the nearest star (proxima centauri), the difference would be a hair's width. So scaled back to 2000 miles, and it's fractions of fractions of atoms. To think we have detectors capable of such things is astonishing. And it all gets boiled down to this, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 You obviously don't know the power of two black hoes. Like these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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