Tour2ma Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Lot of lists to follow. Won't copy and paste them, but will link to them so any so inclined can look for themselves.Passing YardsHere's the Top 100, Single season passing yardage leaders:http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-yds-player-season.htmlOf the 100 (includes some repeats) here are the "great" NFL names, 4 in total:28. Philip Rivers, 29. Ben Roethlisberger, 83/94. Drew Brees, 95. Steve Young Here are the good NFL names, 3 in total:24. Jim McMahon, 27. Matt Ryan, 89. Carson Palmer Here are the TBD names:9/68. Derek Carr, 38. Nick Foles, 44. Robert Griffin III, T-53. Geno Smith, 56. Bryce Petty, 67. Johnny Manziel, 72. Jameis Winston, 75. Brock Osweiler, 76. Mike Glennon, 84. Teddy TwatwaterTD PassesHere's the Top 100, Single season passing TD leaders:http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-td-player-season.htmlOf the 100 (includes some repeats) here are the "great" NFL names, 8 in total:T-28. Drew Brees, T-46. Andrew Luck, T-46. Ben Roethlisberger, T-46. Dan Marino, T-62. Peyton Manning, T-82. Philip Rivers, T-98. Steve Young Here are the good NFL names, 5 in total:T-8. Jim McMahon, T-21/T-46. Chad Pennington, T-37. Doug Williams, T-98. Russell Wilson, T-98. Carson Palmer Here are the TBD names:T-4/T-46. Derek Carr, Sam Bradford, 20. Kellen Moore, T-21. Geno Smith, 25. Jameis Winston, T-37. Marcus Mariota, T-46. Sean Mannion, T-46. Johnny Manziel, T-46. Robert Griffin III, T-62. Aaron Murray, T-62. Sam Bradford, T-82. J.T. Barrett, T-98. David Fales (2)RatingHere's the Top 100, Single season passer rating leaders:http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.htmlOf the 100 (includes some repeats) here are the "great" NFL names, 4 in total:43. Philip Rivers* 170.49, 45/47. Andrew Luck* 170.16, 55. Steve Young* 168.45, 73. Ben Roethlisberger* 165.84 Here are the good NFL names, 14 in total:1. Russell Wilson 191.78, 8. Cam Newton* 182.05, 14. Jim McMahon* 176.87, 16. Alex Smith* 176.52, 27. Jason Campbell* 172.89, 29. Kerry Collins* 172.85, 34. Chad Pennington* 171.41, 37. Michael Vick* 171.08, 40. Rex Grossman* 170.75, 44. Daunte Culpepper 170.24, 59. Trent Dilfer* 167.20, 67. Andy Dalton* 166.48, 74. Vinny Testaverde* 165.79, 79. Mark Sanchez* 164.64 Here are the TBD names:2. Robert Griffin III 189.48, 4. Marcus Mariota 186.11, 6. Jameis Winston 184.84, 10/15. Sam Bradford* 180.84, 18. A.J. McCarron* 175.28, 22. Aaron Murray* 174.82, 23. Bryce Petty* 174.29, 28. Johnny Manziel* 172.88, 33. Zach Mettenberger* 171.45, 36. Teddy Twatwater* 171.14, 39. David Fales* 170.76 2012 San Jose State, 46. J.T. Barrett 169.83, 57. Marcus Mariota* 167.66, 61. A.J. McCarron* 167.17, 72. David Carr* 165.91, 92. Ryan Mallett* 163.65, 94. Blake Bortles* 163.43, 97. Marcus Mariota* 163.23, 100. Connor Shaw* 162.94No sure the above sheds a great deal of light on the predictability puzzle with the possible exception that yards take a backseat to other measures. It's your thread now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Never met a stat I couldn't twist.....or an argument that I couldn't find a stat to support.....so........ I dont think there IS a stat that translates college to NFL. Otherwise EVERYONE would know what that stat is and it would be the standard....right? Nope...it's the whole package that has to be evaluate..... Stats: Ok....its a starting point at least. But so many things have to be accounted for from the system, to competition, to team talent, to coaching style, etc.... Tangibles....body type, size, release speed, footwork, etc are all things for the eye test.... Intangibles....work ethic, coachability, maturity, resilience, will to win, etc....this stuff is a crap shoot, but very very important.. So, I say, it's everything and no collection of stats is gonna guarantee anything..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 ^^ Nailed it. There is no quantitative stat that defines a QB. They are, all of them, symbiotic. If I had to come up with a stat, release time and average time from snap to throw would be up there. I feel this would indicate not only a quality NFL quick release but also decisive decision making. However those can be skewed with bubble screens, slants and quick outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside5 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 No stats in my estimation, comparing apples to oranges. I would tend to look at a "prototype" . Size arm strength and agility I think obviously fits that bill. Most importantly is what's between the ears academically and socially . Does the kid have analytical skills and good study habits . Can he relate to others socially. What type personality is he A or B and which am I looking for to fit in . Does he have a juvenile police record . Sounds like Dr. Frankenstein I know but before I would invest potentially millions of dollars in this guy I want to have an informed idea of what I'm getting other than stats and physical attributes. GO BROWNS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Here's what you look for: Dan Marino's release, John Elway's arm, Steve Young's legs Peyton Manning's brain and Joe Montana's cool PROBLEM SOLVED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon. WSS Yep...lots of turds....here is a selection of ist round picks from just the last 10 years.....all 1st rounders..... Manuel RGIII Weeden Locker Gabbert Ponder Bradford Tebow Sanchez Freeman J. Russell Quinn V. Young Leinert Cutler Campbell Losman So....in 10 years, a total of 31 QB's have been picked 1st round.....and the 17 listed above have been less than good so far..... Which means there are still 14 out there who either are playing well....or still unproven(including this years class of 3)..... And I guess the only point is that these guys all had SOMETHING the experts liked from college....they were the best of the best and most had great college stats....or the perfect skill set....or the best body type....but still fell short at a rate greater than 50% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 ^Love him or hate him, Jay Cutler isn't a 1st round dud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richiswhere Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Just like hardcore porn .....you know it when you see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 ^Love him or hate him, Jay Cutler isn't a 1st round dud. Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best! Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB. He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average. He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondwave Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB. He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average. He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference. Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best! Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench..... Simmer down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference. Simmer down. I didn't say dud, but he's not good either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Simmer down. Simmering just fine....still think he's a dud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon. Plenty... as well as a whole lotta "Who?" Pick a link any link... or I could read and record the entire list, e-mail it to you... You lazy fuck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted December 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference. Agree... Cutler's no dud. He's a "couldabeen"... in the end they are even more destructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumbergh Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Rule #1: Must not run the spread option. Eliminate all QBs who ran spread option in college, including Marcus Mariota (who will suck in the NFL). The spread option has fucked up all these stat comparisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted December 20, 2014 Report Share Posted December 20, 2014 Plenty... as well as a whole lotta "Who?" Pick a link any link... or I could read and record the entire list, e-mail it to you... You lazy fuck... Oh since there are only a few listed I assumed the rest sucked or didn't count. I'd try to cobble together a point from that, but as you say... WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 NFL wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Rule #1: Must not run the spread option. Eliminate all QBs who ran spread option in college, including Marcus Mariota (who will suck in the NFL). The spread option has fucked up all these stat comparisions. ((()))) Love ya Beavers. Try not to gloat too much if DA wins the game today. Our pal Shep said one of the best predictors is # of games played in college. No it isn't. Sure, you have guys like the Mannings and Rotlisberger- but there's a bunch of NFL bums who were 4 year starters- like Colt McCoy- or worse- who never did jack in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browns149 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 I agree the spread offense is hurting the college QB's chances of making it in the NFL. NFL QB's need to win from the pocket by reading defenses and making the correct throw. The spread doesn't help those skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 give me a guy who can read a defense, go through progressions quickly and deliver the ball accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconHound Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I would say physicality plays a much larger role than stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Couch Pulls Out Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 give me a guy who can read a defense, go through progressions quickly and deliver the ball accurately. Brian Hoyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Brian Hoyer? The Dr. Jekyll version, sure. You can keep Mr. Hyde Hoyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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