calfoxwc Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/2/17/14634402/cleveland-browns-potential-draft-target-patrick-mahomes Haven't watched the videos yet. But I still like Trubisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLD Woody Posted February 18, 2017 Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 We have about 20 needs ranked above "raw, developmental QB" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2017 The hardest one to fill is... qb that gets it. That -has- it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 We have about 20 needs ranked above "raw, developmental QB" ^^^This. The hardest one to fill is... qb that gets it. That -has- it. Scrambles with the best of them. Mechanics are a mess. Debatable if they can be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElkDawg Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'll take Mahomes ll all day long over the other rookies. Kosar (remember him)? Had horrid mechanics too. It can be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 The QB debacle is in full swing, and nobody knows how it will play out. Regardless of what our front office says, they are still reeling from the Wentz trade. Yes, I realize Wentz didn't have a good statistical year, and his last 10 games or so were pretty damn bad, but when you look at who he had to throw to, his running game, and the fact he was a rookie from a tiny school, I think many people would say he has the look of a quality QB. This really hurts our team because we obviously can't afford to miss out on a guy now, and I'm worried that our missing out on Wentz will affect how we draft this year. At pick #12, there's no guarantee the QB we like will be there. Problem is, it doesn't APPEAR that any of these QB's will be ready to start day 1, so we'd potentially be drafting a player at #1 that won't even PLAY. What a mind screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 I'll take Mahomes ll all day long over the other rookies. Kosar (remember him)? Had horrid mechanics too. It can be done Bernie also had it between the ears. I've seen no evidence of Patrick being on that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsympathetic Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Someone who doesn't have an NFL arm and whose only Plus skill is scrambling? We've never seen that in a Browns jersey! Where do I sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Make-Believe Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Pretty much. Zero interest from this fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Someone who doesn't have an NFL arm and whose only Plus skill is scrambling? We've never seen that in a Browns jersey! Where do I sign? If you think his arm is sub-par then you haven't watched him at all. Plenty of other things to be concerned about but even with his horrible mechanics he can throw from anywhere (and on any footing) to anywhere on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Anyone that says Manziel didn't have an NFL arm is crazy. His arm was plenty strong, and just about all of use problems reside between the ears. The truly said thing about Manziel was that he appeared to be getting just a little comfortable towards the end of his playing days. He was moving the ball, hitting receivers, and not putting himself in jeopardy. I'm not saying he was "terrific" or anything, but he was making legit progress. If that progress were to continue into the next year, there's really no telling where he could've ended up on the talent spectrum. Laugh all you want, but I think he was starting to get it on the field. As we all know, that's never enough. Although he did show improvement, he didn't score enough touchdowns. He couldn't convert when we needed it, and he obviously couldn't control his self-destructive behavior. As I've said before, the extremely sad aspect to Manziel was that Hue Jackson would've been great for his QB development. Manziel does a lot of what Hue likes on the field. He attacks the middle, can throw off the run, isn't afraid to run a read-option, and can throw it deep. He would've been excellent in Hue's offense, and that's just another tragedy in a long line of other ones we don't need to talk about. Mahomes doesn't just have an "OK arm", he actually has a pretty LIVE arm. He isn't without a myriad of issues, but I don't think arm strength is one of them. I wouldn't be upset if Browns took this kid (sometime AFTER #1 of course), but if we do select him, we better have another veteran coming in because he doesn't appear to be CLOSE to being NFL starter ready, and he's basically indicated as much. Mahomes recently stated that he's ready to be coached, and knows he has things to work on. From what I've read, he's solid gold off the field, and he's not going to have any skeletons. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mahomes quickly becomes the darling of the draft, much as Wentz was last year. Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'd be comfortable with drafting Mahomes and naming Kessler as the starter. Kessler had some decent moments last year, and if the guy had a kicker and a damn defense, I think he would've won a couple more games. How will Kessler look with an entire NFL offseason under his belt? A year in the weight room and throwing the rock? An offseason named our starter which enables him to take all the minicamp and OTA reps? Start Kessler out of the gates, work with Mahomes, and also see how Hogan develops? I wouldn't hate it one bit. It's a risk, but why not? Maybe cut Hogan and just keep RG III? He's cheap enough. I dunno...just thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Sign me up for Mahomes at 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKAllDay Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Sign me up for Mahomes at 33.I'd love that, but he won't make it that far The only scenario he doesn't go in the first round is if no QB's go in the top 10. However, if we or Chicago take a QB high, the rest of them are going to go fast, and Mahomes will be easily gone in the first. At least that's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I'd love that, but he won't make it that far The only scenario he doesn't go in the first round is if no QB's go in the top 10. However, if we or Chicago take a QB high, the rest of them are going to go fast, and Mahomes will be easily gone in the first. At least that's how I see it. Four QBs in the first round? I'd say...50/50. When I say 33, I could also be happy throwing in a fourth rounder and moving up into the back end of the first (fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Live arm poor mechanics sounds like Kapernick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 poor brain mechanics, too.... btw, I am still all in on Trubisky, but taking him at the top of the draft seems silly. And, sorry, forgot to give Flugels credit for the "my homies" thing - it was really funny the first time he mentioned it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 And, sorry, forgot to give Flugels credit for the "my homies" thing - it was really funny the first time he mentioned it to me. Too late... damage has been done... you've been flagged and removed from the Browns' Big Board due to "Character Issues". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted February 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 dammit. I could have used a million dollar signing bonus, too. I was going to buy a nice cabin on a lake in Kentucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKAllDay Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Four QBs in the first round? I'd say...50/50. When I say 33, I could also be happy throwing in a fourth rounder and moving up into the back end of the first (fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option fifth year option) I don't think it's a sure thing that he's going to go #4 at QB. It's really a crapshoot with regards to the order these QB's could go in. A lot still has to be solidified. Any of the four could be the first QB to go, or the last. They all have tremendous upside, paired with terrifying negatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 To be honest I'm OK with any of them at 33. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 Edit: The more I think about it, the more I'd be comfortable with drafting Mahomes and naming Kessler as the starter. Kessler had some decent moments last year, and if the guy had a kicker and a damn defense, I think he would've won a couple more games. How will Kessler look with an entire NFL offseason under his belt? A year in the weight room and throwing the rock? An offseason named our starter which enables him to take all the minicamp and OTA reps? Start Kessler out of the gates, work with Mahomes, and also see how Hogan develops? I wouldn't hate it one bit. It's a risk, but why not? Maybe cut Hogan and just keep RG III? He's cheap enough. I dunno...just thinking out loud. No sense keeping Griffin around as a backup. He's either our bridge starter, or he's gone. My bet is gone- regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 No sense keeping Griffin around as a backup. He's either our bridge starter, or he's gone. My bet is gone- regardless. I think he's either out and out starter and we don't draft a guy, or he's gone. We need someone to not fuck us up in games and let the team grow, that's Kessler for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted February 24, 2017 Report Share Posted February 24, 2017 I think he's either out and out starter and we don't draft a guy, or he's gone. We need someone to not fuck us up in games and let the team grow, that's Kessler for a year. They WILL draft a QB. Whether that is at the top...or somewhere down the line, they will pick up somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambridgeho Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Seen the Gruden camp video of him yesterday. The kid comes accross really confident and cocky altogether. He is a project for sure, but has a very nice arm. We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Allbright chimes in on the best QB prospect in the draft... Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL Pat Mahomes, and it's not particularly close for me, either. https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/845678463830966272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted March 25, 2017 Report Share Posted March 25, 2017 Allbright chimes in on the best QB prospect in the draft... Benjamin AllbrightVerified account @AllbrightNFL Pat Mahomes, and it's not particularly close for me, either. https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/845678463830966272 Ya, Tour we heard the same thing about Johnny Football, who's playing style he resembles. "Highest ceiling, lowest floor." I think they way he played in college translates 0% to the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBrown Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 I'd take a chance on him in the third round but no sooner and I doubt he'll last until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Honestly.....one of my main beefs with last years draft was taking Kessler in the 3rd.....a guy we KNEW wasnt gonna be our future, yet we burned(what I consider to be) a high draft pick on.......(and we cant afford to burn picks)...... So.....THIS YEAR......please dont burn another 1st - 2nd - 3rd on a back up......we already have a stable full...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Honestly.....one of my main beefs with last years draft was taking Kessler in the 3rd.....a guy we KNEW wasnt gonna be our future, yet we burned(what I consider to be) a high draft pick on.......(and we cant afford to burn picks)...... So.....THIS YEAR......please dont burn another 1st - 2nd - 3rd on a back up......we already have a stable full...... But we like chainsaw sheds Mud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted March 26, 2017 Report Share Posted March 26, 2017 Pretty sure no team spends a 1-2-3 on a QB they feel is destined to be a backup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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