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Ringo Starr is now an individual member of the R&R Hall of Fame. Good for him. I always considered him to be underrated as a member of the Fab Four.

 

Any way.............more than any other HOF, perhaps, the R&R has members that really make me scratch my head. I understand that R&R is kind of a misnomer as it extends from R&R to Soul to Folk to Blues, etc. I guess it's all Rock and Roll and I like it.

 

However, unless I am mistaken, there are AT LEAST two artists I can list off the top of my head that should be part of the HOF. Actually, IMHO, no Rock & Roll Hall of Fame can be legit without the following being members:

 

Johnny Rivers - plenty of Hits and has albums recorded in 6 decades.

 

The Monkees - music, TV, Pop Icons, etc.

 

 

Off the top of your heads, who else is being overlooked????

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certainly the Moody Blues and if it were up to me Procol Harum, but granted they've only had a couple hits. I can't fathom the idea that Green Day carries that much weight. I don't despise them but they seem like a footnote to the punk genre.

WSS

I was baffled that green day made it in. I mean yeah they've had a lot of big hits but they're not that great in my mind

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certainly the Moody Blues and if it were up to me Procol Harum, but granted they've only had a couple hits. I can't fathom the idea that Green Day carries that much weight. I don't despise them but they seem like a footnote to the punk genre.

WSS

Certainly, the Moody Blues should be part of it.

 

Commercial success. Eloquent music. Long lasting. You name it.

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Ringo Starr is now an individual member of the R&R Hall of Fame. Good for him. I always considered him to be underrated as a member of the Fab Four.

 

Any way.............more than any other HOF, perhaps, the R&R has members that really make me scratch my head. I understand that R&R is kind of a misnomer as it extends from R&R to Soul to Folk to Blues, etc. I guess it's all Rock and Roll and I like it.

 

However, unless I am mistaken, there are AT LEAST two artists I can list off the top of my head that should be part of the HOF. Actually, IMHO, no Rock & Roll Hall of Fame can be legit without the following being members:

 

Johnny Rivers - plenty of Hits and has albums recorded in 6 decades.

 

The Monkees - music, TV, Pop Icons, etc.

 

 

Off the top of your heads, who else is being overlooked????

Every one has their ideas. The two you mention are rarely mentioned because I suspect: A. The Monkees were a made for TV movie with guys that were just thrown together to perform....and who did very little of their own playing and writing.

B. Johnny Rivers was more known for his covers of songs than for originals.

 

Now, I like both of them very much....but there are, I guess, "musicianship" issues that deter their induction.

 

Plus, the one area that has seem to be short shifted in what I hear a lot are the Progressive Rock Bands, of the 70s/80s. Tull, Yes, Procul Harum, Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, etc.

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Every one has their ideas. The two you mention are rarely mentioned because I suspect: A. The Monkees were a made for TV movie with guys that were just thrown together to perform....and who did very little of their own playing and writing.

B. Johnny Rivers was more known for his covers of songs than for originals.

 

Now, I like both of them very much....but there are, I guess, "musicianship" issues that deter their induction.

 

Plus, the one area that has seem to be short shifted in what I hear a lot are the Progressive Rock Bands, of the 70s/80s. Tull, Yes, Procul Harum, Moody Blues, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson, etc.

Good points.

 

I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In".

 

PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in.

 

Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be.

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Good points.

 

I understand your points about Johnny Rivers (I really don't know what songs he wrote and what songs he 'covered' but - if that were the case only Smoky Robinson would be in the HOF and, virtually, all other Motown artists would be "On The Outside Looking In".

 

PS Dave Clark 5 were also a manufactured group, perhaps like the Monkees. My guess is that Dave Clark 5 is in.

 

Tull's, "Aqua Lung" is one of the best records of all time, IMHO. If not the group or Ian Anderson, that album should be.

Dave Clark 5 is in the HOF

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How is Alan Parsons not in the HOF?

Not only did he have a career in a band, he was an engineer or producer for some of the biggest records of all time

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http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php

 

 

here are some ideas for you.

 

WSS

Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising.

 

Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste.

 

Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List".

 

My surprises (In alphabetical order).

 

  • Bon Jovi
  • Chicago
  • Dick Dale
  • Dire Straits
  • Doobie Brothers
  • Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know)
  • Journey
  • Peter, Paul, and Mary
  • Weird Al
  • Barry White
  • Yes
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Without putting much thought to it, I found the following to be surprising.

 

Of course, this has nothing to do with my personal taste.

 

Also, I am flat-out unfamiliar with some of those on the 'Snub List".

 

My surprises (In alphabetical order).

Some plausible explanations:

 

  • Bon Jovi
  • Chicago RRHOF members don't like their "jazz" orientation
  • Dick Dale
  • Dire Straits
  • Doobie Brothers
  • Guess Who (Damn Canadians, I know)
  • Journey
  • Peter, Paul, and Mary RRHOF think they are just a "folk act".
  • Weird Al "just a novelty act"
  • Barry White
  • Yes

 

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Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest.

 

Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do.

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Green Day were *the* punk band for a (my) generation. Not hardcore punk like the sex pistols, maybe, but they were among the first, that I know of, in the generation of 'pop punk' acts like Offspring, Blink 182, Sum 41 and the rest.

 

Their music won't stack up against maybe other genre-defining groups like the beatles and led zep, but then the genre itself wouldn't stack up. They're just the best at what they do.

I would have fought Elvis Costello was the godfather of pop punk. he just took the genre far from its point of origin.

 

(I remember years ago a couple of people arguing about whether or not Green Day sold out)

 

WSS

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Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer!

 

Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way ;)

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Richard hell is the godfather of punk. His image was what the sex pistols were visually based on and he was the one Malcom McLaren originally approached to lead the pistols. "Blank generation" was all that McLaren wanted the pistols to be and "pretty vacant" was a direct attempt to ape it.

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Costello always seems to me more pop than punk - there's a large difference IMHO between his style and Green Day's, not least because the sound is heavy on synthesizer!

 

Also, I love 'She' but it's not punk in any way ;)

My aim is true and never mind the bollocks both came out in 77 and long long way from she which we celebrated mr. McManus did not write.

 

but by that time he had traveled a long way from the pop punk beginnings.

 

I tend to agree on his Pop influence because his music never embodied the raw ugliness of some punk performers. But we were talking about pop punk so...

 

WSS

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My aim is true and never mind the bollocks both came out in 77 and long long way from she which we celebrated mr. McManus did not write.

 

but by that time he had traveled a long way from the pop punk beginnings.

 

I tend to agree on his Pop influence because his music never embodied the raw ugliness of some punk performers. But we were talking about pop punk so...

 

WSS

While on the subject of Punk, today is Iggy Pop's 68th birthday

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well happy birthday Iggy.

 

I don't get him but that's nothing new.

 

WSS

Me neither. Coincidently (sp) I saw it listed under, "Today's Birthdays" in the newspaper.

 

I never got or enjoyed the entire Punk 'thing' although I did see a few bands that probably qualify:

 

  • Clash (Agora Hartford) Never lived up to the 'Hype', IMHO At least I can say I saw them.
  • Ramones (Agora Hartford) Didn't care for the show. Don't believe they had talent. Head scratcher band to me. The crowd, though, was kind of fun.
  • Sonic Youth (Pearl St, Northampton, MA) See Ramones above
  • X (Agora Hartford) Exene Cervenka made it interesting and memorable. Mediocre show. Still talk about certain aspects of the show, however.

 

 

 

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