Westside Steve Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24682879/report-josh-gordon-thinking-about-suing-league-over-suspension?v=1&vc=1 Hope he does. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 "Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 "Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high." but like any lawsuit it'd buy time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Yeah, just go piss on yourself JG with another upcoming DUI case. And that statement yesterday trying to blame the NFL appeals process for YOUR PROBLEM really started you off right too. Take the advice of Shaun and Shawne, the two all pros on NFL Access: Go find a worthy cause to work for so you can tell the NFL you were doing very constructive community work during your suspension. Do not listen to whomever wrote that apology for you yesterday. They just dug you in deeper with a non-conciliatory remark about the people who now control your destiny. If you continue this any further you will just prove yourself the idiot that most thinking people see already. Oh, and good luck on those up to 10 drug tests per month. You are gonna need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 we're a forgiving society. more for a lackie that comes from a down trodden upbringing that from someone that already has everything and just flaunts his behind just to do it. same age and same (not oil money) family i got away with murder (not murder but..) cuz of who my family was in our community and the pull my father had on the purse strings of every one he had elected. people like josh come from nothing, get a taste of the good life and half the time don't know how to behave. is it the can't teach an old dog new tricks or let the dude flame out on his own cuz we don't give a bleep about him anymore? everyone one deserves a second/third/fourth chance except rapists/pedophiles and murderers. you going to send the ADDs ADHDs and every other so-called mental illness patients to an island? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 The worst case scenario he loses the lawsuit takes to year off comes back to league a shadow of his former self. The, well, better case scenario is an injunction and he plays through the season. Returning to the league one year from today means no preseason and snow training camp which effectively means he will probably be worthless for a few games anyway. As a browns fan I've learned not to put much weight on the best case scenario which is injunction and an other all pro season. But. .. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrb12711 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Just to repeat my sentiment on the whole thing here (and what I've heard from a lot of other Browns fans): If Gordon would have been suspended, appealed and lost in a reasonable time frame I'd still probably be mad but able to let it go. IF he sues on the basis of second hand smoke it's clear the dude is still hanging around the wrong crowd and making bad decisions (DUI factors into this as well, obviously). My issue is the NFL and King Roger Goddell botched this whole thing up badly from start to finish. This whole process has been a detriment not only to Gordon but to the entire Browns organization for this upcoming season. Do I think the Browns would be Super Bowl favorites if other guys had more practice time in place of JG? Of course not. But not handling this like the droves of other drug/alcohol cases that came up set the team back. That's weeks and weeks of practice and preseason games a guy like Johnson may have gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 "Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high." OK, but it not unknown. People keep saying that the NFL is hard to beat in court.....but from my recollection, all kinds of people take the NFL to court and win. Al Davis did it like twice. The USFL won, they just didn't get the money judgment they wanted. They lose the concussion suits. i think at best the NFL may be 50/50 at winning lawsuits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 It was explained this morning that the arbitrator left the door open for immediate reinstatement after completion of the 2014 season including any playoffs. That means he will be able to come back (if he both keeps his nose clean and shows he is both doing something with his time that is constructive and/or therapeutic) BEFORE start of off season meetings, OTA's, preseason games, etc. That it why it imperative that he take a more proactive stance in owning up to his problem and demonstrating he is doing something about it and about his life in general. The more he attacks the process instead of holding on to this secondhand smokescreen, the more likely he is to NOT have that ban lifted just after the season and THE MORE he hurts the Browns. Time for this kid to stop being a selfish asshole and take full responsibility. His legal team is now not helping at all. That is what we call in the therapeutic community ENABLING, as enabling someone to continue with their substance abuse problem. It's the first word he needs to learn if he ever wants to come out on the other end of this a better person. And just for the record I spent my whole career assisting combat veterans in getting through problems just like this. Forcing someone to see the reality of what they do to themselves is not an easy process, but totally necessary. It takes a tough asshole like me to square someone up in the mirror for a really hard, painful look. JG needs to find someone like that who can't be fooled by all the BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted August 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Gipper is there a precedent set in any other similar cases around the league? WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Gipper is there a precedent set in any other similar cases around the league? WSS I am not sure, but I wouldn't doubt if there is. In MLB a guy like Ryan Braun sued and won (that dealt with PEDs)....but then later it was determined that he was using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_brown Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 It was explained this morning that the arbitrator left the door open for immediate reinstatement after completion of the 2014 season including any playoffs. That means he will be able to come back (if he both keeps his nose clean and shows he is both doing something with his time that is constructive and/or therapeutic) BEFORE start of off season meetings, OTA's, preseason games, etc. That it why it imperative that he take a more proactive stance in owning up to his problem and demonstrating he is doing something about it and about his life in general. The more he attacks the process instead of holding on to this secondhand smokescreen, the more likely he is to NOT have that ban lifted just after the season and THE MORE he hurts the Browns. Time for this kid to stop being a selfish asshole and take full responsibility. His legal team is now not helping at all. That is what we call in the therapeutic community ENABLING, as enabling someone to continue with their substance abuse problem. It's the first word he needs to learn if he ever wants to come out on the other end of this a better person. And just for the record I spent my whole career assisting combat veterans in getting through problems just like this. Forcing someone to see the reality of what they do to themselves is not an easy process, but totally necessary. It takes a tough asshole like me to square someone up in the mirror for a really hard, painful look. JG needs to find someone like that who can't be fooled by all the BS. pretty much everyone agrees that gordon has a problem that he needs to address....it's the severity of his penalty, for a victimless infraction,...compared to beating your girlfriend unconscious in an elevator, that has people upset.....it just doesn't make sense.....ask your wife or daughter which she thinks is worse...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 pretty much everyone agrees that gordon has a problem that he needs to address....it's the severity of his penalty, for a victimless infraction,...compared to beating your girlfriend unconscious in an elevator, that has people upset.....it just doesn't make sense.....ask your wife or daughter which she thinks is worse...... I'm too tired to beat it out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypicalBrowns Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Gordon actually wanted to play in the CFL this year but the Browns wont let him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm too tired to beat it out of them. Gordon actually wanted to play in the CFL this year but the Browns wont let him. Now that he is suspended I don't think the Browns would have any control over that would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm too tired to beat it out of them. what do you say to a woman with 2 black eyes? nothing she's been told twice.....ugh. yeah i know. but i agree with your sentiment as others have said above. (btw jim_brown nice post for a change.) he should do everything possible to be the poster boy of changing his ways IF he can't play this year. believe me if the browns have anything to do with guiding gordon though his hiatus they better have mr. beeks watching his ass 24/7 and walking him in a rehab and playing ping pong with him while he's there. then they can take selfies of each other outside of the east cleveland soup kitchens while ducking bullets. BUT if he has legal recourse to maybe get back on the field why not take it? sure the prepared statement that was read by his camp yesterday was a little offensive to me as well but i really doubt that it was written by tyrone his weed man. that would have read along the lines of "yo, goodell. your shit is whack beotch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyceRolls Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 It was explained this morning that the arbitrator left the door open for immediate reinstatement after completion of the 2014 season including any playoffs. That means he will be able to come back (if he both keeps his nose clean and shows he is both doing something with his time that is constructive and/or therapeutic) BEFORE start of off season meetings, OTA's, preseason games, etc. That it why it imperative that he take a more proactive stance in owning up to his problem and demonstrating he is doing something about it and about his life in general. The more he attacks the process instead of holding on to this secondhand smokescreen, the more likely he is to NOT have that ban lifted just after the season and THE MORE he hurts the Browns. Time for this kid to stop being a selfish asshole and take full responsibility. His legal team is now not helping at all. That is what we call in the therapeutic community ENABLING, as enabling someone to continue with their substance abuse problem. It's the first word he needs to learn if he ever wants to come out on the other end of this a better person. And just for the record I spent my whole career assisting combat veterans in getting through problems just like this. Forcing someone to see the reality of what they do to themselves is not an easy process, but totally necessary. It takes a tough asshole like me to square someone up in the mirror for a really hard, painful look. JG needs to find someone like that who can't be fooled by all the BS. I'm glad josh is suing. Based on the info Thaak posted here a while back: Ohio state law requires both samples to be positive to be viewed as a failed drug test. Being that the precedent has already been set for nfl players being held to the laws of their state of employment (in this case Ohio) I believe josh has a pretty good chance of winning if his legal team is worth a damn. Furthermore why is everyone talking about Gordon having a problem as if he's addicted to heroin or is the ring leader of a child pornography syndicate? His problem is he hung out with friends who smoke pot. So he was a witness to a victimless crime, who gives a fuck. I see people breaking the law all the time, guess I should lose my job for a year. The people who don't believe that it was second hand smoke are the worst kind of delusional. Josh Gordon, according to state law, passed a drug test with a threshold over three times lower than the U.S. Military, and is supposed to be viewed as some great offender. He could've tripled the THC in his system and still been eligible to sacrifice his life on foreign soil for the bank ledger of the military industrial complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 "Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high." It was explained this morning that the arbitrator left the door open... Just who is the "arbiter" in this case? Edit: Turns out to be a fellow named Harold Henderson, who has been an NFL employee in one capacity or another for some time. Digging a little deeper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 From: http://www.digital-equality.org/leadership_details.php?sid=564 Harold R. Henderson served as NFL Executive Vice President for Labor Relations and Chairman of the NFL Management Council Executive Committee for sixteen years. In that capacity, he had responsibility for all aspects of the League's player and labor relations, with a legal and professional staff of 44 reporting to him. Recently Mr. Henderson, now Executive Vice President for Player Development; has focused on Player Development programs, drug, alcohol, steroid and conduct policies; and benefits for current and former players. Sounds at least as impartial as the Dr. who stonewalled the concussion issue for a couple decades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 28, 2014 Report Share Posted August 28, 2014 Sounds at least as impartial as the Dr. who stonewalled the concussion issue for a couple decades... Which it appears Mr. Henderson had a role in... "We recognize that there are a number of players, and a growing number of players, recognized to be struggling," Harold Henderson, the Executive Vice President of the NFL said. From an 2007 article concerning the struggle of John Mackey... http://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-mackey-from-the-nfl-to-dementia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jcam222 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 "Any lawsuit would face an immediate and aggressive challenge from the NFL under the Federal Arbitration Act, which requires courts to respect the outcome of private litigation. Only in rare circumstances can a court throw out the results of a private arbitration procedure, and the standard for scuttling the outcome is high." I find it hard to believe the court has to respect the private litigation IF it is in direct conflict ith the labor laws in the governing state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 As I understand it....those labor laws protect state employees. But I've seen conflicting information either way. To sue would only exacerbate this problem. Sit the year, clean the shit up, and come back when the Lil guy is ready to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcam222 Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 As I understand it....those labor laws protect state employees. But I've seen conflicting information either way. To sue would only exacerbate this problem. Sit the year, clean the shit up, and come back when the Lil guy is ready to play. If he were to sue and get a court to agree the test and / or results were against fair labor practice in the state of Ohio he may have a chance to permanently negate the suspension. I don't say its likely but it would be worth a shot on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted August 29, 2014 Report Share Posted August 29, 2014 And now Aldon Smith gets to use and be at the team facility during his 9-game suspension... including attending team meetings... http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2014/08/29/aldon-smith-san-francisco-nfl/14793107/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 pretty much everyone agrees that gordon has a problem that he needs to address....it's the severity of his penalty, for a victimless infraction,...compared to beating your girlfriend unconscious in an elevator, that has people upset.....it just doesn't make sense.....ask your wife or daughter which she thinks is worse...... Heard some of Joe Thomas' post game take on the situation- why it probably took so long (reading between the lines). Joe is seriously pissed on the inequity. Goodell comes out and admits the NFL f**ked up on Ray Rice, but they can't admit they're behind the times on recreational drugs? My 0.02 on the behind the scenes take is- the NFLPA tried to revisit the drug testing policy on THC (and they can do that under the CBA) but in return, the NFL wanted to reopen the whole CBA, and the players declined, because it opened up far to many cans of worms in the middle of the contract. Mainly- the League wants to test for HGH. I'm too tired to beat it out of them. Gordon actually wanted to play in the CFL this year but the Browns wont let him. Now that he is suspended I don't think the Browns would have any control over that would they? Regarding Josh- they sure do have control. They own his rights, and for him to play in the CFL this year, they'd have to flat-out cut him (per CFL rules) No guarantee Josh would re-sign with the Browns in 2015. He'd be the most coveted FA by far, assuming he keeps on passing drug tests. Josh comes back clean, the Browns will pay him around $500k, instead of $5 million +. Seriously- if you were Farmer- would you trust Josh enough to say- "OK we're gonna release you, now be all nine-nice and come back to Cleveland next year?" I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 ALDON SMITH WAS A SLAP ON THE WRIST COMPARED TO GORDON. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE IRSAY PUNISHEMNT. SHOULD BE A LAUGH AND A HALF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 ALDON SMITH WAS A SLAP ON THE WRIST COMPARED TO GORDON. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE IRSAY PUNISHEMNT. SHOULD BE A LAUGH AND A HALF. Irsay? Give him a year, and a $1\2 million fine. Oh, it's a "first offense". Counseling and advance to stage two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoeticG Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 Shouldn't 120 drug tests a year be considered cruel and unusual punishment. Let the guy pay a fine and play football, it's not performance enhancing and it's not like he's not trying to do the right thing. Everybody is calling Josh Gordon a drug addict and a low-life around these parts, it's bullshit. He should sue for defamation of character. He's a young and very talented kid being strung through the wringer right now and it makes me sick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted August 30, 2014 Report Share Posted August 30, 2014 OK...now Gordon should sue. Aldon smith gets 9 games. This a just ever so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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