gumby73 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 As it is, a patient with Garrett's diagnosis can expect to be about 80% in about four to six weeks, and fully recovered within three months, depending on the severity of the partial or complete tear of the soft tissue in the foot, according an independent foot and ankle surgeon who has not examined Garrett. Garrett is currently in a walking boot and will receive treatment on the ankle over the next six weeks. He'll have to rest it for awhile, but will gradually work his way back into shape for camp, which is set to begin on July 27th. Garrett will likely be eased back into action in camp, and not full-go right away. "Holy Smokes!'' Thanks D, Whew,Rare the Browns catch a brake at anytime, Yes i mean brake . Pre-season..8-10 saints..8-21 NYG(mnf)..8-26@TB..8- 31@CHI...opener is 9-10.(maybe NYG or TB?,doubt he plays at bears) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Did he get staph from the surgery for the injury? If so, why wouldn't the injury be considered the beginning of the end? The body can't be a host without the knife... The knife isn't needed without the injury so I see the injury as pertinent here. The environment after the surgery. Which, I might add, was rather routine. So...yeah. staph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 The environment after the surgery. Which, I might add, was rather routine. So...yeah. staph. While you made a very good point T - does he get the staph infection if he never has the surgery for the knee injury? No. According to an article I read by Rick Stroud & Greg Auman titled "Ex-Browns tell of staph infection anguish", Bentley contracted MRSA at the Browns training facility while recovering from surgery. The wound/incision became the opportunity for the infection to enter the host (Bentley) and it was game over, career over with a threat life could be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 All I want to know Mud is did you tell the surgeon going in.............................? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 All I want to know Mud is did you tell the surgeon going in.............................? HA!...one of my alllllllllllllllll time favorites.....right there......^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/06/myles_garrett_foot.html Browns' Myles Garrett has lateral foot sprain, expected to be ready for training camp CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns caught a break Saturday regarding No. 1 overall pick Myles Garrett's injured left foot. Two doctors diagnosed him with a lateral foot sprain and he's expected to be ready for training camp in late July, the Browns announced Saturday. Garrett was first diagnosed by Browns head team physician Dr. James Voos of University Hospitals, and then as part of the team's process, by specialist Dr. Robert Anderson of OrthoCarolina, who did not examine him in person but reviewed the exams. It's good news for the Browns, who hoped that Garrett didn't sustain any major structural damage such as a fracture or Lisfranc injury after he went down in minicamp on Wednesday afternoon. A Lisfranc injury would've required surgery and up to a year-long recovery. As it is, a patient with Garrett's diagnosis can expect to be about 80% in about four to six weeks, and fully recovered within three months, depending on the severity of the partial or complete tear of the soft tissue in the foot, according an independent foot and ankle surgeon who has not examined Garrett. Garrett is currently in a walking boot and will receive treatment on the ankle over the next six weeks. He'll have to rest it for awhile, but will gradually work his way back into shape for camp, which is set to begin on July 27th. Garrett will likely be eased back into action in camp, and not full-go right away. The injury is a new sprain and not related to any previous injury. Garrett had been limited in organized team activities with what a source told cleveland.com was a sore foot that was also briefly immobilized in a boot. He also suffered a left high ankle sprain last season at Texas A&M that hampered him all season and limited him to 8 1/2 sacks. The No. 1 overall pick in the draft, Garrett injured it on the second day of minicamp and was photographed in the boot at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport on Friday morning as he was leaving town for the summer break. It happened on a would-be sack of Brock Osweiler in a two-minute drill late in the non-contact practice when he stormed in off the edge. He immediately fell to his knees in pain, and clutched his left foot. He hobbled off the field and was examined on the sidelines, and later limped into the fieldhouse after the lightning sirens went off. Garrett was absent from the practice field on the last day of minicamp Thursday while he underwent further evaluation on the foot, and was also excused Friday morning from attending a youth clinic at FirstEnergy Stadium with his fellow rookies. The injury caused immediate concern because of Garrett's injury history with his left lower leg. Garrett had admitted that he was frustrated sitting out some of OTAs because he "wanted to be out there grinding'' with his teammates. Garrett suffered the injury after a minicamp sack of Brock Osweiler, but received treatment on the sidelines and didn't leave the field. Garrett's good friend and fellow rookie Larry Ogunjobi said Friday morning at the youth clinic that he was helping Garrett keep his spirits up. "It sucks, especially when he's one of your good friends,'' Ogunjobi said of seeing Garrett falls to his knees and grab his foot. "I've known Myles for just a short period of time, but we've connected and you know how good of a person he is because he's humble and he's hungry and really wants to be great. So you know it sucks, but it's part of the game. It's part of the process and you know he's going to bounce back.'' He said Garrett is handling it well. "You know, same mentality, one day at a time,'' Ogunjobi said. "That's the nature of the game. That's just what it is. You kind of have to keep him in high spirits, you keep him going and you know he's good. He's still smiling, he's still feeling good. It's just part of life. You can't really be up and down. You've got to be even keel and just take it one day at a time.'' First-round tight end David Njoku agreed that Garrett has had a a great attitude. "Myles is always a happy camper,'' he said. "So he's just fine." Defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has been impressed with Garrett in the limited reps he's had since rookie minicamp last month. "He's done a great job,'' said Williams. "It's still way early, but you guys are going to see a pretty good football player when he gets a chance to get out there and go. I've got a big smile on my face, I'm just waiting to let him show everybody before I talk about him.'' Defensive line coach Clyde Simmons is also eager for his return. "He's everything we (expected,)'' Simmons said. "Coach Jackson will handle all of the injury stuff. Myles is everything we expected." Garrett signed his fully guaranteed four-year deal worth $30.4 million on May 19th. It included a $20.258 million signing bonus and a club option for a fifth year. The Browns drafted Garrett No. 1 overall after his stellar career at Texas A&M, where he had 32 1/2 sacks in three seasons, which were tops in the country from 2014-16. He was also a two-time Lombardi Award finalist for the nation's best linebacker. Garrett had flashed some of that first-round explosiveness in spring practices. "(You see) a guy who's just ready to play,'' Ogunjobi said. "We work together when we do our position drills and stuff like that. You just see a guy who knows what he wants to do and how he wants to do it. He's a guy you can learn a lot from.'' Now, the Browns are hoping he'll pick up right where he left off, when he elicited a "Holy Smokes!'' from Jackson for his explosiveness off the edge. I won't be convinced he's ok til I see him get through camp without a limp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 I won't be convinced he's ok til I see him get through camp without a limp. Id be curious what you would say if Trubs went down with a sprained ankle?.....just one of those things?.....or bad pick? Myles ankle injury cannot be an "I told you so moment", unless of course you predicted it......and, if memory serves me, you are the one who was just saying he had a broken foot or needed surgery....correct?.... Its a sprain guys......and NOT a high sprain, which is what he suffered in college.....AND STILL played well enough to be the consensus #1 pick......which, to me, just shows he's tough and driven....cause he played through it(at a high level)......while most would be sitting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Anybody remember the last first-round superstar that was injured all through training camp? Po G? WSS Clowney I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDawg31 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Id be curious what you would say if Trubs went down with a sprained ankle?.....just one of those things?.....or bad pick? Myles ankle injury cannot be an "I told you so moment", unless of course you predicted it......and, if memory serves me, you are the one who was just saying he had a broken foot or needed surgery....correct?.... Its a sprain guys......and NOT a high sprain, which is what he suffered in college.....AND STILL played well enough to be the consensus #1 pick......which, to me, just shows he's tough and driven....cause he played through it(at a high level)......while most would be sitting..... Kinda like your tooth pick story Mud, I had a fractured navicular bone that took 4 yrs to correctly diagnose. I would wake up in the morning feeling fine, but by the end of the day I could not walk without a severe limp. The reason it took 4yrs was because of it being misdiagnosed. I finally went to the doctor that fixed Z's foot at the Cle Clinic and in one day had the correct diagnosis. Surgery, 2 months in a hard cast then a walking boot. Hence the reason why i won't believe it til I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudfly Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Anybody remember the last first-round superstar that was injured all through training camp? Po G? WSS Corey Coleman? Kinda like your tooth pick story Mud, I had a fractured navicular bone that took 4 yrs to correctly diagnose. I would wake up in the morning feeling fine, but by the end of the day I could not walk without a severe limp. The reason it took 4yrs was because of it being misdiagnosed. I finally went to the doctor that fixed Z's foot at the Cle Clinic and in one day had the correct diagnosis. Surgery, 2 months in a hard cast then a walking boot. Hence the reason why i won't believe it til I see it. Well....I hope your wrong..... Since Myles has an "ankle" injury, Ill hold out hope that it doesnt become a broken foot..... Whoops....edit.....I see it is a foot sprain.....my bad..... But.....then.....that kind of nixes the ole "repeat" injury thing that Ghoolies been blathering about..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 was rather routine. In your football time, Have you ran across a guy with Myles foot injury? My real concern would be, with most players after OTA's, they continue on working & molding their bodies staying with football conditioning & their endurance? I'd hope Myles would be running like 10 days before camp? Showing up to camp at even 85% sounds iffy to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 In your football time, Have you ran across a guy with Myles foot injury? Yes. I've seen that type of injury in non contact sports as well, namely soccer and cross country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumby73 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Yes. I've seen that type of injury in non contact sports as well, namely soccer and cross country. Great? I'll PM Pele & Caitlin Jenner. I'll re-phase the question. How does he maintain his football preparation for camp with a boot on? boot maybe off in 2 weeks running in 3? longer? your non-doctor guess would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 It was like a bad dream.....funny part is that, now, whenever someone spots a toothpick on the ground....we form a 10 ft radius and handle that killer immediately.....infections AND toothpicks are no jokes in this house.....ha! Glad you're still with us Mud. Those antibiotic resistant bugs can be killers. But regarding that toothpick- another story. Needed a new set of tires and walked into the local tire store. There's a jar of junk on the counter that the guys in back had pulled out of flats- usual stuff- nails, screws, metal shavings- and a toothpick. Asked the counter guy- you're kidding about the toothpick, right? Nope, ruined the tire too- it went through the sidewall, non-repairable flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 and the occasional gerbil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Post Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 and the occasional gerbil. Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiamat63 Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Great? I'll PM Pele & Caitlin Jenner. I'll re-phase the question. How does he maintain his football preparation for camp with a boot on? boot maybe off in 2 weeks running in 3? longer? your non-doctor guess would be? Usually 2-3 immobile and hitting up the anti inflammatories. Then depending on pain work to slowly stretch and strengthen ligaments. NFL teams have elite facilities for rehabbing injuries so I'm sure while Myles is walking and jogging he'll have a protective shoe. I'm positive they've scanned his feet to determine if he needs custom inserts for his soles. You'd be surprised how far they go towards relieving pain in the foot and ultimately through the knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medicineman Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 A few months back I said something along the lines of him getting hurt and the ONLY person who didn't say I was dumb for thinking that was the guy you all hate. I was not trying to jinx or wanting Myles or anybody ever to get hurt I was only saying "what if" Seems to me every time we have a "big draft pick" they either get hurt or just suck. The way i see ii since we had so much cap space we should of went all in in free agency, get some teammates that have chemistry then worry about draft. I want some wins soon and not want to draft players that will take 3 years to get their shit straight just in time to leave the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAg1969 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Id be curious what you would say if Trubs went down with a sprained ankle?.....just one of those things?.....or bad pick? Myles ankle injury cannot be an "I told you so moment", unless of course you predicted it......and, if memory serves me, you are the one who was just saying he had a broken foot or needed surgery....correct?.... Its a sprain guys......and NOT a high sprain, which is what he suffered in college.....AND STILL played well enough to be the consensus #1 pick......which, to me, just shows he's tough and driven....cause he played through it(at a high level)......while most would be sitting..... I think you are severely underplaying this Mud. It is obvious he had a pre-existing condition (vaginitis) that has turned into cervical cancer and will cause him to collect his guaranteed 30+Mil$ without ever playing one regular season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 A few months back I said something along the lines of him getting hurt and the ONLY person who didn't say I was dumb for thinking that was the guy you all hate. I was not trying to jinx or wanting Myles or anybody ever to get hurt I was only saying... Well, now that he's hurt, Heal Him Up! Or are you not a real medicine man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 All joking aside, I am concerned that this injury will be a pretty large setback. I'm concerned he will come into camp in 'less than ideal football shape' after resting his foot the many weeks leading up to camp. Then he'll miss reps - and maybe even a preseason game or two, while needing to be eased into a full workload, and so on ...... None of that is good for a 1-15 team that desperately needs their #1 overall pick to contend for rookie of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 You have to take your blinders off, check your homo-homie, rah-rah-rah bullshit at the door and let facts, common sense and reality guide your thinking with regards to the Browns latest draft fiasco Myles Garrett. People, there is not rookie of the year award waiting for this kid, only a boot for his fragile left foot. He missed games in college because of his left foot He couldn't practice because he injured his left foot. He is an outside rusher, and nothing more...the elite NFL tackles will neutralize him, even if he ever does get to 100% (which is days gone bye) Alabama's LT shit Garrett down like he was a bitch. Twice injured on the same foot. THe NFL DCs will devise schemes to let him fly full speed and then block him low before he gets to the QB. Make no mistake, he's gonna get fucked up, early in the year. But but but............. here we go again............ Flugel guaranteed us that Winslow's microfracture surgery would return him to 100% and the HOF. Likewise, I was called nuts for saying RG3 would not last 3 games. Garrett is a crippled man walking. Bad pick. Another waste of a #1 #1 I'm not the one that makes all the guarantees. Never said any such thing about Winslow's injury or HOF - pure 100% bullshit from you again. You guaranteed Paxton Lynch was the best QB in last year's draft and he got beat out by a 2nd year 7th round QB from Northwestern. You guaranteed Mo Clarett was the next Jim Brown and he never gained a single yard. You guaranteed Joe Thomas would suck while I count 10 Pro Bowls in 10 seasons. You guaranteed Sumo Wrestlers would be starting on offensive lines while we still waiting on that. To this day, you're the only one that has ever had to beg Atenears to ask Zombo to let him post. And all you do with it is recycle your same trash daily in here. It's no wonder your #1 fan is Stink... Makes perfect sense. He doesn't root for the Browns either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 As it stands right now, it appears as if Garrett and the Browns received a tremendous present before training camp. Foot injuries can often take months to heal, and similar to the hand, feet have multiple little bones that can easily break when giant men are running around next to other giant men. The biggest difference between the hands and feet are that feet obviously carry the immense bulk of these players, and structural issues to longer to heal because you have to keep weight off of the injury in some cases. The biggest problem with something like this is that it can linger. If it's a soft tissue injury, which is sounds like it is, it can take forever to completely heal. Garrett will be pressing to get back into the mix, and the likelihood of the injury being 100% healed is doubtful due to the rigors of camp. However, Garrett is young, and young people tend to recover quickly. It's not a break, and it doesn't require surgery, so I think we should be happy. It'd be a tremendous blow to our team and our team's mental makeup if Garrett suffered a serious injury. Another problem this injury causes is Garrett will likely be out of shape for the start of training camp, and I read reports that he was winded before getting hurt. He'll have to work hard to get his wind back and his stamina to a place our coaches are happy with. However, this is all stuff that he can work on once he feels better, and the fact that he doesn't need surgery makes me so happy. I was literally waiting for the "Lisfranc injury update" to pop onto my phone. He's going to be alright guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 As it stands right now, it appears as if Garrett and the Browns received a tremendous present before training camp. Foot injuries can often take months to heal, and similar to the hand, feet have multiple little bones that can easily break when giant men are running around next to other giant men. The biggest difference between the hands and feet are that feet obviously carry the immense bulk of these players, and structural issues to longer to heal because you have to keep weight off of the injury in some cases. The biggest problem with something like this is that it can linger. If it's a soft tissue injury, which is sounds like it is, it can take forever to completely heal. Garrett will be pressing to get back into the mix, and the likelihood of the injury being 100% healed is doubtful due to the rigors of camp. However, Garrett is young, and young people tend to recover quickly. It's not a break, and it doesn't require surgery, so I think we should be happy. It'd be a tremendous blow to our team and our team's mental makeup if Garrett suffered a serious injury. Another problem this injury causes is Garrett will likely be out of shape for the start of training camp, and I read reports that he was winded before getting hurt. He'll have to work hard to get his wind back and his stamina to a place our coaches are happy with. However, this is all stuff that he can work on once he feels better, and the fact that he doesn't need surgery makes me so happy. I was literally waiting for the "Lisfranc injury update" to pop onto my phone. He's going to be alright guys. My medical curiosity was piqued, and I did some research on exactly what a "lateral foot sprain" is. Couldn't find anything for a foot injury with that specific name. Plenty of mid-foot injury literature though. I'll assume that's what he has. This image is the closest I could come to- it's the ligament on the outside of your foot. Since they put him in a boot, it's probably a Grade 2 tear, with some ligament damage. A Grade 3 would have meant surgery. Since he wasn't on crutches- he was allowed some weight bearing on that foot- which is a good sign. 4-6 weeks sounds about right. But he will be set back when camp starts, because I doubt he's going to be able to do much running beforehand, and certainly not any explosive speed work pushing off on that foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Good grief. Dude.......................the facts re thet the kid has had two left foot injuries and he is out of shape. This pretty much tells you we have troubled times ahead with this guy. Tom, remains to be seen if he's "injury prone". I'll let you stick that tag on him with one more that keeps him out of "real" games come September. OK, it's the same leg- I had to check that out. FWIW, those two injuries are unrelated. The high ankle sprain he had at A&M is nowhere near that lateral ligament in his foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Steve Posted June 19, 2017 Report Share Posted June 19, 2017 Well all the speculation in the world means nothing. I think this is certainly something worth worrying about But if hes 100% by training camp we can all eat our concerns. If not this is a potentially devastating blow to the organization. At the very least someone high above our pay grade didn't do his homework. WSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Good grief. Dude.......................the facts re thet the kid has had two left foot injuries and he is out of shape. This pretty much tells you we have troubled times ahead with this guy. Outta shape...oh good good you are gold! You look like pear dude...how long's it been since you've seen your dick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggins7919 Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 My medical curiosity was piqued, and I did some research on exactly what a "lateral foot sprain" is. Couldn't find anything for a foot injury with that specific name. Plenty of mid-foot injury literature though. I'll assume that's what he has. This image is the closest I could come to- it's the ligament on the outside of your foot. Since they put him in a boot, it's probably a Grade 2 tear, with some ligament damage. A Grade 3 would have meant surgery. Since he wasn't on crutches- he was allowed some weight bearing on that foot- which is a good sign. 4-6 weeks sounds about right. But he will be set back when camp starts, because I doubt he's going to be able to do much running beforehand, and certainly not any explosive speed work pushing off on that foot. That's good stuff, Hoorta. I'd say you're pretty spot on with it being a grade 2, and there's also the possibility it's less than that. Keep in mind this is a very young man in the peak of physical fitness, so I don't anticipate it being a lengthy recovery time. Don't be shocked to read "Garrett running full speed" in just a couple of weeks. It sounds like he stepped on somebody's foot, and those things happens. The great news is there isn't a break, and he's likely to be back for training camp. We've all heard time and time again how important training camp is for rookies, so even if he's a partial attendant at the beginning, he'll be getting the information he needs. I really don't think this is a big deal, and I'll proceed as such until proven otherwise. Like we've said, the biggest issue with Garrett's injury will be his lack of cardiovascular training, but again, this guy is young and that's going to come back very quickly (assuming he STAYS healthy). In my twisted mind, he'll be running full speed in a month, tops. Four weeks of rest and therapy on a young man in that kind of shape is a very long time. Heck, even if he takes the entire 6 weeks to recover, it's no big deal. At this time, I can't help but think this is great news. Obviously NOT that he sustained an injury, but the fact that he didn't require surgery. Can you just IMAGINE what would happen if we lost our #1 pick for the season in June? The snowball effect on our team would be devastating. Realizing that, I am officially stoked and can breathe a great sigh of relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bone Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 You look like pear dude...how long's it been since you've seen your dick? The only way he's seen it in decades (complete with magnifying mirror) ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieHardBrownsFan Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 Outta shape...oh good good you are gold! You look like pear dude...how long's it been since you've seen your dick? Probably last time it was in your mouth you fucking faggot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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