Flugel Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Bradshaw was the best QB in the modern era of pro football. What a bunch of bitter, blind, ignorant cock-suckers Browns fans are. Far-far better than Otto when tit really mattered. Greatest QB of all time? Yer goddamned right. Does this really sound like a guy who wants to fight Steeler fans? Or, a guy that wants to do bedroom gymnastics with Steelheads? Otto Graham won 7 Pro Football Championships during his 10 year career (when he led the Browns to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship Games). In terms of winning, is there a better 10 year period by any QB in the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choco Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Come on flugs...you KNOW stool fans argument about that...the great caveat... ....modern..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoolie Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Does this really sound like a guy who wants to fight Steeler fans? Or, a guy that wants to do bedroom gymnastics with Steelheads? Otto Graham won 7 Pro Football Championships during his 10 year career (when he led the Browns to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship Games). In terms of winning, is there a better 10 year period by any QB in the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Otto played with midgets. He played in leather helmets against part time gas station attendants. His championships were in minor league play. If you put him in a suit in 1976 he would have shit his pants and stayed in the locker room. Bradshaw was far better than Otto, who by the way, was a homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Come on flugs...you KNOW stool fans argument about that...the great caveat... ....modern..... True. I keep forgetting how recent 1970-1983 is to Steelheads. It's only about 34-47 years ago. Despite all that talent around him in 14 years and all the credit he gets for it winning, he only made 3 Pro Bowls in 75, 78, 79. That's decent but there's only 1 knucklehead in here announcing it's way better than Otto Graham. What fan in here would adore his 6 TD passes to 24 INTs (30.4 passer rating) enough to ask everybody to be patient with the rookie? Who do we suppose would be the most vocal critic of that in here? And wouldn't the same critics want the head coach fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 Otto played with midgets. He played in leather helmets against part time gas station attendants. His championships were in minor league play. If you put him in a suit in 1976 he would have shit his pants and stayed in the locker room. Bradshaw was far better than Otto, who by the way, was a homosexual. That is a stupid and ignorant statement. The game in the 50s and in the 70s is almost exactly the same. Players in the 70s wore almost exactly the same type of gear as in the 50s. Technological advancements in gear did not really start to begin until the mid 80s. The players of the 70s and 50s were roughly the same size and build (and we are talking specifically about OL and DL). Again, it was not until mid 80s that the trench players got bigger. And FYI, skill players from the 50s to now are not really any bigger. Players in the 70s also had to work offseason jobs. The 50s to the 70s were almost not at all different as far as football goes.....However, there are vast, vast differences in the game from the 70s to now. Rule changes to enhance scoring. Nutrition, workout regimens, etc. etc. etc. Anyone that has been alive and awake from then til now would know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickers Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 That is a stupid and ignorant statement. The game in the 50s and in the 70s is almost exactly the same. Players in the 70s wore almost exactly the same type of gear as in the 50s. Technological advancements in gear did not really start to begin until the mid 80s. The players of the 70s and 50s were roughly the same size and build (and we are talking specifically about OL and DL). Again, it was not until mid 80s that the trench players got bigger. And FYI, skill players from the 50s to now are not really any bigger. Players in the 70s also had to work offseason jobs. The 50s to the 70s were almost not at all different as far as football goes.....However, there are vast, vast differences in the game from the 70s to now. Rule changes to enhance scoring. Nutrition, workout regimens, etc. etc. etc. Anyone that has been alive and awake from then til now would know this. Not only that.. But Otto Graham was a running back in college.. Which I think makes it more amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flugel Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 Not only that.. But Otto Graham was a running back in college.. Which I think makes it more amazing... Nickers, I've heard others thinking Otto played RB in college - but he only played QB (although he returned punts early on as well). Here's a good write-up about his college career at Northwestern from Wikipedia: Early life and college career Born in Waukegan, Illinois, Graham's first interest growing up was music.[2] Encouraged by his parents, both of whom were music teachers, he took up several instruments: the piano, violin, cornet and French horn.[3][4] Graham also excelled in athletics, and attended Northwestern University on a basketball scholarship in 1940.[5] There he played on the varsity basketball team as a freshman and continued to study music.[6][7] Graham did not take up football until his sophomore year, when Northwestern coach Pappy Waldorf saw him throwing in an intramural game and invited him to practice with the team.[5][6] Northwestern's coaches were impressed with his running and passing, and Waldorf convinced him to sign up.[5][6] Although football became Graham's primary sport, he also played baseball and continued on the basketball team. As a senior, he was named a first-team basketball All-American, part of a squad selected by news outlets comprising the best players at each position.[3] Graham's first game for the Northwestern Wildcats football team was on October 4, 1941, when he caught a Kansas State punt and returned it 90 yards for a touchdown. He ran and passed for two more touchdowns in the 51–3 victory.[6][8] After scoring another pair of touchdowns in a win against Wisconsin, Graham passed to his wide receivers for two touchdowns in a victory over the Ohio State, coached by Paul Brown, the team's only loss of the 1941 season.[6][9] Northwestern ended the year with an 11th-place showing in the AP Poll of the best college teams in the country.[6][10] As America's involvement in World War II intensified after the December 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, Graham signed up for service alongside many fellow student-athletes, entering the U.S. Navy Air Corps.[5][6] He was able to stay at Northwestern as he waited to be called for active duty. The Wildcats struggled in 1942 as their players joined the war effort, winning only one game.[6][11] Graham still had 89 completions, setting a single-season passing record in the Big Ten Conference, a division of major college teams from the Midwestern United States.[6][12] The following year Graham and some of his teammates enlisted in the military but continued to play for Northwestern.[6][13] Enlistees from other schools also enrolled at Northwestern, where the U.S. Navy had a training station.[6][14] The 1943 season was a strong one for Northwestern. The team beat Ohio State, the defending national champions, and a good military team at Great Lakes Naval Station.[15][16] The Wildcats lost to Notre Dame and Michigan, however, and finished the season with an 8–2 record and a ninth-place ranking in the AP Poll.[15][16][17] Graham set another Big Ten passing record, was named the conference's Most Valuable Player, received All-American honors and finished third in Heisman Trophy voting.[15][18][19][20] By the end of his college career, he held a Big Ten Conference record for passing yards with 2,132.[3][17] Graham's career at Northwestern officially ended in February 1944, when he moved to Colgate University in Hamilton, New York, in the Navy's V-5 cadet program, a pilot training course.[21][22] He played basketball for Colgate before moving to North Carolina Pre-Flight later in 1944, where he played on the Cloudbusters football team under coaches Glenn Killinger and Bear Bryant.[17][23] Impressed by Graham's performances in Northwestern's wins over the Ohio State in 1941 and 1943, Paul Brown came and offered him a contract worth $7,500 per year ($99,774 in 2016 dollars) in 1945 to play for a professional team he was coaching in Cleveland in the new All-America Football Conference (AAFC).[13] Graham would not receive his salary until he started playing, however, and Brown added a monthly stipend of $250 ($3,326 in 2016) until the end of the war.[13] It was a large amount of money at the time. "All I asked was, where do I sign?" Graham said later. "Some of the other navy men said I was rooting for the war to last forever."[13] Graham was also drafted by the National Football League's Detroit Lions, but he did not sign a contract or play a game with the team as the war wore on.[24] Large numbers of athletes came home as the conflict wound down in Europe following Germany's surrender in mid-1945. The AAFC's first season was not set to start until the fall of 1946, and Graham occupied the intervening months by joining the Rochester Royals of the National Basketball League (NBL), a forerunner of the National Basketball Association.[25] In March 1946, the Royals swept a best-of-five series against the Sheboygan Redskins to win the NBL title.[26] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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