WalterWhite Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 2011: 6th pick in the draft and we trade down to get Phil Taylor. The guy has done NOTHING since we have gotten here. Could of had: Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, Robert Quinn, 2012: 3rd pick and 22nd pick in the draft and you trade up for Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Both are gone because they were so bad. Could of had: Luke Keuchly, Matt Khalil, Alshon Jeffrey. I remember wanting Vontaze Burfict in the 2nd and 3rd round and people told me hell no because he was an off field cancer 2013: 6th overall pick and you select a situational pass rusher in Barkevious Mingo. He has been so disappointing. That year I wanted Jarvis Jones, Tavon Austin, or Tyler Eifert and now it looks like Patterson, Reid, and Sheldon Richardson are the good ones from that draft class. Once again, another blown pick. 2014: 4th overall pick and 26th overall pick and we use them to trade down for a CB who was taken off measurables and combine info. Justin Gilbert is by far the one of the worst rookies in the NFL right now for how he was hyped to be a day 1 starter and best CB in the draft. We could of had Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Mathews, Ryan Shazier, Aaron Donald, Kyle Fuller, or CJ Mosley. The Manziel pick I will reserve judgement on because he hasn't seen the field and many people are upset that we should have taken a receiver and I understand their argument. So in conclusion, we have had 6 first picks since 2011 and 2 of them are gone, 1 is a back up, and the other 3 are mediocre or terrible. We have had 6 first round picks and not a single ONE is a quality starter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 2011: 6th pick in the draft and we trade down to get Phil Taylor. The guy has done NOTHING since we have gotten here. Could of had: Julio Jones, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, Robert Quinn, I don't think Phil Taylor is that bad. He is about as good at what he does as Jones is at what he does. Jones, to me, is overrated. 2012: 3rd pick and 22nd pick in the draft and you trade up for Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden. Both are gone because they were so bad. Could of had: Luke Keuchly, Matt Khalil, Alshon Jeffrey. I remember wanting Vontaze Burfict in the 2nd and 3rd round and people told me hell no because he was an off field cancer OK, there can be no defense of the TR/BW3 picks. 2013: 6th overall pick and you select a situational pass rusher in Barkevious Mingo. He has been so disappointing. That year I wanted Jarvis Jones, Tavon Austin, or Tyler Eifert and now it looks like Patterson, Reid, and Sheldon Richardson are the good ones from that draft class. Once again, another blown pick. Yes, Mingo is disappointing...but unlike TR/BW3, I am not ready to write him off. As someone noted, he has only played about one full season...and those kind of guys often take some time to develop. 2014: 4th overall pick and 26th overall pick and we use them to trade down for a CB who was taken off measurables and combine info. Justin Gilbert is by far the one of the worst rookies in the NFL right now for how he was hyped to be a day 1 starter and best CB in the draft. We could of had Sammy Watkins, Kahlil Mack, Jake Mathews, Ryan Shazier, Aaron Donald, Kyle Fuller, or CJ Mosley. The Manziel pick I will reserve judgement on because he hasn't seen the field and many people are upset that we should have taken a receiver and I understand their argument. I think after 3 games we have to reserve judgment on ALL these players. Three games is no basis to evaluate a person on. Give me three years, not 3 games. So in conclusion, we have had 6 first picks since 2011 and 2 of them are gone, 1 is a back up, and the other 3 are mediocre or terrible. We have had 6 first round picks and not a single ONE is a quality starter... What you really needed to do is to go back further......the corps of any good football teams are those players that are in years 4-8. Go back to the picks of Haden and Mack and Thomas and those 1st round picks are not that bad. Clearly questionable are the Quinn and Wimbley picks. And why stop at the first round.....quit blowing the 2d/3rd round picks as well. Here they are: 2013: Leon McFadden 2012: Schwartz/Hughes 2011: Sheard/Little 2010: Ward/Hardesty/McCoy/Lauvao 2009: Robo, MoMass, Veikune 2007: Eric Wright 2006: Jackson/Travis Wilson These guys from like 2006 -2010 should be the veteran leaders on this team......there is no one here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Every year the Browns blow it in the draft. I'm sick of it! A losing team trades away a pick every year!! And every team in the NFL knows it. Since 2011 our team could look like this: Julio Jones, Luke Kuechly, Jarvis Jones, Sammy Watkins or Mike Evans, Ryan Shazier or Kyle Fuller. With all these early first round picks since 1999 we should have at least been in the playoffs. We finally get rid of Holmgren who was just collecting a paycheck and we hire Ray Farmer who proved to be a stubborn fool. How many years have to go by before they finally have a good Draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosar_For_President Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think the title of this post could of been better thought out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns passed on AJ Hawk, Deangelo Williams, Vernon Davis 2007 Joe Thomas Browns passed on Darelle Revis, adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Patrick Willis 2008 No pick 2009 Alex Mack Browns passed on Clay Mathews, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin 2010 Joe Haden Browns passed on Earl Thomas, Maurice Pouncey, Demaryious Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Sorry Gipper, but if you think Phil Taylor is as Julio Jones, you are 100% wrong. Julio Jones is a top 10 NFL receiver and Phil Taylor is an average starter who's so fat and out of shape he failed his physical for training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opal312 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Maybe the Paul Brown curse is true. Different coaches, starting quarterbacks, poor draft decisions, hasn't stopped the Haslam regime from jumping on the losing bandwagon. There was a Ray of Hope when they traded Trent Richardson for a first round pick. But alas; this is Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think the title of this post could of been better thought out.... Disagree... It's as fully thought thru as any of his posts... and actually more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenew23 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Just stop it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevfan4life Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Taylor has been a beast for us what on earth are you thinking? I will agree though that year I wanted Watt bad. We were running a 4-3 and he was a beast 43 DE at Wisconsin. I was really surprised how well he adapted to the 5 tech 3-4 spot. Just imagine if we had gotten him and lined him up at the 43 DE coupled with our current d line minus Taylor, obviously. I think with him and Sheard we would still be running the 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Disagree... It's as fully thought thru as any of his posts... and actually more than most. You contribute absolutely nothing but dry empty critiques to this board. You are sound like an over-philosophical douche. We have 6 first round picks and not a single one is a good starter you buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gipper Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Gosh....I could have married Jennifer Anniston Gosh...I could have married Teri Hatcher Gosh...I could have married....any hot chick you can think of. Gosh...If I had only picked the right 6 numbers in the lottery instead of the 6 I did pick. Gosh....if your life is so bad, and if you are a Buddhist, just jump off the 480 Bridge and hit restart. Otherwise....quit whining like a baby. It is pathetic. Think about what the Browns can do to improve from this point forward, not about what they coulda done years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Gosh....I could have married Jennifer Anniston Gosh...I could have married Teri Hatcher Gosh...I could have married....any hot chick you can think of. Gosh...If I had only picked the right 6 numbers in the lottery instead of the 6 I did pick. Gosh....if your life is so bad, and if you are a Buddhist, just jump off the 480 Bridge and hit restart. Otherwise....quit whining like a baby. It is pathetic. Think about what the Browns can do to improve from this point forward, not about what they coulda done years ago. Or perhaps you go back, re-evaluate your mistakes so you don't make them again in the future. Of course playing Monday morning QB is easy, but when you have 6 first round picks and haven't hit on one of them, that's whats pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 one of the biggest manziel ball huggers turns into the whiniest bitch on the board? who woulda thought? way to hold your onto your convictions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 You contribute absolutely nothing but dry empty critiques to this board. If true, which it is not, it would still mean I contribute something. And buffoon? Time to step up your game, son... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 one of the biggest manziel ball huggers turns into the whiniest bitch on the board? who woulda thought? way to hold your onto your convictions! Were losers. We are 0-2 in the division and in dead last. We still can't beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh. So sick and fucking tired of losing and dealing with "Oh chill out Moral Victory douchebag fucking pussies" Can't we just fucking burry these god damn teams for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns passed on AJ Hawk, Deangelo Williams, Vernon Davis 2007 Joe Thomas Browns passed on Darelle Revis, adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Patrick Willis 2008 No pick 2009 Alex Mack Browns passed on Clay Mathews, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin 2010 Joe Haden Browns passed on Earl Thomas, Maurice Pouncey, Demaryious Thomas the only one we blew on your list was the kam wimberly 2006. all the rest i'd say we made the right choices. how can you question thomas, mack or haden? (unless you're joking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 I'll say this. Mike Holmgren the meat titted zilch set us back a good 5 years. What a shitty draft guy that wouldn't let Heckert do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calfoxwc Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 But they aren't here any damn more. Give it a rest, it's history and it's over. Good freakin gravy, stop the bitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 2006 Kamerion Wimbley Browns passed on AJ Hawk, Deangelo Williams, Vernon Davis 2007 Joe Thomas Browns passed on Darelle Revis, adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Patrick Willis 2008 No pick 2009 Alex Mack Browns passed on Clay Mathews, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin 2010 Joe Haden Browns passed on Earl Thomas, Maurice Pouncey, Demaryious Thomas Don't just start rattling off names if you think no one is going to check up on you. RE: 2006, first off, Hawk and Davis were already off the board when the Browns drafted- or did your ESP tell you to trade up to get one of them too? Secondly, the Browns very unwisely traded with the Ravens allowing them to take Haloti Ngata.BTW- at the time that was considered a reach by the Ravens to take a NT that high. Ooh- you forgot about Cromartie and Tamba Hali- who were on the board. 2007 You can bite me regarding Joe Thomas. A multi time Pro Bowl LT trumps anyone else on that list. Peterson missed time with a blown out knee, may be spending more time in jail, and the Vikings haven't been to the Super Bowl even with him. The humongous mistake was trading up to take "It's a sin if they draft Quinn". My quote from that draft. That little detail cost us Chris Johnson in 2008. 2009 Mack's been to the Pro Bowl, started every game, and the others have all missed significant time due to injury. BTW, Crabtree was off the board when the Browns drafted, Strike 2, your 20\20 hind sight seems to be off kilter. The little detail you seemed to miss was in the second round, the Browns took Mohammed Massivedrop instead of LeSean McCoy. 2010 Haden has been to the Pro Bowl, and it would have been twice if he hadn't gotten busted for alderal. Pouncey? Strike three pal. you think we were going to draft a center when we already had a Pro Bowl center on the roster? the only one we blew on your list was the kam wimberly 2006. all the rest i'd say we made the right choices. how can you question thomas, mack or haden? (unless you're joking). He needs to go to remedial draft history school, and learn himself up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Gosh....I could have married Jennifer Anniston Gosh...I could have married Teri Hatcher Gosh...I could have married....any hot chick you can think of. Gosh...If I had only picked the right 6 numbers in the lottery instead of the 6 I did pick. Gosh....if your life is so bad, and if you are a Buddhist, just jump off the 480 Bridge and hit restart. Otherwise....quit whining like a baby. It is pathetic. Think about what the Browns can do to improve from this point forward, not about what they coulda done years ago. Amen!!!! Nuff Said!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5150k9 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Don't just start rattling off names if you think no one is going to check up on you. RE: 2006, first off, Hawk and Davis were already off the board when the Browns drafted- or did your ESP tell you to trade up to get one of them too? Secondly, the Browns very unwisely traded with the Ravens allowing them to take Haloti Ngata.BTW- at the time that was considered a reach by the Ravens to take a NT that high. Ooh- you forgot about Cromartie and Tamba Hali- who were on the board. 2007 You can bite me regarding Joe Thomas. A multi time Pro Bowl LT trumps anyone else on that list. Peterson missed time with a blown out knee, may be spending more time in jail, and the Vikings haven't been to the Super Bowl even with him. The humongous mistake was trading up to take "It's a sin if they draft Quinn". My quote from that draft. That little detail cost us Chris Johnson in 2008. 2009 Mack's been to the Pro Bowl, started every game, and the others have all missed significant time due to injury. BTW, Crabtree was off the board when the Browns drafted, Strike 2, your 20\20 hind sight seems to be off kilter. The little detail you seemed to miss was in the second round, the Browns took Mohammed Massivedrop instead of LeSean McCoy. 2010 Haden has been to the Pro Bowl, and it would have been twice if he hadn't gotten busted for alderal. Pouncey? Strike three pal. you think we were going to draft a center when we already had a Pro Bowl center on the roster? He needs to go to remedial draft history school, and learn himself up. Someone just got "OWNED"!!! For christ sake, we all are Browns Fans. Yes, we have had a lot of let downs since 1999, but for God Sake can we stop bitching about the past, and look Forward. We are in the middle of every offensive stat this season, something we haven't seen in like forever. This team has a different attitude and I for 1 feel good. I don't post much, I love this site to read your takes and breakdowns. But, it does get old seeing the bitching about stuff that has happened in the past and no longer effects our beloved BROWNS. Sorry for the rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgpound101 Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Or perhaps you go back, re-evaluate your mistakes so you don't make them again in the future. Of course playing Monday morning QB is easy, but when you have 6 first round picks and haven't hit on one of them, that's whats pathetic. what the hell?. ok name me 6 first round draft picks that this regime has drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miktoxic Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 He needs to go to remedial draft history school, and learn himself up. the only reason i was not myself was under member info it says female so........... hey look so does walter's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoorta Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Someone just got "OWNED"!!! For christ sake, we all are Browns Fans. Yes, we have had a lot of let downs since 1999, but for God Sake can we stop bitching about the past, and look Forward. We are in the middle of every offensive stat this season, something we haven't seen in like forever. This team has a different attitude and I for 1 feel good. I don't post much, I love this site to read your takes and breakdowns. But, it does get old seeing the bitching about stuff that has happened in the past and no longer effects our beloved BROWNS. Sorry for the rant. The only reason I did that reply is it sort of got me honked off. There were so many "what ifs" in the original post- I can say with near certainty some of them had about as much chance of happening as Browns HQ getting hit by an asteroid draft day. Plus denigrating the very few really good picks the Browns managed to get right. Oh, you can drive yourself nuts playing the hindsight game- and I've been guilty of it myself, replying to posts as to why it's been virtually unabated suckage since 1999. I'll only name the screw up that hurts me the worst- I was all on board for this guy- and we passed him up. Wanted to play for the Browns too. He'll eventually make the HOF- his name is Ladanian Tomlinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 We are in the middle of every offensive stat this season, something we haven't seen in like forever. This team has a different attitude and I for 1 feel good. I don't post much, I love this site to read your takes and breakdowns. But, it does get old seeing the bitching about stuff that has happened in the past and no longer effects our beloved BROWNS. Sorry for the rant. 1. The only stat that matters is wins and losses and we blew 2 golden opportunities that good teams take advantage of. 2. Things of the past do effect us, such as awful drafts and trade down decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 1. The only stat that matters is wins and losses and we blew 2 golden opportunities that good teams take advantage of. 2. Things of the past do effect us, such as awful drafts and trade down decisions. 1. This was a three game stretch that represented the biggest test of the year for the team, one which many people - yourself included, if I remember rightly - had us losing, with JFF starting in Tennessee to rescue the season. As it stands, we've been in position to win every game, in spite of some shoddy secondary play, and we're at 1-2, looking at a very soft run of games with a very real chance of being 5-5 by the time we get our Pro-Bowl receiver back. You wouldn't have taken that at the start of the season? 2. Yes, past drafts hurt us. Nothing we can do about that now. This regime has something like 23 players on the roster that weren't here last year, including 12 rookies. Give the team time to grow, time to adjust to league in the case of the rookies and I'm sure we'll start to see the rewards. Bitonio is already there, Kirskey's looking like a very good find in the 3rd round, West and Crowell have been beasts. Manziel is sitting and learning, so basically gets a pass until a year or two down the line. The only one that hasn't lit up the league is Gilbert. 4/6 have hit the ground running. With Desir having always been a huge project, call it 4/5. Gilbert has been pretty bad so far, but 3 games in is ridiculously early to call him a bust, even for a Browns fan. Let's revisit at the end of the year, maybe next year. He apparently has exactly the skillset Pettine is looking for, Farmer was on board with it, and he's not the starter - hell, he only played something like 16% of snaps at the weekend. Assuming Pettine stays, I'm happy giving Gilbert a bit of time, and very happy for Farmer to have another crack at the draft with another 2 first rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterWhite Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 1. looking at a very soft run of games The Browns always play up or down to the competition. We never have "soft" or "easy" games. We blew the Ravens game on coaching and boneheaded moves. I will not believe in this team until they can start closing and prove themselves but you did make valid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gftChris Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 The Browns always play up or down to the competition. We never have "soft" or "easy" games. We blew the Ravens game on coaching and boneheaded moves. I will not believe in this team until they can start closing and prove themselves but you did make valid points. Does the saints game not count as being able to close a game out? Of course, we could be 3-0, but a couple of years ago this team would be 0-3, no questions. It's unfair to expect the team to be instantly able to close out every single close game, regardless of the opposition, but when you consider it's against two teams that have such a winning mentality - the type we're trying to build, it becomes at least a little more understandable. If we're failing to close out against Jacksonville, TB, and the like then there's more cause for concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canton Mike Posted September 26, 2014 Report Share Posted September 26, 2014 Does the saints game not count as being able to close a game out? Of course, we could be 3-0, but a couple of years ago this team would be 0-3, no questions. It's unfair to expect the team to be instantly able to close out every single close game, regardless of the opposition, but when you consider it's against two teams that have such a winning mentality - the type we're trying to build, it becomes at least a little more understandable. If we're failing to close out against Jacksonville, TB, and the like then there's more cause for concern. Well said! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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